posted October 19, 2013 08:01 PM            

However, I think it's not that simple. Things seem great between you for now. I see you somewhat still in doubt and there's something bothering you about him or your relationship. I also think an ex is coming back to you. And that your bf has other admirers or people possibly influencing your relationship. Jupiter for instance is in his house, in his sign, totally wrapped around his finger and he also applies to her (and the reception is mutual). Venus in his 5th I also don't like, unless he has a kid. Otherwise it means he has affection for someone else. This could be his ex, because he is separating from her with a square but he's still exalted by her, while she is mostly indifferent.

posted October 20, 2013 12:39 AM            

Please correct me if I'm wrong but:

Saturn IS applying to the Moon in this chart. Saturn is at 11 degrees 39 minutes.
Moon is at 11 degrees 40 minutes.

That looks like the most solid "Yes" I've ever seen.

Saturn is the querant and she asked the question about marriage, a partner, both ruled by Moon.

Saturn (the querant) is applying to the Moon.

Before we start to read him through the chart, we should finish reading her. Jupiter in HER 7th house portends well for a happy and fortunate marriage, especially since Jupiter is highly exalted in the sign of Cancer. Moon has not yet trined Jupiter but it's a strong happy signal that it's moving closer. If he hasn't asked her already, it looks like it's going to happily happen soon.

Venus is in HER 11th House of "love received" and it's ruling her 5th house of romantic love/sexuality/giving love. Venus is also applying to the Moon via square.

Please feel free to share any rules I might be skipping or rules that you know that says Saturn is not applying to the Moon or that it doesn't count somehow.

posted October 20, 2013 04:57 AM            

At first sight, it looked like a solid yes to me too, until I noticed the aspect is separating. Significators separating in horary means NO. (not in the next 3-6 months because horary has that validity)

Normally, when I see an aspect that just started separating, I would think it has just happened. But since she is asking about the future, clearly it didn't. Like I said, maybe he bought the ring already and it's a done deal, aspect is separating.

posted October 21, 2013 05:58 PM            

Application & Separation. First, remember that an aspect is said to be made by the faster of two planets, to the slower. Thus, Mercury at 5°30'Aries is applying in sextile to to Jupiter at 9°20' Gemini. Mercury would not apply to the Moon, though, because the Moon is faster. The Moon, being the fasts planet, almost always applies to all the other planets. Exceptions to this rule occur in the case of retrograde planets. It is best to check an ephemeris to see when and if a planet is slowing down, especially if you typically use a computer to calculate charts (as I do). It is very possible that what appears as an applying aspect in the computer-generated aspectarian will not reach perfection.

Second, remember that applying aspects describe what is to come, while separating aspects describe what has already occurred. Lilly regarded an aspect as separating at 6 minutes of arc after is exact."

but see!!! http://mithras93.tripod.com/lessons/lesson4/lesson4.html

"it's because planets are not points but bodies in their own right"
http://books.google.com/books?id=pzaPpyZFzpEC&pg=PA74&lpg=PA74&dq=exact+trine+in+horary&source=bl&ots=7aBW1H_2oo&sig=1xBxnnuonOiXY2PaNVfw3dpuvoQ&hl=en&sa=X&ei=naRlUuzqIYW54AORoYHYD w&ved=0CD0Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=exact%20trine%20in%20horary&f=false

posted October 21, 2013 10:21 PM            

I would imagine that Lilly's 6' of arc being allowable makes a lot of sense. That minute, even with today's computers, is quite fuzzy - especially with Astrodienst. I respect them HIGHLY but I have to say there are times when cast my own chart and they have added and subtracted a minute from my Sun position many times. Without giving the degree of my Sun I can tell you that the minute is alternately given as 49' and 50'. It says 50' about 80% of the time, but when I go to the PDF lists for Synastry comparisons, etc. It ALWAYS says 49'. ALWAYS!

I learned a lot looking at this horary because it made me go looking for answers that I found on the internet, which has come a long way providing great information. I'm learning about "frustrations", "moishe" (joking) and all kinds of stuff.

Although I've been more accepting of the fact that the universe can be as brutal as it can be loving, I can't imagine that the minute difference in that chart would stop this marriage from happening. But I'm a mere mortal so...