posted August 06, 2019 08:04 AM            

Since we just got his BC and confirmed 100 percent accurate tob (his mother before we even got it gave us this time! Lol she vividly remembers giving birth and seeing the clock, it was a home birth). I figured I’d share for people interested in studying charts of people with personality disorders etc. This is the chart of a family member of mine, a true narcissist. People use that term too freely I feel when they just think someone is a jerk or just too full of themselves without knowing the clinical definition and traits etc. but this person is literally TEXTBOOK, almost every single trait undeniably. They are an ex con, been in and out of jail most of his life, a con-artist, drug dealer, master manipulator (VERY superficially charming/glib, very outgoing and friendly). I honestly don’t know if I’ve ever been somewhere with him in public without strangers around where he hasn’t initiated a convo, and made up lies on the spot to try impress or grab attention from the people around him. Will pull out stacks of money, talk super loudly etc. He literally puts on a show, it’s disturbing and impressive at the same time. He plays different characters depending on the person or people he’s trying impress and gain attention from. He NEEDS attention. I’ve never personally witnessed or known anyone like this. It’s quite disturbing and off-putting how fake he is and how people don’t seem to even realize... if they only knew lol. He’s VERY successful in his career, makes more than a doctor would, he’s very ambitious and LOVES money. But he lied and smooth talked his way into the job lol. Lacks empathy (abused animals, abused partners, doesn’t care how his actions or behaviours affect others, he likes making the people who work under him feel small and “stupid”, “incompetent” compared to him. Will try to embarrass them. He always has a need to feel like he’s “the boss” , in control, centre of attention and he likes being mean. He’s a bully, a racist/homophobe etc. Very unpleasant person 😩. Unfortunately he’s the boss at his company so he gets to do whatever he wants, just how he likes it. Grandiose sense of self off the charts (literally will say, and I quote, you guys the cringe is real 🤦‍♀️, again, I’ve never heard someone genuinely say and argue this with a straight face 😐 “I’m the smartest person you’ll ever meet (hasn’t even graduated lol), “I’m never wrong, I know everything”, “I’m perfect (mind you he’s obese, has a gambling addiction etc.) it’s truly fascinating how deluded narcs are. Totally out of touch with reality. I could go on and on but that’s just a few that really stand out to me. Curious what you guys see in the chart that makes him this way. I have a few of my own ideas I’ll share and hopefully we can expound on.

The more than normal amount of quincunxes is something that stands out to me (5), since it’s very uncommon and very time/degree sensitive (within 3).

His moon is intercepted (this in my studies ALWAYS shows someone with a low emotional IQ), someone can show only a couple or all these traits, it’s different case by case and I’m sure the sign, house, and aspects to the intercepted moon come into play with the severity.

Signs of low EI;

-They don’t understand their own feelings very well or others, out of touch with them, so they lack proper empathy/affect. Affect meaning stimuli doesn’t effect them like a person with a healthy or strong EI would. This means crying at sad movies, jumping during scary ones etc. If someone is hurt or upset, they don’t care that much. If a stranger falls in the street, they don’t go try help them or make sure they’re ok, they just keep walking.
-Inappropriate emotional responses to situations and difficulty dealing with negative emotions in others. This means crying, anger, sadness etc. makes them very uncomfortable. These types of people or parents will yell at you instead of comfort when you’re hurt and fall (inappropriate response), or when you cry they will again get angry and say something like “I’ll give you something to cry about”. They also can withdraw and “refuse to deal” with any tense situation and shut down or walk away. This is the bf who if you’re upset and show tears they get annoyed and/or easily overwhelmed and distance themselves. Displays of emotion makes these people uncomfortable. Both these extremes are different ways a low emotional IQ manifest.
-over-reacting, anger issues, temper tantrums, these people have a hard time regulating and controlling their own emotions and reactions, can go from zero to 100.
-can’t express their emotions in words, hard time explaining, making sense of them. Seem cold and detached, unexpressive.

He has only 1 single TRINE aspect in his chart. Idk if I’ve ever seen this before. Very strange. Poor integration in the personality? Since trines show an ease and positive feedback between the planets. Narcissistic personality disorder is based on a fundamental lack of boundaries/sense of self which is why they need constant attention, praise, and validation. I found this online awhile back and it seems very fitting and a good explanation.

“Lack of sense of self: As we said, the inflated ego actually comes for a lack of boundaries around their self, pushing them to morph and feed themselves of others. You need to have some strong challenging Neptune aspects to personal planets. This allows them to seduce, lie, trap others in their lies and projections; but it also represents their own trauma that lead them to develop this disorder, their own incapacity to define their self, their emptiness.”

posted August 06, 2019 08:44 AM            

True narcissistic personality disorder people look like a perfect human being on the outside. They are gracious, charming, people fall in love with them as they are master manipulators. They need to be a master of their games because they have to be believable and get people attached to them. Women fall madly in love with them and leave everything behind in order to be with them. Narcissistic personality disorder will slowly alter your mind and your reality bit you will not have a clue it's happening because you trust this person completely. Their game has three distinctive stages - idealization, devaluing (they start slowly chipping on your confidence and employ gaslighting and direct or indirect attack on your values), and discarding ( they get rid of you without any remourse and find another victim).

Many times true narcissist does not strive to be the center of attention in a public setting, groups or be lavished with recognition and compliments. What they want is the full submission and attention of their victim and having full control over their life, this is the true character of the narcissistic personality disorder. This can happen in a family dynamic very often, between a parent and child.

posted August 06, 2019 09:34 AM            

Also I’m confused because your argument against why you think he’s not one and what the true form of one is what I already described? You said “seems like the perfect human” yes. That’s what I was saying about putting on a show/front/performance all the time, he acts like the perfect person.

Btw. If you think Kim Kardashian is a narc. You’re wrong.
If anything Kayne is more suspect 😂 but he’s not. He’s too socially awkward and shy, he doesn’t have the strong charm and great verbal/social skills/manipulation that describes them. If she has any personality disorder, she fits “histrionic” the most. Not narcissism, because she very much has empathy, I don’t even watch their show but have seen short clips on YouTube where she’s the only one showing concern for others compared to her sisters and especially towards her mom. Sure she likes attention and has a big ego, but that’s totally different than narcissism. Seems you’ve read one to many articles on “relationships with narcissists” and not studied or read the actual DMV, because you’re focusing to much on only one facet of them. Which is in relationships. Which yes, he’s done those things too. But that’s not how a narcissist is diagnosed. Lots of people are terrible in relationships, are jerks and immature/selfish/manipulative and can do the things you described, but you can be all those things and NOT have narcissism. But the behaviour I’m talking about is very abnormal, and 100 percent a personality disorder, that falls under the name “ narcissist”.
What YOU described sounds more like psychopathy 👍 or a mixture of narcissism and something else. I’m just talking about narcissism here because that’s what he is.
Because narcs 10000 percent strive to be the centre of attention, and have an abnormal, excessive need for approval and compliments and validation to feed their huge ego and grandiose sense of self. And it’s pervasive. He’s been this way his whole life.

You bring up a relevant point about Venus conjunct Saturn yes it could show feeling unloved since Saturn blocks and restricts, but that’s not the way I see this aspect manifest usually which is why I didn’t mention it. I think it more so shows his limited capacity for love towards others; having Venus in detriment (Aries) PLUS the conjunction with Saturn blocking this even more. Which makes sense with the disregard and lack of respect towards others feelings (lack of empathy) which narcs display, the lack of appreciation & value directed towards others, which is what Venus rules, our ability to value, appreciate, and connect to others aka, love. His is damaged so it makes sense 👍. The inconjunctions to Pluto and Neptune is probably showing the deception, smoke and mirrors, putting on a show when it comes to relating to others and Pluto the control, and manipulation.
Also if anything that feeling unloved is more Chiron conjunct IC or in the 4th (childhood/upbringing/family) or hard aspect to the IC ruler. Since Chiron is our wounding/trauma, so a better Astro example I think for that more likely is IC/Chiron stuff or better yet, Chiron-venus.

posted August 06, 2019 11:14 AM            

Predictable and not surprising - after all you also believe and proclaim yourself to be a psychic, a medium, a clairvoyant, whatnot, while you have no such gifts, if any at all.
While i'm on that page, i have to add that your readings really suck and when you get the reading all wrong - you try to blame it on the other person by saying they are being delusional, liar, unaware, etc...or you just say you are tired and thats why the reading sucked. Or you try to fit your reading to the truth (after they tell you the truth). If you hit the right reading by a chance - it's because you guessed it, or because you have gone thru the person's old posts and read their history so you knew what to say. If they say you were wrong with the reading - you pull out their old post ( which you used to write your reading) and slap them with it. You ignore the fact people change, actually, or that they only disclosed portion of their whole story.
The truth is - you don't have any gifts.
Even though I am sure your self-proclamation is driven by your strong need to feel special in some way, you want that real bad.
There is your special gift there - having a very ugly personality and being immature above normal levels.

Ugh. I'm not addressing you anymore. You are so damn filty inside. A lot of people said that about you already, take a heed.

posted August 06, 2019 06:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
I already knew you'd be shouting that I was totally wrong while you know it all, so predictable...
blaming me for being ignorant while you didn't read or understand my post.

Predictable but not surprising - after all you also believe and proclaim yourself to be a psychic, a medium, a clairvoyant, whatnot, while you have no such gifts, if any at all.
While i'm on that page, i have to add that your readings really suck and when you get the reading all wrong - you try to blame it on the other person by saying they are being delusional, liar, unaware, etc...or you just say you are tired and thats why the reading sucked. Or you try to fit your reading to the truth (after they tell you the truth). If you hit the right reading by a chance - it's because you guessed it, or because you have gone thru the person's old posts and read their history so you knew what to say. If they say you were wrong with the reading - you pull out their old post ( which you used to write your reading) and slap them with it. You ignore the fact people change, actually, or that they only disclosed portion of their whole story.
The truth is - you don't have any gifts.
Even though I am sure your self-proclamation is driven by your strong need to feel special in some way, you want that real bad.
There is your special gift there - having a very ugly personality and being immature above normal levels.

Ugh. I'm not addressing you anymore. You are so damn filty inside

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Gee, yup, you’re right. What can I say. You figured it out. Good job detective lol. All just lucky guesses, damn if I’m that lucky then I should probably play the lottery hey lol
But to be serious. I don’t have to defend or explain nothing to you. But I will because there’s a lot of misinformation about how these things work. And since you’re very clearly ignorant about how spiritually works TOO and psychic gifts, you wouldn’t understand that it is VERY draining and being tired is a real barrier. It’s not an excuse, it’s the truth.
It’s also not a 100 percent accurate thing all the time either. We have free will and things are subject to change. And also, spirit is never wrong, just our interpretation as the psychic. WE can be wrong if our vibration isn’t where it needs to be when we try do a reading. This is subject to change. Meaning sometimes it’s good and sometimes it’s off.
So just because I misinterpret one person’s reading one time, doesn’t mean I’m “fake” and never right lol. The next day I could do 10 readings and get them all right. Very important to note. Very.
Just because you crashed your car, does that mean you didn’t know how to drive before and wont be able to after either? No.
As the psychic, we can misinterpret the symbolism since it’s not as clear as normal life, I don’t hear or see things like we normally would, intuitive hits are very subtle and fast and when I’m tired, this is 10 times more likely to be missed or confused with something else. That’s why I say it lol. Because it’s the truth. 🤷‍♀️
Of course I’ve been wrong, I’ll be the first to admit it. But I’ve also been correct more times than not, so.
And I’ve channeled things that clearly show it’s not just a lucky guess.

- i’ve described what people are wearing or drinking the moment I do their reading.
-I’ve had people’s ancestors come thru with their name, sign, appearance and energy etc.
-I’ve described both Jazabel and Caprikas ex partners appearance in detail, even got caprikas guy’s name, and signs in his chart. (No they didn’t say these things elsewhere prior either 👍 )
-spirit told me the name of a women who posted here’s daughters name which was an uncommon name, Amelia and her fav doll she always plays with Emma. Just lucky guesses tho right 🤷‍♀️
I could go on and on too

Lmao. But It’s amazing to me how you’ll spew tons of insults and say I have an ugly personality blah blah, all because I corrected your ignorance and didn’t agree with you 😐. Yikes. Yet, I’M the immature/ugly one. Strange. It’s not my fault you are very clearly ignorant (note I didn’t call you stupid before, if I wanted to insult you, I would have about the subject. Also notice how you didn’t have anything logically to say back to refute my points, because I’m right lol 🤦‍♀️. I don’t “think I know” I do, because I’ve read the actual DSM...just noticed my phone autocorrect to DMV before jeeze lol). So instead you went the petty, pathetic route (NOW I’m insulting you). Which is actually the only predictable thing here lol it’s what immature people hypersensitive to perceived criticism or attacks do. They lash out. Like a 7 year old.
You basically just threw an adult temper tantrum 😐.

Maybe work on your projection issues....since everything you accused and described me as “immature, filthy/ugly personality” you yourself just demonstrated VERY clearly, for all to see. You overreacted SO much, so you’re a good example of someone with a low EQ I explained above, so thank you for that

The others who don’t like me here is because I’m honest. I don’t sugarcoat things or tell you what you want to here, and if I know you’re wrong, like you were in your post, I’m not going to pretend to agree with it, spreading misinformation just to protect YOUR fragile ego? That’s silly. I have integrity. & I’m going to respect you enough to assume you’re a mature and well adjusted human you can handle that. If not, not my problem. You and the others don’t have to like me. 🤷‍♀️ That’s totally ok.
I’m not affected by the opinions of strangers who don’t even know me personally. Especially the ones who react the way you do with insults right away, shows your true character and lets me know immediately you’re toxic and not someone who i’d want to like me anyway 😐.

And maybe don’t comment on my threads if you don’t like me so much to begin with 🤷‍♀️. I’ve known you don’t like me for awhile lol 😆 obviously, I have to channel the person’s energy when I do readings, so I always know. Even when I did your last reading for you, I knew. But I’m not petty like you, so I did it anyway, because I’m a nice person. And you like to take advantage.

posted August 06, 2019 09:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Moonbeth:
Hey @Luna,
Not an expert and I don't really believe charts really show personality disorder, I think they encompass different factors and the chart alone isn't enough.
That said, my baby eyes would point to:
Chiron conjunct sun and Jupiter opposition Sun for a door to allow a personality disorder to creep in.
The former could be experienced as an overall wound to the ego, very difficult to deal with for a child (I actually think Chiron is good, after our conversation about my professional issues, I'm more determined than ever to carry on that way and integrate more "healing" into my occupation ) and if not provided with the proper parental guidance and love, I could see the person not reaching the healing side of Chiron and turning to abuse to ease the turmoil.
The latter seems to be something else, I feel hard aspects to Jupiter sound like a rejection of good omen and good fortunes in general in terms of refusing to accept the joys of life. It could be decisive IMHO in developing a personality disorder as it could imply the person refuses the potential for anything else than their own actions to benefit them. I imagine it could encourage megalomania and some form of denial, stubbornness...

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Great points Moonbeth !😊 thanks for sharing. & yes I agree it’s a bit of nature AND nurture, but just thought it would be fun and maybe interesting to study and see if we can spot potential indicators from an astrological perspective lol

posted August 13, 2019 03:50 PM            

Hope all is good in your world. Just re-read the posts and sometimes I think we are all thinking the same way about stuff, it's just our methods of communicating about stuff is different...like wavelengths, etc.