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myapie
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posted January 30, 2018 07:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for myapie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello,
one of my friends that i have been talking about finally contacted me.
This is the Virgo guy.
He will start his saturn return soon, next month.

I do not know if it is possible but i am very curious about his chart and saturn return period.
He has changed after some trip to Asia that he have been to 2 months ago with his friend.Now even his posts on facebook are different, more mature.

I do not know why but i feel heis becoming a different person.

I have had struggles with him since 2015 when we had an affair then he abandoned me for other girls, then he wanted to come back… I was immature as well as him, i had a big pride and a big ego. I couldnt forgive.
Now… After almost 3 years…

What happened? WHat person will he become?
Since 2015 he has become very party person, i couldnt believe. Before he was a normal, oridinary man. Then even drugs came into his life. He is an artist. Very creative.

He was a bit show off, since the end of the last year he has been calming down.

His chart is here.

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Thank you.

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Iridia
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posted January 31, 2018 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Iridia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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one of my friends that i have been talking about finally contacted me.

If this was your 1st post, then you couldn't have talked about it him here...?

Anyway...
Drugs? Easy to fall into for someone with a Moon-Neptune hard aspect. I'm wondering if it started for him in February 2015 when Neptune was transiting his IC (assuming the angles are very accurate).

Last November our Virgo's Sun received a trine from Pluto. I don't see soft aspects as transformative but Pluto might be an exception. After all, transformation is his forte. Then, Jupiter touched his Pluto, an important planet in this chart. The Ascendant ruler, 12th house, Scorpio. It could've been an amplification of the transformative quality which resulted in deep cleaning of the psyche, perhaps seemingly for now reason.

In December Saturn entered Capricorn and for someone with a luminary in this sign it was going to be a noticeable shift. The process of maturation was set off or sped up. It's >time< to focus on what's really important to him (and perhaps discover it first) or what really needs to be done, no matter how difficult the task may seem. To be more productive and lay foundations for the future. It's time to become Saturnized.

That same month Saturn came after his Uranus. The urge/necessity for getting his s... together quickly grew stronger. It's a meeting of instability with stability, disorder with order, crime with punishment. It may feel like anti-fun or a trap but Uranus better not underestimate his son. We know from mythology it would be a bad idea.

Since it's the 2nd house that is hosting both Saturns, we can expect increased efforts into achieving/maintaining a satisfying/stable financial situation. Into creating something he could feel proud of. Something that would put his 2nd house Moon worries at rest. Saving or investments might become his new obsession. Adopting more mature or more traditional personal values is another option. The Saturn-MC trine and his 10th house planets suggest his aspirations in general will be given more attention. For his sake I hope the hard work has begun for him or will soon because if not, Saturn on his Neptune is more likely to be a brutal reality check.

I hope you found this useful.


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myapie
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posted January 31, 2018 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for myapie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Iridia:
[QUOTE]one of my friends that i have been talking about finally contacted me.

If this was your 1st post, then you couldn't have talked about it him here...?

Anyway...
Drugs? Easy to fall into for someone with a Moon-Neptune hard aspect. I'm wondering if it started for him in February 2015 when Neptune was transiting his IC (assuming the angles are very accurate).

Last November our Virgo's Sun received a trine from Pluto. I don't see soft aspects as transformative but Pluto might be an exception. After all, transformation is his forte. Then, Jupiter touched his Pluto, an important planet in this chart. The Ascendant ruler, 12th house, Scorpio. It could've been an amplification of the transformative quality which resulted in deep cleaning of the psyche, perhaps seemingly for now reason.

In December Saturn entered Capricorn and for someone with a luminary in this sign it was going to be a noticeable shift. The process of maturation was set off or sped up. It's >time< to focus on what's really important to him (and perhaps discover it first) or what really needs to be done, no matter how difficult the task may seem. To be more productive and lay foundations for the future. It's time to become Saturnized.

That same month Saturn came after his Uranus. The urge/necessity for getting his s... together quickly grew stronger. It's a meeting of instability with stability, disorder with order, crime with punishment. It may feel like anti-fun or a trap but Uranus better not underestimate his son. We know from mythology it would be a bad idea.

Since it's the 2nd house that is hosting both Saturns, we can expect increased efforts into achieving/maintaining a satisfying/stable financial situation. Into creating something he could feel proud of. Something that would put his 2nd house Moon worries at rest. Saving or investments might become his new obsession. Adopting more mature or more traditional personal values is another option. The Saturn-MC trine and his 10th house planets suggest his aspirations in general will be given more attention. For his sake I hope the hard work has begun for him or will soon because if not, Saturn on his Neptune is more likely to be a brutal reality check.

I hope you found this useful.

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Thank you so much for the anwer. I wrote 'previous post' because in the past i had problems with logging in and writing the post. Once i thought i wrote something but as i can see it didnt appear. So it pushed me to write to admins.

But anyway. Thanks again for your observation. Now it gets more clear to me.
I know nothing ( probably) will be again between me and him. I just wanted to ask because i am very intuitive person. I actually 'felt' that he has changed. The way he talks, the way he writes even on facebook posts like essays about life, politics. Its more grown up.

Why did you assume it all started in February 2015? Before he was an oridinary man, many girls around. But the more time was passing by he was getting deeper into the dark. Everyone knew he was taking some light drugs, everyone was shocked.

First we met in 2014 when he was 'bright' had a girlfriend. Then we met again being single in February 2015 and since that time i knew, since one meeting i knew he was interested in me.
But there was some dark about him inside. Something that was pushing me on and off him. I was a bit scared of him but on the other hand i really liked him.

He started working very hard in the art business ( he is a musican), posing on facebook ( i dont know why- maybe to be more popualr), being very cocky ( dont know why he had changed). We have been together for a short period of time. I dont want to write about it but his female friends disturbed our relations, there have been toxic people involved, gossips and so one.
One of them claiming to be his best friend even started stalking me on social media, being too curious of my life. Automatically became my best friend who asks 10000 questions when we started dating.
But it didnt last long.
He preferred party girls.

Anyway time has come. Its been 2.5 years. We are still in fake facebook contact.

I was wondering why we met in that weird period of life. I also have a capricorn moon. and since december 2017 i felt more stable and calm, im getting my things done im more decisive.
This woman has a boyfriend but still has an eye on him.

I let this go, i want to be treated with respect and loyalty. I dont wanna have a boyfriend who confesses his female friend about our life- 'just because she asked him too'...

I got a big pride, i started focusing on my life, I am Aries. The way at the beginning i was feeling after the break up was very bad, after some time he started stalking me on parties, meetings, at my freelance work because i started gaining success in business.

When his friends including this toxic female realised i was not so bad, and i was worth and effort to talk to - they started gossiping about me, again wanting to be my friends, just to gain some information of me but pushing me away from him.


I stopped this mind game. I cut all the contacts, i even cut social media with him. I again started to be focused on myself. I was getting succesfull and i went abroad for 7 months. Everyone was talking about me, everyone was shaking hands with me that i did a good job.

Later on i cut the contact with tis female.
Some months after i realised she started to travel to the same places that i have been, started to listen to the same music, started to do anything to be attention seeker.

I completly let it go.


But i just was curious about his mental state because i felt something changed. And for me its for good.

Maybe you can take a glimpse at our synastry and tell the truth why it didnt work out?
Thank you

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I appreciate your post, thank you.


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Iridia
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posted January 31, 2018 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Iridia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm glad I could help. By the way, welcome and may you have lots of fun exploring astrology with us if you stay around.

quote:
The way he talks, the way he writes even on facebook posts like essays about life, politics.

Sounds like Jupiter is traveling through someone's 1st house (and it is!). When he enters Sagittarius...oh girl, get ready.

quote:
He started working so hard , posing on facebook, being very cocky.

Why do I hear Jupiter again?

quote:
Why did you assume it all started in February 2015?p

Because, like I said, Neptune probably touched his IC at that time. It's doesn't help that it's in Pisces. If he didn't go beyond marijuana and psychedelics, it could've been worse. But then, even these drugs can get out of control for some people.

I think it was a very good decision to get away from them and I hope eventually you won't be even curious enough to lurk on his FB.

quote:
I was wondering why we met in that weird period of life.

I have a simple, boring view: things happen and sometimes they teach you something important.

quote:
i want to be treated with respect and loyalty. I dont wanna have a boyfriend who confesses his female friend about our life- 'just because she asked him too'...

And maybe this was your lesson?

quote:
Maybe you can take a glimpse at our synastry and tell the truth why it didnt work out?

If you're looking for aspects and overlays to blame, I'm not the right person to ask. Look at my signature if you haven't. I could tell you the challenges I see, but it still wouldn't answer the WHY and you already know how the story unfolded so what's the point? Judging by your account of events, it was him who messed up which means it would be a better idea to study his natal and past transits in order to gain more insight, but there still would be nothing to point at and say "this *insert an aspect etc* must have ruined us!". Astrology is merely a reflection in my opinion. People have a dark side, people make mistakes, life can be tough and this will be reflected too. I could go on but I'll stop here, after all we're not in a "Iridia's speculations" topic.

Anyway, why not dive into your very own chart instead? Aren't you way more important than him and that joke of a relationship? I'm curious about your current transits in the context of your activation on this website. If you want me to take a look, I think it will be best if you make a new thread. In the name of moving on.

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myapie
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From: Lodz
Registered: May 2015

posted February 01, 2018 07:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for myapie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Iridia:
I'm glad I could help. By the way, welcome and may you have lots of fun exploring astrology with us if you stay around.

[QUOTE]The way he talks, the way he writes even on facebook posts like essays about life, politics.



Sounds like Jupiter is traveling through someone's 1st house (and it is!). When he enters Sagittarius...oh girl, get ready.

quote:
He started working so hard , posing on facebook, being very cocky.

Why do I hear Jupiter again?

quote:
Why did you assume it all started in February 2015?p

Because, like I said, Neptune probably touched his IC at that time. It's doesn't help that it's in Pisces. If he didn't go beyond marijuana and psychedelics, it could've been worse. But then, even these drugs can get out of control for some people.

I think it was a very good decision to get away from them and I hope eventually you won't be even curious enough to lurk on his FB.

quote:
I was wondering why we met in that weird period of life.

I have a simple, boring view: things happen and sometimes they teach you something important.

quote:
i want to be treated with respect and loyalty. I dont wanna have a boyfriend who confesses his female friend about our life- 'just because she asked him too'...

And maybe this was your lesson?

quote:
Maybe you can take a glimpse at our synastry and tell the truth why it didnt work out?

If you're looking for aspects and overlays to blame, I'm not the right person to ask. Look at my signature if you haven't. I could tell you the challenges I see, but it still wouldn't answer the WHY and you already know how the story unfolded so what's the point? Judging by your account of events, it was him who messed up which means it would be a better idea to study his natal and past transits in order to gain more insight, but there still would be nothing to point at and say "this *insert an aspect etc* must have ruined us!". Astrology is merely a reflection in my opinion. People have a dark side, people make mistakes, life can be tough and this will be reflected too. I could go on but I'll stop here, after all we're not in a "Iridia's speculations" topic.

Anyway, why not dive into your very own chart instead? Aren't you way more important than him and that joke of a relationship? I'm curious about your current transits in the context of your activation on this website. If you want me to take a look, I think it will be best if you make a new thread. In the name of moving on.

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thank you.
yea.
i liked his post two days ago because what he wrote was interesting. but i havent read or liked anything since 2015. i think it was 1st time in 2 years ahhaha its okey.

i know i analyse too much. and it doesnt mean anything.
the way i talk about it it was 2 years ago. and he already had 2-3 younger party girls.

i am stupid.
i think that inteligence, good presence and etc matters.
i think it doesnt.

the problem is that i am in a very hermetic company. i dont meet new people.
my studies are so different than his, he finised in 2014 then he was working meeting new people.
i study architecture and engineering, finishing now my master thesis.

for everyone diploma is nothing - for architects its something. i dont work since 4 months. because i only focus on this.
i am totally out of company, i got "aliened" because i work every day and i need to focus.

people dont understand. i know my time is passing by, people live their lives, friends have their new relationships.
i dont because i am sitting here doing my diploma.
they dont understand.
i want to have a good job, well made portfolio , be someone.
i wasted? studies 7 years , was involved in many many good international well known projects about architecture and i dont wanna waste it.
unfortunately architecture people are very critical and hermetic here.
i thought that when i started hanging out with other people, artists i would get to know new friends.

of course not.
i was getting the attention the girls from companies didnt have because itw as me who lived abroad, had many many competitions and so one.
but finally it turnes out men like easy girls who just party or just dont focus much on the intellectual part.

its sad. but thats why i am thinking of moving abroad.

its ok

i will post a thread about my chart .
thank you

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