posted October 28, 2015 08:37 PM            

Be prepared to give your complete birth data and answer some questions.

I cannot guarantee an answer here in this forum, but I will check this thread often and at least assess the rectification situation of your chart so that you can use the info and pursue it as you see fit.

posted October 29, 2015 07:07 AM            

I read your article on the rising signs yesterday.

I used to escape my birthtime many times .

posted October 29, 2015 10:37 PM            

Generally now I use a marriage date, if there is one, as my starting litmus test, looking for transits by Jupiter or slower moving planets that would be conjunct/opposite/square a potential Asc. This does not always work. Sometimes transits creating minor aspects with the Asc/DC are at work. When I've got some confirmation for a degree area I move to looking at the progressions and narrow it down from there.

If there is no marriage date, I use dates for the start of significant relationships, or moves of residence, or deaths of those close to you. I prefer to use as many life events as possible, but confirmation is sometimes accomplished with a few events.

Note that all this is only after the rising sign is certain.

posted October 30, 2015 10:28 PM            

pr♄☌prAC 2°37a is not an active progressed aspect, and taken by itself suggests that your Asc could be off by about 2*37'.

Same with the position of prog Saturn for your marriage.

This is not to assume that prog Saturn had to be aspecting your Asc or anything else on the date of your marriage, but orbs for active progressed aspects are 0*05 or less, depending on the planet.

When looking at progressions, if you are using astro.com, set the orbs at 9%. This will eliminate inactive aspects and clean up your aspectarian. It is best to choose a progressed & natal chart so that it shows both prog to prog, and prog to natal aspectarians. Progressions are symbolic movements of planets, not current planets in motion. Therefore the orbs to use are on an entirely different scale -- far tighter.

Transits are best limited to 5 degrees, so as to clear up clutter from inactive aspects. So if using astro.com set transit orbs at about 60%.

Natal aspect orbs don't translate to transits or progressions.

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The Declinations Guy

posted October 30, 2015 10:50 PM            

for your studies...

on the day of my marriage, the most exact transits were:
Transiting Nodes in exact to the minute square to my ASC/DSC
Transiting PLuto was in exact ( 0.06') sextille to my 7th house ruler

so, in regard to the angles - TR Nodes were the one who activated it. The rest of the transits were a bit off. For example TR Saturn was about 5 degree applying to conjunct my ASC, Transiting Jupiter was 4 degrees pass my ASc in sextille.

posted October 31, 2015 12:34 AM            

In transits a bigger move might look something like Uranus transiting opposite the Asc, plus an outer (Saturn...> ) in hard aspect to IC.

In progressions, very tight aspects involving the IC or 4th house factors. Again, for progressions, orbs are 0*05' or less. One of my clients last year had her prog Pluto in exact (0*00') aspect to natal IC when she moved into a new house she had purchased and fixed up real nice.

You may not find progressions this tight relating to the calculated points if you are using astro.com's charts, because they don't calculate them accurately enough to rely on. SolarFire, and other professional programs will do a better, accurate job.

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The Declinations Guy

posted October 31, 2015 12:51 AM            

There are built-in metrics or time ratios everywhere in astrology based on rotational dynamics related to planetary motion. For example, the sign of the zodiac appearing over the Asc changes every 2 hours on average. During that 2 hour average, the Sun moves an average of 0°05' in longitude. This means that in terms of movement over the Asc, if the progressed aspects you're seeing in a clean, clear aspectarian (as suggested above) are not within that range of exactness, then you cannot be certain you are even dealing with the right Asc sign starting place for your natal chart (or your calculation program is not accurate enough).

This is not arbitrary, the 0°05' orb, but is based on known, regular, faithful rotational dynamics and pretty consistent Solar movement.

Other ratios or metrics introduce themselves in the form of much slower outer planet movement. For example, you cannot include all progressed aspects by Pluto up to 0°05' from exact (five minutes arc), because it moves so slowly. That amount of movement could equate to literally months or years of time passage.

Pluto's orb in progressions of longitude aspects is certainly no more than 02', probably 01'. In declination, it certainly needs to be 01' max.

So we look at time ratios against the movement of signs over the Asc (earth rotation) to see if the progressed aspect creates a plausible confirmation, or if that progressed aspect's duration within the wider 05' orb allows too much natal rotation over the Asc.

I've seen Saturn progressions work within the 05' limit so long as other prog aspects happen simultaneous with that event. Uranus 03-04'. Neptune 03-04' max. Pluto 02' max in longitude, probably 01'.

These are for progressed aspects.

posted November 01, 2015 02:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
is Neptune in a tight conj to the IC in the progressed chart also relevant to a move/ relocation?

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It can be. If so, it would generally signal a situation like loss of home due to discovery of a misleading mortgage situation, or the desire to scale down/sacrifice luxuries or amenities for just what one needs; in rare circumstances maybe a temporary move into a shelter or monastic or otherwise religious environment. See? Situations that fit a Neptune symbolism related to 'home.'

posted November 01, 2015 02:33 PM            

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Originally posted by GeminiKarat:
I did add 13 minutes to my AC.
May I ask:
Do you take the place (=relocation) into account as well?

I was in a different place when my mother died.Marrige, house and the childbirth happened on a different place as well. I am talking about 218 miles, that is not much.

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I never relocate the coordinates of a birth chart to the place at which life events took place. Such events have no power to relocate or rearrange the astrological time/place imprint of your birth.

I don't use relocation charts -- red herrings that accomplish nothing.

posted November 01, 2015 02:36 PM            

Most importantly, which rising sign do you fit? Read descriptions of both on my rising signs page:
https://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/rising-signs-2/#scorpio

Also, I never make assumptions. It is possible you fit neither of these. If so, look back to Libra (or forward to Capricorn).

Also for a city as large as New Delhi, it is important to narrow down, as specifically as possible, where in that city you were born. http://itouchmap.com/latlong.html allows anyone to find the hospital or neighborhood by entering the address and city, or street(s) and city.

posted November 01, 2015 10:50 PM            

However, for those looking to tweak their own charts or needing some outside perspective on what it takes, this is why I started the thread.

posted November 01, 2015 11:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
sVirgo5:

Most importantly, which rising sign do you fit? Read descriptions of both on my rising signs page:
https://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/rising-signs-2/#scorpio

Also, I never make assumptions. It is possible you fit neither of these. If so, look back to Libra (or forward to Capricorn).

Also for a city as large as New Delhi, it is important to narrow down, as specifically as possible, where in that city you were born. http://itouchmap.com/latlong.html allows anyone to find the hospital or neighborhood by entering the address and city, or street(s) and city.

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Thanks for the itouchmap link- I found
latitude 28 39 32.6448
longitude 77 11 26.3106

I was born in New Delhi city in Delhi State near New Rohtak Road.
People say that I have more features like Sagittarius because of my welcome smile. I love my independence.

posted November 01, 2015 11:39 PM            

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Originally posted by sVirgo5:
Thanks for the itouchmap link- I found
latitude 28 39 32.6448
longitude 77 11 26.3106

I was born in New Delhi city in Delhi State near New Rohtak Road.
People say that I have more features like Sagittarius because of my welcome smile. I love my independence.
Waiting to understand more about myself.

Thanks for all help and efforts!

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posted November 02, 2015 04:18 PM            

If you look at your transits for the date of your marriage you will see Jupiter at 6 Capricorn and 23S14 declination. That indicates the possibility of an Asc in late Sagittarius about 20-25°. That would definitely put planets in the 9th house of foreign nations, relevant since you migrated out of the country of your birth.

I recommend you set your chart for 1:15 PM and work with it from there. You will notice that in mid-November 2000 Mars was right at the MC of this chart.

There is a chance for a chart set in early Sagittarius, since Pluto was at 12° Sagittarius Nov 2000, which would make a square to the IC/MC of an early Sagittarius rising chart, say +/-3° Sagittarius. That would be based on a time of about 11:40 AM. Jupiter 7 Gemini in Nov 2000, in transit opposite such an early Sag Asc is also pretty indicative.

Read descriptions of Moon conjunct Asc of the natal chart and see if they fit you pretty well - for a late Sagittarius chart. Read descriptions of Mars opposite Asc (because it would be contra-parallel an early Sag Asc).

posted November 08, 2015 09:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Generally now I use a marriage date, if there is one, as my starting litmus test, looking for transits by Jupiter or slower moving planets that would be conjunct/opposite/square a potential Asc. This does not always work. Sometimes transits creating minor aspects with the Asc/DC are at work. When I've got some confirmation for a degree area I move to looking at the progressions and narrow it down from there.

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I know I was born immediately after dinner, and my sister insists it was 6:45 pm.

That time gives me a 10 Leo ASC.

My husband's sun-Uranus conjunction is at 7 Leo, my father's moon at 6.55 Leo according to his birth record. I pushed my ASC back to 7 Leo and that is a highly functional ASC for me.

Tr Jupiter 8 Aries on my wedding day. My pr sun at 9 Aquarius then.

Is that enough to suggest my ASC is actually 8 or 9 Leo?

With a 7 Leo ASC:
- My IC is 26 Libra. My second son's sun is at 26 Libra, on his 24 Libra MC. My father's sun 24 Libra, his Mars 25 Libra. Composite sun with my husband 26 Libra.
- When my first son, a Sag, was born, tr Jupiter at 25 Aries. My pr IC for the day of his birth is 20 Scorpio, the same degrees as my NN.
- My pr ASC for the day my mother died is 20 Leo, square my NN. Tr Jupiter at 13 Leo square my 13 Scorpio pr IC.
- My pr ASC for the day my father died is 1 Virgo, trine 1 Taurus pr moon. No transiting planets hit them exactly. Tr Chiron at 8 Aquarius, tr Jupiter at 9 Sag that day. Tr Mars 23 Sag conjunct my 23 Sag Vertex.

I'm just not sure how to weigh these different circumstances against each other and figure out which one is most indicative of a birth time.

7-9 Leo all seems to fit my life, more or less.

Any advice on what to look at next, or what to zone in on?

Thank you