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WhyMe
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posted September 21, 2014 04:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for WhyMe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi,

Would any experienced astrologers kindly be able to take a look at the chart of a child with significant developmental delays ? He is 5 years old and still not talking.

Please let me know if any of you is willing to take a look and I will post the chart up here.

Thanks in advance for your help / assistance. It is gratefully appreciated.

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libran_dream
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posted September 21, 2014 08:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for libran_dream     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just want to warn you in advance that health issues are not my specialty, but I can take a look at the chart for you. Maybe something I see there can be of help to you in some way.

Post it and add a bit of background info and what you'd like to see looked at, and I'll see if I can help you.

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WhyMe
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posted September 25, 2014 01:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for WhyMe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Libran_Dream, thank you so much for offering to help. I apologize for the delay in getting back, I had to ensure that I had the accurate time of birth.

This child is 5 years old with severe developmental delays. He is autistic and still not talking (not a word). Is he ever likely to talk ? Does the chart show normal intelligence ? Will he eventually have a job and live independently ? Thank you in advance for your time and reading. It is very gratefully appreciated.

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Diogenes
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posted September 25, 2014 04:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diogenes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This child is born in 2009 if I'm not mistaken, my nephew has the same chart except he is a Cancer. He also has speech delay but mainly because he is learning two languages at the same time. He talks but broken sentences. His Neptunes in bad aspect to his Mercury is what may be clouding his mind the way he communicates etc.. BUT he does have great harmonious aspects from saturn and uranus to his Mercury (makes easy for concentration and maybe gifted at numbers; math.) Are you taking him to therapy, learning sessions? What about emphasizing the use of numbers, autistic children can be exceptionally great at math. how is his attentions span? I would guess not good judging from his mercury and neptune aspect. I can't quite see well but I think he also has his 2nd house (sag) and 8th (gem) intercepted so those occupying planets in that house may not be expressing themselves like they should such as SUN (self ego, personality) and his MOON (the way he displays emotions or emotional state)You may need to come up with a more interesting way of teaching him, more unconventional and very creative. His chart shows it.

Since you mention he is autistic, does he make eye contact with you? doe she maintain it?

My two cents, hope this helps.

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MinceyMouse
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posted September 25, 2014 05:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MinceyMouse     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
not a chart thing, can you get him tested for autism- or autism spectrum disorder.

My cousin didn't speak until he was six, took a lot of speech therapy, special education ect to get to where he is right now.

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tphoenix5
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posted September 25, 2014 06:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tphoenix5     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He has his mercury in Taurus... at 24 degrees. The world feels so harsh. After Saturn is finished opposing his moon, he may be far more interested in communicating in the way you communicate. He is so young and this is a very harsh aspect. So, I would love him as much as possible and then give it some time.

I don't think we give mercury enough credit. It rules our environment. So, when we are out in the world... that is our environment... when we are at home... our environment. Its hard to have Saturn barreling down on that.

Give it some time and then the recipe for what to do will come to you.

T.

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WhyMe
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posted September 26, 2014 01:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for WhyMe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Diogenes:
This child is born in 2009 if I'm not mistaken, my nephew has the same chart except he is a Cancer. He also has speech delay but mainly because he is learning two languages at the same time. He talks but broken sentences. His Neptunes in bad aspect to his Mercury is what may be clouding his mind the way he communicates etc.. BUT he does have great harmonious aspects from saturn and uranus to his Mercury (makes easy for concentration and maybe gifted at numbers; math.) Are you taking him to therapy, learning sessions? What about emphasizing the use of numbers, autistic children can be exceptionally great at math. how is his attentions span? I would guess not good judging from his mercury and neptune aspect. I can't quite see well but I think he also has his 2nd house (sag) and 8th (gem) intercepted so those occupying planets in that house may not be expressing themselves like they should such as SUN (self ego, personality) and his MOON (the way he displays emotions or emotional state)You may need to come up with a more interesting way of teaching him, more unconventional and very creative. His chart shows it.

Since you mention he is autistic, does he make eye contact with you? doe she maintain it?

My two cents, hope this helps.


Hi Diogenes,

Thank you so much for the response. Yes, he was born in 2009 and turned 5 a few months ago. His eye contact used to be really good, then it sort of faded, but it is returning now. The family works very very hard with him and he gets a lot of 1-on-1 teaching but progress has been really slow. Mainly he has no real communication and cannot tell people when he is in ill or in pain etc. He communicates hunger by raiding the fridge. He loves loves loves music and it calms him down. He has severe attention and motivation issues which are probably the main culprits in his slow development. If he can pay attention and be motivated to learn, he probably would have been talking / communicating by now.

BTW, I am a little confused since you said that he has harmonious aspects between Mercury and his Saturn / Uranus but Phoenix mentions a tough Saturn / Moon opposition ? Did I misunderstand ? Would you help me understand this please ? We don't know yet about his talent for mathematics. He comes from a long line of engineers and mathematicians, so it's possible that he is talented, but the progress is so slow that the parents just need hope, I guess.

Do you there is hope in this chart ? When do you think the bad Mercury - Neptune aspect is likely to resolve ? Thank again !

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posted September 26, 2014 01:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for WhyMe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by tphoenix5:
He has his mercury in Taurus... at 24 degrees. The world feels so harsh. After Saturn is finished opposing his moon, he may be far more interested in communicating in the way you communicate. He is so young and this is a very harsh aspect. So, I would love him as much as possible and then give it some time.

I don't think we give mercury enough credit. It rules our environment. So, when we are out in the world... that is our environment... when we are at home... our environment. Its hard to have Saturn barreling down on that.

Give it some time and then the recipe for what to do will come to you.

T.


Phoenix, thank you so much for the great gift of hope. The mother no longer works outside the house - she is committed to helping her son succeed (to the extent possible for him). In his natal chart, he has a Moon - Saturn square, but not an opposition. But, the progressed chart for today shows an opposition ! Is this what you meant ? If so, do you believe that his communication challenges will resolve when the Moon progresses out of the opposition ? Do we need to look at progressed charts to arrive at a time-frame when his challenges with communication (or lack thereof) will start to resolve ? I can post a progressed chart if you will have the time to interpret it and share your thoughts with us.

This child is very, very, very deeply loved. I think the parents now understand how critical it is to build his self-esteem even though he has severe developmental delays and probably more like a 2 year old than a 5 year old. I would just like some advise on when you believe his problems will begin abating even a little bit ? I vaguely remember from his progressed chart that he has a progressed New Moon around his 16th birthday. Can I post his progressed charts here ? The charts of what ages should I look for / post here ?

Thanks again for any help / advice you can give me.

BTW, Mincey Mouse, he already has a diagnosis of severe autism. Thank you for sharing about cousin - hope is sweet !

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tphoenix5
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posted September 26, 2014 05:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tphoenix5     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No,

No need. I get that he has come in with some fast track karma to deal with. He is here to heal mom and dad from many lifetimes of pain. You see mom and dad have to communicate for him, with each other, and with the world for him...I really see that ... he will begin to communicate more when mom and dad get it. I have no clue what IT is. I feel this deeply. I will ask a dear friend who is much more intune to this and has grands this age about it. But for her grand child this same age... he had a hearing issue. He did not talk and when he did communicate it was all garbled. They had his hearing tested and then got him some kind of surgery for his issue and he is catching up. This child feels as though he is trapped in a binding and cannot get free. The problem we all have it trying to free a beautiful soul like this. Sometimes it is better to let them have this time of adjustment. If you could just post birth information... I will run my own charts. My vision is not the best and I am used to seeing the charts in my program which is why I got this one so wrong. Again, I will speak to a couple others that have kept up while I was out nerding about...
And we will see.

T.

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libran_dream
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posted September 26, 2014 05:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for libran_dream     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He has a harsh Sun-Saturn-Moon T-square. That would, astrologically, explain some of his closed personality. To resolve this T-square, he needs Pisces energy from his environment - creativity, caring, compassion etc.
Does anyone in the family have something at around 15PIS?

His H8 Sun and H11 Saturn tell us he will never be a very open individual, he lives a lot of his life inside and will likely struggle to develop the kind of carefree attitude and personality to make lots of friends.
His Mercury is in H7, so he would like to communicate, but with a Neptune, Chiron and Jupiter square, it will just not come out clearly. My guess is that in his mind, his thoughts are very grand, wise and creative, but he gets frustrated with not being able to convey them to others. This is a frustration that will be with him all his life, and is a major lesson to learn in his life.
Creativity is the outlet here. Introducing him to art - to various fields - trying workshops, or private lessons, or tutoring. Not only painting, but sculpture, instruments, poetry... I think poetry would actually be a good choice for this little man. Maybe he and mom can work on writing one poem a day? Have like a beautiful journal/book of poetry for him that they can work on? Even if it's just 2 verses of nonsense at first, if they work at it every day, it will improve his verbal self-expression. If he likes music, maybe they can write little songs.

Something that also might relax him are daytrips to nature, maybe visiting national parks, trails, zoos... A feeling of freedom in nature will help him feel secure.

One issue that I see here is the issue of his independence. With Mars on his DC, he might be prone to not trusting himself and following other people's lead when it comes to his own decisions all his life.

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Diogenes
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posted September 27, 2014 05:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diogenes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by WhyMe:
Hi Diogenes,

Thank you so much for the response. Yes, he was born in 2009 and turned 5 a few months ago. His eye contact used to be really good, then it sort of faded, but it is returning now. The family works very very hard with him and he gets a lot of 1-on-1 teaching but progress has been really slow. Mainly he has no real communication and cannot tell people when he is in ill or in pain etc. He communicates hunger by raiding the fridge. He loves loves loves music and it calms him down. He has severe attention and motivation issues which are probably the main culprits in his slow development. If he can pay attention and be motivated to learn, he probably would have been talking / communicating by now.

BTW, I am a little confused since you said that he has harmonious aspects between Mercury and his Saturn / Uranus but Phoenix mentions a tough Saturn / Moon opposition ? Did I misunderstand ? Would you help me understand this please ? We don't know yet about his talent for mathematics. He comes from a long line of engineers and mathematicians, so it's possible that he is talented, but the progress is so slow that the parents just need hope, I guess.

Do you there is hope in this chart ? When do you think the bad Mercury - Neptune aspect is likely to resolve ? Thank again !



Will reply to you when I'm a bit more awake, Whyme

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WhyMe
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posted September 30, 2014 03:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for WhyMe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Diogenes ... Hello !!!

Bump !!!

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WhyMe
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posted October 05, 2014 04:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for WhyMe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bump !!!! Help !!!!

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Diogenes
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posted October 09, 2014 02:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diogenes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello,

I'm back, we had a loss in our family and everything has been really off balance.

Anywho, yes saturn does make harmonious aspects that support the sciences and maths field. However like Phoenix said Saturn does make a square aspect to his moon, therefore restricting how he display emotions or really toning down to seriousness in the way he displays his emotions. In other words he may have difficulty displaying emotions.

And lastly, I have a friend who's son is autistic, they recommended this type of therapy- Oxford Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy. I don't know if they have mentioned it to you but she says it has helped some as far as getting him to be more alert and improving his attention span. She also suggested a sugar free gluten free diet as I believe autistic children can be quite hyper when having sugar.As well as introducing him to tech gadgets for example- ipad, handheld gaming systems, interactive/electronic puzzles.

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tphoenix5
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posted October 09, 2014 08:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tphoenix5     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gluten and sugar free. Also less stimuli is better. A very controlled environment is the best. It is hard to have a controlled environment but they process things in a totally different way. We think in terms of OUR brain activity. I have cared for autistic children. It was difficult for me because children usually love me and I am a big ole mess around children. With autistic children you must tread lightly. Once Saturn finishes its aspect with the moon, you will start to get a better feel for what he is going thru. Diogenes is quite right. Diet is essential from my own study .....

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