posted October 26, 2014 10:38 AM            

You are welcome to comment anything you'd like to - negative or positive or just some general observation.

I do have a specific question though.
It's a little lengthy. The general question is what causes me to have the following behavior.

With loved ones, people that I care deeply for. If they upset me, I don't like to fight with them. I would rather disapper, which I do. Sometimes it's simply my absence that I use as a form of punishment. I do genuinely feel a mixture of hurt/anger and yet coldness. I don't allow it to bother me. It's just kind of a matter of fact way of handling the situation but with MOST things I see no point in letting it haunt me.

On the other hand, if anyone has upset me AND that person becomes basically expendable. I may turn aggressive. Taunting, pursuing, attacking. (Nothing physical, I am not a physically violent person) It kind of reminds me of like a ferral cat. Creatures that would attack and kill for no other purpose than just just felt like it. (obviously I don't kill anyone, or even harm them in any way like that) But after a bit, it's just like a game almost.
It's also something that I could continue for months, or even years. I don't, because there are consequences, but I easily could.

Right off.... I spot a few things, but I only see things that point to an aggression, but I don't know what would allow it to continue pretty much indefinitely.
Also, during this time, anything that I'm labeled as, is almost like a challenge to me. Example, if they are calling me "crazy", then I'm like "fine, I'll show you crazy." That type of thing.

Anyway, I know this is a very negative side to me but I don't hide my negative sides. We all have them, and I don't at all think that it makes me a negative person.

But like I said, anything anyone wants to share, feel free.

posted October 26, 2014 12:19 PM            

I still kind of new to charts but I believe the aspect your referring to is the moon square mars.
I am going to copy & paste something I read about this aspect & tell me if it resonates

Moon square mars
These people can be precocious, animated, and passionate. They seek emotional excitement in their lives. Although they often project a brave and tough image, their skin isn't as thick as they'd have you believe. They tend to put up defenses due to their emotionally vulnerable and excitable disposition. Unrest is characteristic, as they are bored by routine and become easily frustrated when life is "too easy". There's a buzz of energy surrounding them, and they tend to meet with many conflicts in their lives. With the opposition, the conflict tends to be lived through relationships. The passions are quite raw, especially in youth.

posted October 26, 2014 01:32 PM            

EDIT: Moon sq Mars is my first guess too. I have the trine and I know I can be pretty.. reactionary. It doesn't help that mine are both in Fire lol. I fly off the handle easily. We have some pretty volatile emotions because of Mars. The part with loved ones and wanting to avoid confrontation is, most likely, Virgo Mars in the 12th.

posted October 26, 2014 01:47 PM            

Is your question here? In personal readings?
I'll have a look.

That aspect above all others, I know very very well! I'd be happy to help you out.

posted October 26, 2014 03:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
Haha, apparently I need your romantic advice, DF! lol I just posted about men with Venus in Virgo sq Neptune and you have it. lol

EDIT: Moon sq Mars is my first guess too. I have the trine and I know I can be pretty.. reactionary. It doesn't help that mine are both in Fire lol. I fly off the handle easily. We have some pretty volatile emotions because of Mars. The part with loved ones and wanting to avoid confrontation is, most likely, Virgo Mars in the 12th.

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posted October 26, 2014 03:57 PM            

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Originally posted by IntuitiveJ:
DM-
I have venus in virgo sq my neptune in sag too.
Not fun...

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I know.. Imagine trying to date you people - even harder! I'm sorry, I don't mean it to sound bad, but you give your love to the unworthy then when someone REAL comes along.. you're not so interested. It kinda sucks. BUT I've set my mind. The thread is in Astro 2.0, if you're interested (I asked about men who have it and became noncommittal).

posted October 27, 2014 04:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
I know.. Imagine trying to date you people - even harder! I'm sorry, I don't mean it to sound bad, but you give your love to the unworthy then when someone REAL comes along.. you're not so interested. It kinda sucks. BUT I've set my mind. The thread is in Astro 2.0, if you're interested (I asked about men who have it and became noncommittal).

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posted October 27, 2014 09:33 AM            

Personally, I'd try to do the first thing as much as you can. Just go away and let the aggression disperse. If the people you know understand that's how you deal with anger, then they know to let you be and that you'll come back when you're ready.

posted October 27, 2014 09:53 AM            

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
Mars in 12th. You hold in your aggression until it gets waaaay too much. Then it explodes. Conj Merc, your aggression then comes out verbally, your taunting and verbally (not physically) attacking. And then connect it to Jupiter and it expands the issue even more so. This expansion is of course both when things are good and when they go bad. So this can drag it out for a long long time.

Personally, I'd try to do the first thing as much as you can. Just go away and let the aggression disperse. If the people you know understand that's how you deal with anger, then they know to let you be and that you'll come back when you're ready.

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You hit it!
You described it well. Including that the person that I'm upset with should just leave me be. Don't even try to make amends until I'm ready.

Anyway, that answered a lot. I wasn't sure how mars 12th was. I couldn't grasp it and now that behavior also makes sense.

How do you see Mars conjunct asc from the 12th side?
How does it affect me and how others see me? Both personally and a "vibe"?

posted October 27, 2014 10:01 AM            

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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
I am sure that there is! I have no doubt about it. But like you said, and like DF also said, it takes awareness and maturity on the Venus-Neptune person in order to overcome it.. Which kinda means my hands are pretty tied here. I cannot force change on people, nor do I wish to. But I am a real person, I have a real interest in him which in the end might not mean much even though I think he was/is interested in me too. It p*sses me off a little. lol

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posted October 27, 2014 01:17 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
You hit it!
You described it well. Including that the person that I'm upset with should just leave me be. Don't even try to make amends until I'm ready.

Anyway, that answered a lot. I wasn't sure how mars 12th was. I couldn't grasp it and now that behavior also makes sense.

How do you see Mars conjunct asc from the 12th side?
How does it affect me and how others see me? Both personally and a "vibe"?

Thank you

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I have Mars and Venus in 12th too. But they are flipped Venus (Scorp) closer to the ASC, 12H and Mars are in Libra. I'll bet that that Pluto near your ASC and my Scorpio ASC also make us have the similar reactions. Probably contributes to your sort of "revenge" (I'll show you crazy) reaction and my ability to lash out and sting people. But it takes alooooot to get me there. Probably you as well.

I don't have the Jupiter connection so for me, when it's done, it's done. Either I get over it quickly or they are gone from my life so fast, where as for you it gets expanded and extended. I'll bet in the good times it helps you stay motived as well. My motivation is practically non-existant. Sigh.

And I'm also the same in that no one should come near me until I have calmed down. Nothing sets me off again like when someone wants to apologize or discuss things when I'm still seething.

But I think probably that Virgo as well as Libra Mars in 12th, and especially you with your Libra ASC probably come across as laid back, level headed and not very aggressive. So I think sometimes people get surprised when we explode.

posted October 27, 2014 02:28 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Very good!
Yes it makes sense now.
I wasn't sure if people could sense the Mars back there, must not because like you say. They are surprised and often very very afraid. Such that it annoys me because their fear seems irrational. I know that I'm just upset and nothing of a threat.

Gotta run but thank you so much for your help. It was great!

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posted October 27, 2014 03:35 PM            

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Originally posted by IntuitiveJ:

The funny thing about this is even tho I have this aspect in my chart- I'm in the same boat as you with the person I care deeply for.
He does not have this aspect in his chart.
My hands are tied as well...

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This love thing.. is so damn hard sometimes. It seems I will pretty soon be in the same boat at you, with the waiting for a reply, the on/off etc. Part of me says hell no, no way.. the other part feels there is something very precious to be gained ~eventually~ from this. I had a psychic reading - which I have not had in a few months (yay me!) and my reader warned me it will be very bumpy in the beginning and it might crush me if I stick my heart out, and that I should just play the field cool, let him come to me rather than chase him around.. and it will slowly grow into more, and more. Knowing me though, I don't know if I have the stamina to stick with it.. a day will come when I'll just throw my hands in the air and say f*ck it, I'm out. For some reason which escapes me at the moment, for him - right now - I would be willing to go the extra mile. But being 70% FIRE, nothing lasts too long with me. Btw, this is not the guy I asked about, lol. I think I will keep seeing that one, but I'll aim for just friends from now on.

So idk Intuitive.. I really don't know what to say here. It is ultimately our choice if we stay or go. Trust your instincts.

posted October 27, 2014 04:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
Sorry for hijacking the thread, DF

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No no no....
Absolutely no problem.

Some get a little peeved. I welcome all conversation.
My Gemini moon fully understands getting sidetracked.

posted October 27, 2014 05:01 PM            

The reader I was talking about - I actually had two lol; I wanted to read with Sandie Camara (I've recently been going through my transcripts and she saw some things that have recently happened that I never would have thought would be possible! So I really, really wanted to read with her but it was hard to catch her), but I had a shorter reading with Gia Clarity which is one of my favorites because man, she gives the most realistic advice out there. It's not always easy to hear it, but she was always right. Anyways, they both said the same thing - it's up to me if I can put up with him in these early stages (they referred mostly to his commitment-phobia and likely disappearing acts), but that if I do, he will open like a flower and let me in; they saw commitment possible in the future (which he swore off as I told you). I still take it with a grain of salt and allow my unpredictable nature some room, because I don't even know what I might do next! lol

posted October 27, 2014 05:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
This love thing.. is so damn hard sometimes. It seems I will pretty soon be in the same boat at you, with the waiting for a reply, the on/off etc. Part of me says hell no, no way.. the other part feels there is something very precious to be gained ~eventually~ from this. I had a psychic reading - which I have not had in a few months (yay me!) and my reader warned me it will be very bumpy in the beginning and it might crush me if I stick my heart out, and that I should just play the field cool, let him come to me rather than chase him around.. and it will slowly grow into more, and more. Knowing me though, I don't know if I have the stamina to stick with it.. a day will come when I'll just throw my hands in the air and say f*ck it, I'm out. For some reason which escapes me at the moment, for him - right now - I would be willing to go the extra mile. But being 70% FIRE, nothing lasts too long with me. Btw, this is not the guy I asked about, lol. I think I will keep seeing that one, but I'll aim for just friends from now on.

So idk Intuitive.. I really don't know what to say here. It is ultimately our choice if we stay or go. Trust your instincts.

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I knew I liked you!
Leo sun & aries moon here!
Right now the only choice (for me) is to let it be.
I'm done chasing & interestingly there's a new man who I've gone on a few dates with that's a great guy
The other one tho? It's plagued me for almost 2 years. That's a looooong time...
I'm tired....
I understand exactly where you're coming from.

posted October 27, 2014 05:36 PM            

Leo with Aries moon? Whoa

posted October 28, 2014 04:23 PM            

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Originally posted by IntuitiveJ:
I knew I liked you!
Leo sun & aries moon here!
Right now the only choice (for me) is to let it be.
I'm done chasing & interestingly there's a new man who I've gone on a few dates with that's a great guy
The other one tho? It's plagued me for almost 2 years. That's a looooong time...
I'm tired....
I understand exactly where you're coming from.

Sorry for the interrupt on your thread DF!

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Woohoo! No Leo here, but 3 Aries planets, 4 in Sag, including both luminaries also. In all 3 decanates, LOL so it's impossible to miss trining/conjuncting your planets, unless very, very early. Cap rising though (somehow manages to restrain all that Fire!)

I think that is a good call, also that you are seeing other people. So am I, and will continue to do so. You never know. And I'm never again putting all my eggs in a rotten basket.

Ohh yeah, Venus-Pluto. It's magnetic. I myself never experienced the conjunction, it would probably be too much for me! We have the square in composite though.