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Topic: Natal Chart Reading for a Failure
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BellaFenice Knowflake Posts: 1840 From: Pseudo-Leo with a 1st House Stellium Registered: Sep 2013
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posted October 26, 2014 09:25 PM
Would anyone be willing to read my natal chart so I can understand why I am a massive failure in love. It's not even a situation where I have horrible taste or get hurt constantly. Things just never work out period. I have none of the "unlucky" in love aspects, so it doesn't make sense.Its a very sensitive subject, so it took a lot for me to post this. I am willing to do as many tarot questions as needed. I'll post my chart when I get home.
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BellaFenice Knowflake Posts: 1840 From: Pseudo-Leo with a 1st House Stellium Registered: Sep 2013
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posted October 27, 2014 12:10 AM
Here is my chart. IP: Logged |
ReeseC Knowflake Posts: 404 From: Wherever the world takes me Registered: Jul 2013
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posted October 27, 2014 03:21 AM
Well, you have Venus in Aquarius which is often detached and flighty in relationships quincunx Chiron in Cancer which often has problems with feeling unloved and un-nurtured. The houses also point to an imbalance of providing for your needs vs the needs of others considering Chiron is loosely conjunct the DC in the 6th house of service. Plus your Chiron is retrograde. IP: Logged |
GoingDutch Knowflake Posts: 341 From: the ghetto Registered: Oct 2014
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posted October 27, 2014 04:30 AM
I am Pisces Sun, Gemini Moon, Aquarius Venus This Aquarius Venus, make me very detatch in love, I need freedom, I need space, I need independent, and I'm passive all the times.I have a guy chase me right now, and the more he chase me, the more I run away from him, despite the fact that I also like him too. I just can't handle him washing all his emotions and attention on me, it just too much for my taste. I don't know if the OP feel that way, but that is how I feel. Don't worry OP, my love life is also a failure, I feel ya. IP: Logged |
BellaFenice Knowflake Posts: 1840 From: Pseudo-Leo with a 1st House Stellium Registered: Sep 2013
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posted October 27, 2014 09:06 AM
quote: Originally posted by ReeseC: Well, you have Venus in Aquarius which is often detached and flighty in relationships quincunx Chiron in Cancer which often has problems with feeling unloved and un-nurtured. The houses also point to an imbalance of providing for your needs vs the needs of others considering Chiron is loosely conjunct the DC in the 6th house of service. Plus your Chiron is retrograde.
I never made that connection-yikes! That is very true about that imbalance, I feel like I give, give, and give to those I care about and don't get much in return. So basically with a Chiron retrograde I'm screwed? Yeah I can relate to what you are saying Dutch too. IP: Logged |
libran_dream Knowflake Posts: 558 From: Registered: Nov 2011
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posted October 27, 2014 09:14 AM
For one, both your H7 and Libra are empty. You probably don't put too much effort into making relationships work. There's just no energies working in the "relationship arena" of your life. Your focus is on other things.Then there's also the fact that you have Saturn/Neptune close to your AC in H1. That makes for someone who hopes for the best, but expects and visualizes the worst. With a trine to Mars, you want a high quality partner, and they usually fail to live up to your standards on some level. Also, your Shadow retro Chiron is on your BML, meaning you have a subconscious fear of truly entering into a relationship with all your heart and soul, and getting immensely hurt for it. You're very guarded, basically, that's why things don't work out. You, whether consciously or unconsciously, expect a lot, but are too afraid yourself to give a lot. So you hold back. I think you need someone who will truly fit into your life well and who you can trust without reservations. Superficial relationships will never work out for you, because you don't truly want that in your life. Your Shadow Ceres is right on your DC, that would probably explain your generosity. IP: Logged |
LucieLemonade Knowflake Posts: 1223 From: Registered: Sep 2013
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posted October 27, 2014 09:25 AM
quote: Originally posted by BellaFenice: So basically with a Chiron retrograde I'm screwed?
No. You are not screwed. I have Chiron retro and I'm not screwed. So... don't worry about it. There are just things you need to work on. Maybe not thinking of yourself are a failure just because things get difficult is a place to start. You have lots of potential. You just need to harness that and understand what you really want and what your good at, etc. Chiron in the 6th is about service (and giving) to others. But perhaps you have to learn to do that without expecting anything in return. I don't mean just give to selfish people who treat you badly. Maybe you need to do some volunteer work and give to those who are less fortunate and can't give back. Aquarius is also about giving to a group, service, etc. Having sun in your second maybe instead of volunteering maybe working in a job that "helps" is something to think about. Saturn in the first also makes you feel responsible for others. More giving themes. As for love, well, jupiter in the 5th will give you lots of opportunities, expansion, luck. Give love and you will get love. I know, it's easier to say than to do!
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BellaFenice Knowflake Posts: 1840 From: Pseudo-Leo with a 1st House Stellium Registered: Sep 2013
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posted October 27, 2014 11:59 PM
quote: For one, both your H7 and Libra are empty. You probably don't put too much effort into making relationships work. There's just no energies working in the "relationship arena" of your life. Your focus is on other things.
That is true, but whenever I am interested in someone either it doesn't work out or gets ridiculously complicated. quote: Then there's also the fact that you have Saturn/Neptune close to your AC in H1. That makes for someone who hopes for the best, but expects and visualizes the worst. With a trine to Mars, you want a high quality partner, and they usually fail to live up to your standards on some level.
This is spot on! I expect the worst based on the way I was treated when I was younger. I would elaborate on this, but it is way too personal for me to post. The way I see it is that I have limited time to date, so why should I just date anybody? I don't mean that in an arrogant way, but rather that you shouldn't settle for anything just to be in a relationship. quote: Also, your Shadow retro Chiron is on your BML, meaning you have a subconscious fear of truly entering into a relationship with all your heart and soul, and getting immensely hurt for it.
I agree with this. I take relationships seriously, so I never commit unless I feel it is something that has the potential to be special. Again, I've experienced a lot of pain and rejection, so it takes a lot for me to commit. quote: You're very guarded, basically, that's why things don't work out. You, whether consciously or unconsciously, expect a lot, but are too afraid yourself to give a lot. So you hold back
Somewhat disagree. I agree that I am a little guarded, but I do give a lot, in fact, too much. I have the tendency to give much of my time and energy to those I care about, and don't get the same in return. I guess it depends on what you mean by guarded because it implies that is my fault, which validates my feelings of failure. quote: I think you need someone who will truly fit into your life well and who you can trust without reservations. Superficial relationships will never work out for you, because you don't truly want that in your life. Your Shadow Ceres is right on your DC, that would probably explain your generosity
This is on too. I really envy people that can do superficial relationships sometimes, because it would be nice to not take everything so personally and seriously. Trusting someone though? Probably never.
quote: There are just things you need to work on. Maybe not thinking of yourself are a failure just because things get difficult is a place to start
To be fair, things have always been difficult.
quote: Chiron in the 6th is about service (and giving) to others. But perhaps you have to learn to do that without expecting anything in return. I don't mean just give to selfish people who treat you badly. Maybe you need to do some volunteer work and give to those who are less fortunate and can't give back.
I actually do work in a service position, part of my job is teaching. For whatever reason, people seem to really like me and think I do a great job. I want to clarify something though: I'm not the type of person who buys a gift for someone and expects something in return. I often don't expect anything in return, but over time it gets upsetting that I put more work in friendships and relationships than the other half. I agree on the volunteering, I enjoy it and try to do it as often as I can. quote: As for love, well, jupiter in the 5th will give you lots of opportunities, expansion, luck. Give love and you will get love.
The thing though is that Jupiter in 5th has done nothing for me. Period. I give out a lot of love and receive very little in return. My jupiter isn't afflicted, but it sure has a lot of squares, so its role in 5th has got to be really mitigated. Otherwise, I wouldn't be so unlucky. IP: Logged |
hannaramaa Moderator Posts: 8894 From: Registered: Nov 2011
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posted October 28, 2014 02:11 AM
I kind of read it like a horary, honestly. I don't care if my way isn't playing by "the rules." :P So. You have DSC in Cancer and Moon in the 2nd house, with Jupiter in your 5th that's squaring your Moon. That's one obstacle in maybe quantity of admirers to choose from. Jupiter is also in Taurus, and trining it's planet Venus. Maybe these guys take a long time or they want an open thing. Maybe you feel like you're never able to reign them in (or vice versa? Hey, energy works both ways.) Sun is also squaring Jupiter. Interesting... and Sun is also squaring Mars. LOL. From that I think they **** you off (and since Mars is in the 4th I would say they're not comfortable in some way or the relationship isn't comfortable rather. That's what I'm really referring to by 'they') I think Sun squaring Mars conflicts with your Moon trine Pluto. They would like you to back down but you can't and won't. Especially since Sun is squaring Pluto. (ETA: just looked and Mars is opposing Pluto. JEEZE. Either you change or the guys do after your relationship is over, didn't you say they get their stuff together after dating you?) So maybe Sun square Mars just points to crappy sex sometimes. I also feel like it's a lot of going in circles, lots of talking with not much getting off the ground. You have Moon in Pisces in the 2nd which is trining Mercury, Mercury is also trining Jupiter and conjunct Venus which make me think of positive feelings and expression but Venus is squaring Mars - not acting on that affection because of various reasons or there's always something in the way. IP: Logged |
BellaFenice Knowflake Posts: 1840 From: Pseudo-Leo with a 1st House Stellium Registered: Sep 2013
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posted October 28, 2014 08:48 PM
Hanna- that is really interesting, I didn't know you could treat it as a horary and make analyses.A lot of what you said was true. Things always fall apart, which is really frustrating. I would say there are probably some power struggles because I am not a wallflower or a 'yes dear' kind of person. I guess I just don't understand why it is always has to be so difficult and disappointing. The older I get, the more angry and resentful I become. I keep trying to stay positive but it is so defeating. I'm not desperate or looking for a ring, it just would be nice to meet someone I can establish something worthwhile with. Also:why did you tell me about Sun square Mars????? I can't deal with bad sex lol!
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hannaramaa Moderator Posts: 8894 From: Registered: Nov 2011
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posted October 29, 2014 12:37 AM
quote: Originally posted by BellaFenice: Hanna- that is really interesting, I didn't know you could treat it as a horary and make analyses.A lot of what you said was true. Things always fall apart, which is really frustrating. I would say there are probably some power struggles because I am a wallflower or a 'yes dear' kind of person.
You can't, or at least others will say you can't but .....they're not me. IP: Logged |
Dancing Maenad Moderator Posts: 2511 From: The Harvest Registered: Mar 2014
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posted October 29, 2014 04:26 AM
Ok, you are not a failure. Stop saying that. I should stop saying it too, as you know I have the same problem. And behold, there is some similarity. You have Cap rising like I do, with Cancer on DC. I won't insist on this dynamic, but I think by now people are sick and tired of hearing me complain about my Cap rising and the social freak it makes me. It is very hard to meet and interact with people on a close level. Then, when I do get close, I change to 180 and become Cancer-like. Uber-sensitive, emotional, needy. Ugh. No wonder people get confused. But anyways, that is not where I was aiming at. Notice your DC ruler is conjunct the NN. I have mine on SN - and it is conjunct Neptune, so quite a lot like your Pisces Moon conj NN, except.. a little different and in reverse - BUT the theme is the same. You also have Chiron on DC and I have Chiron on Venus, on IC. See where I am going with this? We're both prone to karmic relationships, tinged with hurt or healing, mine are more focused on clearing past karma while you need to learn how to relate properly, for the *future*. SN is a familiar ground, it comes easy to me, I feel very good when I am in a relationship, while my NN feels a bit.. challenging. It is out of my comfort zone. But it is where we will grow in life. I don't think you're a failure in love. You are very young still (unlike me, lol) and will have plenty of opportunities to practice and get better at it. I think around the age of 30 you will have a very significant relationship. I won't go on a limb and say he's the one, but he will be an important lesson for you (Solar Arc Venus will conjunct your NN). There are probably more hints but my mind is kind of scattered right now. ------------------ ~the raving one dancing in the nude~ IP: Logged |
BellaFenice Knowflake Posts: 1840 From: Pseudo-Leo with a 1st House Stellium Registered: Sep 2013
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posted October 29, 2014 08:38 PM
^See, that is the thing about Cap risers, we are always telling people to stop being so hard on themselves, yet we are ridiculously hard on ourselves. I don't really feel I struggle with social interactions, I make friends really easily. I struggle with the whole 'talking about your feelings thing,' that gives me nightmares! Yeah, I guess you could chalk it up to karma. I mean it has definitely helped me to become a better person, but it would be nice to catch a break once in a while. I don't think you are that old either (haven't seen your chart, but speculating you are 30 or older because women think automatically they are old once hitting '30.'). That is interesting about age 30 though, I'm not worried about soulmates and the 'one' right now. My standards are so low that a nice date is what I will settle for. Hopefully it is a more positive lesson, because all this negative karma is tiring. IP: Logged |
BellaFenice Knowflake Posts: 1840 From: Pseudo-Leo with a 1st House Stellium Registered: Sep 2013
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posted November 12, 2014 02:34 PM
Bump.So I got a reading that I wouldn't get married until my 40's- is this plausible given my chart? Also, is divorce a likely thing too? IDK, it seems like love is always going to be a depressing issue, IP: Logged |
juniperb Moderator Posts: 8608 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 14, 2014 01:57 PM
Bella, I don`t know the answer you seek in the moment but I know life is on your side It will happen when you least expect it and you will look back on your worries here with a smile. ------------------ Christian, Jew, Muslim, Shaman, Zoroastrian, stone, ground, mountain, river, each has a secret way of being with the Mystery, unique and not to be judged. Rumi IP: Logged |
Iced8Ace Knowflake Posts: 54 From: CA Registered: Aug 2014
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posted November 15, 2014 05:16 PM
Hi Bella,Don't listen to that astrologer, you could get married tomorrow if you wanted to. Astrology does not account for choice but attitudes. No matter what transits etc, you can choose to have a good day and in turn, blame the planets when you have a bad one. Your Venus is well aspected for the most part however it falls in a wideee stellium by house, where SATURN is the ruler. So Saturn expresses everything else in that house. That is why your Venus is suffering. Saturn is also chart ruler, very strong influence. How you identify (Cap asc conjunct its ruler, Saturn) is very serious, no b.s. with HIGH standards. You have a very hard time settling due to inner inhibitions, i.e self worth that you have to work on. So actively working on your Cap-Saturn-Uranus-Neptune issues will get Venus issues out into light, I think. A lot of karma there. Then you have Moon-Pluto, Mars-Sun, Mars-Pluto. Very demanding when it comes to sex and physical intimacy. There can be aggression or internalizing your aggression and instead drawing an aggressive partner. Having an outlet for these expressions besides your relationships can make for a more harmonious setting. I think with your ASC you just have to learn to be reasonable. See yourself for who you actually are rather than what you want to see. Give yourself some credit once in awhile. Balance excitement and responsibility. IP: Logged |
Dancing Maenad Moderator Posts: 2511 From: The Harvest Registered: Mar 2014
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posted November 16, 2014 01:20 PM
quote: Originally posted by BellaFenice: Bump.So I got a reading that I wouldn't get married until my 40's- is this plausible given my chart? Also, is divorce a likely thing too? IDK, it seems like love is always going to be a depressing issue,
I don't know who told you that, but I keep seeing 30 and 31 years of age being very significant, where romance is concerned. You will have Solar Arc Asc conj Venus at 30 and Solar Arc Venus conjunct NN and then at 31, conjunct Moon which is your DC ruler. It shouldn't be too long, just a few more years. But those 3 are MAJOR romantic indicators. Seriously, I hope you'll take advantage of that time period. It might start a little early depending on the speed of your p/SA Sun. So stay tuned once you hit 29. It sounds like you will meet him/fall in love at late 29/30 and marry at 31. That's my opinion. ------------------ ~the raving one dancing in the nude~ IP: Logged | |