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MiaPluto
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posted September 28, 2014 07:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MiaPluto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah. That's my question.

Ask yours.

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posted September 29, 2014 05:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MiaPluto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No one?!

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posted September 29, 2014 05:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MinceyMouse     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
cards give me a 'hell no'.

page of swords
viii of swords, rx
judgement, rx

you're just going to be stabbed, knifed ect in the back and front.

Happy?

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posted September 29, 2014 07:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for intuitivefish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No I do not see this being the career that would be good for you. I feel that you are not focused enough to endure the fashion buisness. My feeling is that you would have to have a few more short term jobs to toughen up and to even know what it is you would give your all to. The career for you will be the one you would be willing to start from bottom. I feel you are not yet ready for the tough hard work but will be once you give other 9-17 jobs a try.

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posted September 29, 2014 10:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for libran_dream     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I won't read for you, because I don't need cards to answer this. I don't need a reading, just giving you friendly advice.
I worked in the fashion industry. I'm doing other things now, but I'll be going back next year. I know the industry inside and out.

There are two basic things you need to be a good designer, aka, make it in the industry at least a few years before your first complete nervous breakdown.
One is flawless taste, but with your own twist (astrologically, a strong Venus. very strong). The other is thick skin. If you're sensitive to criticism, forget it right now. How are you going to react when you put your heart and soul and days, maybe weeks, of hard work into something, and someone takes a 2 second look and tells you it's garbage? Because that will happen all the time.

The industry is crowded, flaky and insanely competitive. The technicalities of the craft take many years to get right, and a few dozen to perfect. And without a solid business sense, or a partner with a solid business sense that you can trust, you're scr**** anyway.
Have you ever watched Project Runway? The complete nervous breakdowns that people there have? The back-stabbing, anxiety attacks, tears... That's baby stuff. The real industry is much, much harsher than that. Let's just say that there's a reason why a huge percentage of creative directors are on something...

Astrologically, you need a very strong Venus, solid Mercury, good Saturn. Those are the basics. Add to that a very active Uranus, because you need it to stay ahead. Make the mistake of doing something that was in 3 seasons ago, or even accidentally copy a more famous designer, and you might not have the opportunity to work anymore.

It's a cruel business, and the competition is brutal. If you don't live and breathe fashion, have the vision, the confidence(to execute your vision no matter what), a good intuition about the market, the communication and people skills(because you work in large teams), the long hours and the pressure will make it very difficult to maintain your sanity. If you work on your own, you carry the entire financial burden of the company on your own back, if you work for someone else, when the products don't do well on the market, they'll blame you. You're between a rock and a hard place no matter how you turn it, basically.

So think about it very carefully. Having seen your chart, my suggestion would be a big no, for your own health.

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posted September 29, 2014 09:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MiaPluto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MinceyMouse:
cards give me a 'hell no'.

page of swords
viii of swords, rx
judgement, rx

you're just going to be stabbed, knifed ect in the back and front.

Happy?


wtf?

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posted September 29, 2014 09:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MiaPluto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok. I'll just ask with horary myself.

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posted September 30, 2014 02:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for intuitivefish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mia learn to be thankful to people who go out their way to you advice!!! I.e. Libra up there.
Just because you get a "no" doesnt mean you have to be ungrateful

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posted September 30, 2014 04:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ReeseC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by libran_dream:
I won't read for you, because I don't need cards to answer this. I don't need a reading, just giving you friendly advice.
I worked in the fashion industry. I'm doing other things now, but I'll be going back next year. I know the industry inside and out.

There are two basic things you need to be a good designer, aka, make it in the industry at least a few years before your first complete nervous breakdown.
One is flawless taste, but with your own twist (astrologically, a strong Venus. very strong). The other is thick skin. If you're sensitive to criticism, forget it right now. How are you going to react when you put your heart and soul and days, maybe weeks, of hard work into something, and someone takes a 2 second look and tells you it's garbage? Because that will happen all the time.

The industry is crowded, flaky and insanely competitive. The technicalities of the craft take many years to get right, and a few dozen to perfect. And without a solid business sense, or a partner with a solid business sense that you can trust, you're scr**** anyway.
Have you ever watched Project Runway? The complete nervous breakdowns that people there have? The back-stabbing, anxiety attacks, tears... That's baby stuff. The real industry is much, much harsher than that. Let's just say that there's a reason why a huge percentage of creative directors are on something...

Astrologically, you need a very strong Venus, solid Mercury, good Saturn. Those are the basics. Add to that a very active Uranus, because you need it to stay ahead. Make the mistake of doing something that was in 3 seasons ago, or even accidentally copy a more famous designer, and you might not have the opportunity to work anymore.

It's a cruel business, and the competition is brutal. If you don't live and breathe fashion, have the vision, the confidence(to execute your vision no matter what), a good intuition about the market, the communication and people skills(because you work in large teams), the long hours and the pressure will make it very difficult to maintain your sanity. If you work on your own, you carry the entire financial burden of the company on your own back, if you work for someone else, when the products don't do well on the market, they'll blame you. You're between a rock and a hard place no matter how you turn it, basically.

So think about it very carefully. Having seen your chart, my suggestion would be a big no, for your own health.


This right here was what I went to Central Saint Martins for, and why I left. Best fashion advice I have EVER read for fashion students. The industry is so crazy between the drugs, the prostitution, nepotism.....I have a chart meant for fashion, but I decided that I would rather keep my sanity than deal full time with that.

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posted September 30, 2014 04:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MineAgain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I too worked in the fashion industry for a while and unless you have a very thick skin, you're not going to last in such industry. People sabotage each other and steal each others' credit.

People treat each other like cr*p to get to the top. It is indeed a very competitive industry and people try their best to break you down so they can reach the top. These people tend to be ruthless and heartless.

If you're one of those people who tend to overreact to criticism, you're doomed from the start. You need to be calm, patient, practice indifference but speak up when you're being treated like cr*p.

I sense you don't take criticism really well so I would advise you against working in this industry.

I didn't work as a designer but as an assistant. However, people in this industry are fake and constantly bring each other down. It's a very judgmental industry where people don't hesitate to pick on your flaws to hurt you purposely.

A lot of people in this industry are insecure arrogants. If you can't take the heat, I'd advise you not to get in the kitchen. Impulsive and hot tempered people don't last in this industry. You need to learn how to control yourself and accept criticism otherwise all you'll be doing is fight with people (because they will throw rocks at you purposely).

It seems as though people in this industry have no conscience or moral standards. Superficiality is key. Either you fit in or you're out. If you're mentally fragile/unstable or heavily insecure, you're setting yourself up for some serious self-esteem and image damage.

Being talented counts, but unfortunately, if you want to be a designer, you have to have connections. Connections are essential. It's a very selective industry.

You're based in Canada so I can't judge the industry over there, but I worked in Paris and I'm never setting a foot there ever again. That was probably the worst year of my life professionally-wise.

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posted September 30, 2014 08:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mia's just being her typical 16 year old self as usual.

I don't understand getting annoyed at advice especially for something so mundane and fixed, it's not like they're giving you impersonal advice about a relationship or a person.

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posted September 30, 2014 07:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for peacefulclouds     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Because Mia rather believe in the stars.. fated occurences appeal to her more than any reality-based advices. It's a bit like, needing validation beyond 'mere mortal' deductions, therefore taking responsibilities away from her own hands.

She's lost, lonely and she's young. I can't fault her, but she needs to learn at her own pace that unless she's becoming self-aware, things wont change- even the stars wouldn't be much help.

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MiaPluto
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posted October 01, 2014 12:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MiaPluto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by intuitivefish:
Mia learn to be thankful to people who go out their way to you advice!!! I.e. Libra up there.
Just because you get a "no" doesnt mean you have to be ungrateful

intuitivefish, I never said anything to anyone. I don't know what you're talking about. What did I do this time?

And btw, a mercury/pluto up there, I would like to be honest with you. The last two times you gave me your intuitive reading they came out to be wrong. I don't know how to say this in a nice way sorry. I have nothing against you I just had to tell you because if I won't then no one else would and then you would live in the illusion that you are 'intuitive'. I'm sure you're a nice person tho and I repeat I'm not dissing you or anything. I just hope you can take honesty.

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posted October 01, 2014 12:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MiaPluto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm sorry everyone but it just makes me sad that you guys just judge me by what I wrote here, and then underestimate me a lot. So much so that you don't even feel the need to do a reading, you just tell me straight away that I wouldn't be able to do it.

@libran_dream, I am sorry about what happened with you and your experience at the fashion industry, but remember that was only YOUR experience. Mine can always be different. We live in different places, and if two schools, about a mile away from each other can have such different environments (because I've been to both of them) then a fashion industry in another country can probably also be different than the one you've been to.

I appreciate the time you took to reply. But I think what would be unrealistic for me, would be believing what you all say, giving up on my passion, and not taking a chance and opportunity that I could get here, in the real world to experience my own experience.

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posted October 01, 2014 12:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MiaPluto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
Mia's just being her typical 16 year old self as usual.

I don't understand getting annoyed at advice especially for something so mundane and fixed, it's not like they're giving you impersonal advice about a relationship or a person.


I'm not even going to reply to that.

That was just complete ignorance and discrimination of age. Remember that your 16 year old self, wasn't the same 16 year old person that I am. Don't assume all 16 year olds are the same.

And btw, I am 17 now.

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posted October 01, 2014 12:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MiaPluto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by peacefulclouds:
Because Mia rather believe in the stars.. fated occurences appeal to her more than any reality-based advices. It's a bit like, needing validation beyond 'mere mortal' deductions, therefore taking responsibilities away from her own hands.

She's lost, lonely and she's young. I can't fault her, but she needs to learn at her own pace that unless she's becoming self-aware, things wont change- even the stars wouldn't be much help.


Hahaha. This cracked me up a little.

It's just funny how you just speak with so much certainty as if you know me. No. You never knew me, don't know me and will never know me. Just remember that. Don't be excited so fast about being older so that you get a chance to now judge younger people.

We're not all like how you were once.

There are things that I've seen and experienced that you will never. There are things that I know that you will never.

Judging me for my age is so easy for you. And you make your own little group against me, since I am younger and you all can bully me for my age. And underestimate me, pretend to know me.

But all this drama only amuses me.

Go judge another 17 year old, and pretend you know them well.

But not me. Because in the first place, I was never like another 17 year olds, and will never be like all those of my age.

How can you know me, if my own family doesn't, my own classmates don't, my own teachers don't? They all failed to understand me.

And all those who did pretend to understand or help me, caused me mere annoyance. Just like right now. Again.

I am misunderstood. Not because I'm misunderstood, but because I am just not like others. And it's not something to be sad about. It's something to be proud about. Because I know why I am misunderstood. And the reason for it is good enough to not make me sad about it, but rather proud.

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posted October 01, 2014 01:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BellaFenice     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MiaPluto:
intuitivefish, I never said anything to anyone. I don't know what you're talking about. What did I do this time?

And btw, a mercury/pluto up there, I would like to be honest with you. The last two times you gave me your intuitive reading they came out to be wrong. I don't know how to say this in a nice way sorry. I have nothing against you I just had to tell you because if I won't then no one else would and then you would live in the illusion that you are 'intuitive'. I'm sure you're a nice person tho and I repeat I'm not dissing you or anything. I just hope you can take honesty.

Thanks. x


Intuitive, don't respond. I guess being an a-hole is synonymous with honesty now. I would like to be honest with you, drop the ego, you aren't special and you definitely do NOT know anything I don't. I don't know how to say this in a nice way, sorry. The rude and abrasive way you talk to people on here is getting old and totally unnecessary. She gave you two readings and instead of being grateful you criticize. If I didn't tell you Mia, then you would be living in an illusion that you are 'different' than everyone else. You're not.

What in the everloving he.ll are you looking for? People give you advice and you get angry. People give you a reading and you get annoyed. There's a reason I purposely ignore your threads in here.

Some posters in here gave their honest experiences about the fashion industry, and instead of asking insight questions to learn more and see what the best route is, you go off on a tangent about how special, otherwordly, and important the world should view you.

How are other people supposed to understand you if you don't even understand yourself? If you want a reading in here, be respectful and grateful for people's time, otherwise I recommend not posting. People will eventually, like myself, not want to read for you.

Its not an age thing either- Karka is your age but has 2x the maturity and character.

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posted October 01, 2014 01:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not judging you because of your age, I'm judging you because you act typically hostile [but you don't realize it] and naive for a person of your age.

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posted October 01, 2014 04:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LionFish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just from what I've seen of your personality here on LL, I don't think the fashion industry is right for you.

Constructive criticism, sometimes even degrading criticism, is a big part of being a fashion designer. And you handle both types poorly. If you were to take sketches of your ideas to a designer and they told you "Oh I'd like this if..." or even more likely "come back to me when you have something worth my time." Or even outright laughing at your ideas... blowing up and going off about how special you are would only make them laugh harder as they had you escorted out of their offices..

The fashion industry is full of cold-hearted egotistical a**holes, and while you have the ego part down pat, you are far too sensitive to deal.

Now here comes the "you don't know me how dare you think you do" yeah... I don't know you irl, but the way you respond to people who have on more than one occasion tried to ignore how rude and abrasive you are by still replying to you or giving you readings shows that you cannot handle being put under scrutiny. And god forbid somebody try to advise you in any way unless they sugar coat and say exactly what you want to hear. If you took a wedding dress sketch to Maggie Sottero and she told you she wasn't fond of it and you proceeded to blowup on her and tell her how little she knew about her area of expertise, I guarantee you would NEVER work in that part of fashion. And the same would happen for shoes, handbags, jeans, etc...

Do yourself a favor and learn to deal with that attitude of yours before your seesaw between "poor me" and "I know more than you ever will about everything" leaves you alone and penniless. Noone in the fashion industry would tolerate your temper tantrums long enough for you to get anywhere.

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posted October 01, 2014 05:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for peacefulclouds     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're unique Mia, just like everyone else.

A bit more serious response, even if you're bestowed a power or something amazing, your attitude will clash with the reality and your lack of self-awareness is just amazing to me.

Remember, no matter how great you think you are, someone else will be greater than you. That's why self-awareness is important, without that you will be stuck forever in your own circle of hatred and unable to see the bigger picture.


No one understands you? Because you don't want to be understood and unable to see beyond your victimised self and don't see the point in understanding others.

The very notion of being similar to anyone annoys you. Fair enough, perhaps you're beyond mere mortal and you don't have to prove anything to us, but if you want respect, treat others with respect since you're living with us mortals with our mortal rules

I have faith in 6 years you will look back and realize how ridiculous you are being right now, and i pray that day will come, so you can use whatever uniqueness you have for the higher good for yourself and others.

Right now, you're just purposely cultivating venom that will poison no one but yourself.

I know you wont even read this but at this point i'm just killing time

Good luck Mia, see you in 6 years.

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posted October 01, 2014 06:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MiaPluto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't want to be dragged down to your levels. No use arguing.

This site is full of fake people. So if intuitivefish have me two readings only by her 'intuitive powers' that turned out to be wrong all the way, I'm supposed to lie to her?

So you believe lying is better and lying is politeness?

That's why I'm not like you guys sorry. Why don't you just say you're just cowards to take truth?

I didn't mean to say I was unique. What I meant to say that, is that I had a different and strange childhood and growing up than others. You will never know because I don't talk to people anywhere about it for a reason. Did you know that there are many things about me I don't tell anyone? I'm not just what you think. So STOP assuming who I am. I haven't met anyone yet that went through the same as me. Ok? I talk to my psychologist about it, but I'm not telling you. And when I asked her, she said she wouldn't wish what I've been through on her greatest enemy.

You don't realize how dumb you all sound. You're the kind of fake old ladies who talk about nonsense and boring shot during little tea parties.

Not me.

If only you didn't know my age, maybe you would have considered my words or tried to understand but talking to you is like beating a dead horse. Just because you're older you can't stand the fact that someone's more intelligent than you.

You're all pathetic.

Do you really think that you would scare me to not follow my passion because you gave me your 'advice'? Hell no.

Don't know wtf it is but whenever I ask something here like everyone else, I get only advices, and only 1 reading that made no sense.

I don't see anyone else getting advices.

If you're so keen on preaching with your useless advices, go do that in other forums. I believe I posted my question on 'personal readings' page not 'personal ADVICE' page.

I never asked for your advices. They don't help me. But you give me anyways and when I tell you I don't need them, you say that I'm ungrateful? Lololololol.

I bet you could face the harshness of the industry, right? But you can't even face a simple truth! Ha. Maybe that's why you didn't last.

Don't tell me what to do, when you don't even know me. Because if I could survive through what I did then I can survive the little cute fashion industry.

I know someone who's in a fashion school, trying to be in the fashion industry. And he's always honest with me, and if there was something bad going on with him he would tell me. But I never heard complaints from him. He says he loves his job.

I'm not surprised why you guys may have found it extremely hard.

And btw, I wouldn't call your posts advice, but discouragement and underestimation.

No one does that even to someone in real life. But you do it to someone you don't even know over the internet.

If you think you're being 'honest' then I'm being honest too. If the truth is bitter, then it is.

I was being honest about something without assuming. I was being honest of the fact that intuitivefish's readings never worked. At least I wasn't judging her from the internet. I said something that was true.

But you tell me that it's not for me? Just because of the way I wrote here? Wow.

Do you find this post rude too? Too bad.

And I was never offended by your 'advices'. I never asked for them in the first place. You say I'm ungrateful that you give me something for free like an advice, but what if I said I don't even want it even if you pay me for it? Yeah. That's how much I don't need your 'advices'.

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posted October 01, 2014 06:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MinceyMouse     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Don't know wtf it is but whenever I ask something here like everyone else, I get only advices, and only 1 reading that made no sense."

Uh, it said 'no'. Now deal with it and don't cover it as a 'truth' that I can't handle feedback. I can, and I have in the past. What exactly was nonsensical about it?

Everyone has gone through tough times, and you saying that your clinician said she wouldn't wish it on others is not a benchmark of much. Most of us have our own demons to deal with whether it be mortality, physical and emotional abuse, addiction recovery, and health.

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posted October 01, 2014 06:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for intuitivefish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
1. Learn to use the word "advice" and "advices"

2. So I was wrong so what? I never claim to be the best I just give it my best, other saw what I said as good, and I was wrong for you so ignore what I said.
No reader on here can say they are always right. I really dont care if you find me right or wrong.
But when someone ( not only me ) other said the same thing to you, take time to even respond, it is nice to atleast say "thank you, I think you are wrong but, thank you "
and not go all crazy for "advices" as you call them.

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posted October 01, 2014 08:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Naaa we aren't fake, we're just tired of your drama and your ranting about how everyone's advice sucks and that everyone here is a liar and pessimistic.

I don't see how you're different from most 16-17 year olds, but whatever; only difference here is that you're more introverted, closed in to yourself, and have a slight interest in the metaphysical but that's not uncommon. Introversion does NOT equal intelligence, have you seen what most people post on the internet? It comes from introverts most of the time.


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posted October 01, 2014 09:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And she has the gall to call her astrology website a "professional page". Girl do you even see yourself?

You're so arrogant and you don't even realize it.

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