posted August 16, 2019 08:37 AM            

all the while I'm trying to keep my head up and stay strong, when I feel just so battered as of late.

I'm sure if you've been through tough times, you know the story...

I'm wondering if you guys could kindly check my chart, transits and maybe give me a clue as to what's going on? And what's possibly going to happen :\

And is anything GOOD going to happen?

I can look at my transits myself, but because of the state I am in, I find it hard to see anything better on the horizon >.<

I don't mind you saying whatever you see, even without cushioning or fluff. Life ain't all sunshine and daisies, I know that.
And hey, forewarned is forearmed, so if you see anything getting worse (yay..) well, better I know tbh...

I want to express my gratitude in advance, anything and everything could help, so don't hold back please <3 bad news or good news, I can take it.

posted August 16, 2019 09:53 AM            

FIRST, Let me wish you a Happy Birthday!! {{ }}

Sometimes birthdays have a way of throwing a spotlight on things, looking in hindsight, and facing unknown unplannable parts of the future we feel blind to.

Your first paragraph have keywords that belong to your Capricorn Transits right now.

For a while... you have had transits that have the energy of 'discouragement' that accompanies it. Sense of self-doubting.

You've made it through your Saturn Return now.. and in-time, you will know what that was all about for yourself. Sometimes it takes Time to real-ize what some very important passages in our lives really meant for us.

Capricorn... BIG warnings and notations about staying ethical and moral in your doings. (You're have Pluto and Saturn on top of your MC).

Remain on a GOOD path, and shun following the path of joining those with ruthless intentions. Always be CLEAR in yourself with what is ethically morally correct.. The Right Thing To Do. Strive not to deviate from that.. and you eventually will have your Rewards.

If you don't 'know yourself' and have a plan made for your future yet, then work on that. Do NOT take cheating shortcuts, wrong-shortcuts. It will bite you in the butt later if you did.

There may be some folks who might 'see' that you Do The Right Thing, and they will "try" to take you down for it. Do NOT be moved .. Stay the Right Course in life, the BEST you know how.

A Good Reputation WILL follow you. I promise. There WILL be people who see your Character, and 'rewards' come of that.

As far as your losses, and loss-awarenessess?

I think the whole world is "spooked" right now, with what's going on with leaderships and changes in the nations and with earth changes. We are having "Collective PTSD".. post traumatic stress, and acute stresses as things 'happen' beyond our ability to Control.

Please be Kind to your self, and be Mindful of others in trouble too--- WE can help each other.

I'll leave this for you, for now.
When/if I bump into good information, I'll pass that along.

Happy Birthday, Sweetie!!!!!
Keep your chin UP!!! There's always something Good.
That's the truth to explore and 'Find'.

Love you, Lalafortunaea.
We are so 'fortunaea' to have you here with us at LL.

ADD-- You have some really beautiful features to your chart!!
Look to your flowing Mars aspects.
Harness that. It's in a beautiful positive rectangle. Utilize it.

posted August 16, 2019 11:29 AM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:

Happy Birthday, Sweetie!!!!!
Keep your chin UP!!! There's always something Good.
That's the truth to explore and 'Find'.

Love you, Lalafortunaea.
We are so 'fortunaea' to have you here with us at LL.

ADD-- You have some really beautiful features to your chart!!
Look to your flowing Mars aspects.
Harness that. It's in a beautiful positive rectangle. Utilize it.

What have you chosen to go into, vocationally?

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Yeah, I should look to my mars. Thankfully it saves me a lot, and helps me feel more confident, even if... I don't feel it,
I at least can walk the walk.

And vocationally? interesting you mention that, as I'm getting back into music and singing.
But before, nothing really substantial. Just jobs here and there.

Thank you for your well wishes and inspiration. I'm hoping I feel so myself again eventually. Right now though,
just thinking of that plan to go out for dinner to celebrate my bithday leaves me feeling awful, simply because hearing anyone sing
"happy birthday" will make me die inside because there's nothing happy right now. It's all just so bleak seeming right now.

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Originally posted by Graham:

Your Saturn Return will have taken place around 06:55am on 30th November 2018. ... Please post that Saturn Return Chart on this thread, and confirm (if correct) that the Mars-Neptune trine in your natal chart became a Mars-Neptune conjunction in your Saturn Return Chart.

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Of course, here's the date of my SR:

posted August 16, 2019 12:18 PM            

Currently Tr Uranus is biquintile by just under a 2 degree orb your chart Ruler Venus actually so you can argue that Tr Uranus is activating all the planets involved in your Chart Ruler Tsquare.

posted August 16, 2019 12:46 PM            

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Of course, here's the date of my SR:

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I was hoping to see your stand-alone First Saturn Return Chart - which, at the place of birth, I think would have been at (or around) 06:55am local time on 30th November 2018.

[Think of the Saturn Return Chart as revealing your Saturn path for the next 30 years, in the way that the Solar Return reveals the Sun path for the next 12 months. ... When looked at in that light, the new house placements are a significant factor - which is not shown in the posted transits-to-natal chart of 30th November 2018.]

posted August 16, 2019 12:54 PM            

I should create an event chart for my saturn return then and analyze it. I think that is what you want from Lala right?

posted August 16, 2019 01:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:

I was hoping to see your stand-alone First Saturn Return Chart - which, at the place of birth, I think would have been at (or around) 06:55am local time on 30th November 2018.

[Think of the Saturn Return Chart as revealing your Saturn path for the next 30 years, in the way that the Solar Return reveals the Sun path for the next 12 months. ... When looked at in that light, the new house placements are a significant factor - which is not shown in the posted transits-to-natal chart of 30th November 2018.]

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Oh! Okay. So if I understand you correctly, as Hypa kindly said too, you mean an event chart of the DAY specifically, including my place of birth, yes? If not, I'm sorry!

Like this, yes? http://i.imgur.com/9ZAi9FY.jpg

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Interesting Graham!

I should create an event chart for my saturn return then and analyze it. I think that is what you want from Lala right?

Lala will things get better? Ofcourse, I don't need to look at transits for that, things always get better, nothing stays the same and any crisis in our life happen for good reason, it helps put our life back on track or teach us things that are important for our own personal growth, usually both. Everything happening right now is happening for a reason.

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As always, thanks for your feedback hypa. You're always so accomadating and thorough, even though I may stumble along, you consistently help.

posted August 16, 2019 02:16 PM            

It happens when Saturn returns to the sign it was in when you were born. That takes roughly 28-30 years(depending on the sign).

Its a period of growing up. And not necessarily in a way that feels good(Jupiter).But a realization of your own mortality i.e I am getting older.Have i completed all that i set out to do? What do i want in life? Who am I becoming? Am I happy? Am I living my life to my full potential? Have I become the person I dreamed of as a child?

During this period a lot of the structures you have built(Saturn)your whole life through,will be tested (when Saturn returns to its previous position).

In that, the most important question will be "Are the structures durable?" i.e "Did you make a mark in the world for yourself?" "Are you en route to achieving your goals?" "Do you remember what those goals are?".

These goals do not necessarily pertain to career only.But they also cover love/ friendships/ children/ weight/health/personal wealth etc. In other words, how far along behind or ahead of your goals are you?

The Saturn return is particularly harder for those who feel they have underperformed or that the life they have created, does not reflect their aspirations in ways fundamentally important to them.

It is also a painful "cut down" of other goals as we streamline what we are able to achieve i.e i will not children if I choose this route OR if I have children, I will have to forego this etc.The realization of one's mortality is also the acceptance of physical limitations.

Where Jupiter lists many options, Saturn says "choose one option for this life. As you can't do them all". So in a way, Saturn makes us realize what is really important to us when push comes to shove.

Now the added transit of Uranus on your natal Asc could add restless energy i.e feeling a need to wipe the slate clean and start over. And this is supported by the sextile aspect of your Moon.

Moon in Pisces typically has inner awareness and lives in an inner world of emotions. The transit of Uranus in earthy Taurus in aspect to the Moon is an opportunity (sextile) to harmonize intuitive feeling(Pisces-water) into a tangible form(Taurus-earth).

This could be painting the room a different colour(Moon rules the homefront or home space), talking about feelings more openly(Moon rules the 3rd house) or being confident enough to make new associations (Moon in 11th) by letting people in into your space.

The oppo to Merc by tansit Nep suggests an extreme reaction & heightened sensitivity to what you hear /read or think about.

You could think in terms of extremes and dig yourself into a hole by entertaining irrelevant details or going towards a thinking loop in a direction that undermines your balanced state of minds.

This could be that Neptune may precipitate phobias, fears for the future, health woes,death fears, heighten anxiety,increase self-doubt and end up disturbing sleep patterns because of feeling uncertain of where you stand and why.

Mental stability is important as it is what we chronically and compulsively think about that creates our perceptions.And thereby experiences with the world.

Uranus will oppose Pluto in the coming years. Pluto is momentum and rules concentrated emotions. Typically speaking, most people think Leo is the "drama" King/ Queen. But I am of the view that Pluto ruled Scorpio tops Leo in dramatic displays of intense emotions. Often the negative insecure kind.

Now natal Pluto in 7th suggests an intense approach to relationships.This is an area of much contention for you and instability as Pluto rules the Scorpio 8th house of erratic instability and sudden upheavals that can cause emotional insecurity in the natural zodiac.

Seeing that Moon is in the 11th house, Jupiter in 3rd and Pluto in 7th ,this is apt.It suggests emotional sensitivity to relationships and the tendency to take twists and turns within them very PERSONALLY

Also reflective of this is Venus(ruler of the Asc) in relationship Libra placed in tumultuous 6th. So it may even cause physical(1st house) illness(6th).

Uranus transiting the 1st and simultaneously hitting Pluto in Scorpio means that are changes and shifts that need to be made in relationships.

Either you require more space(Uranus) or the people you have around you will break off from you, become unstable or require more space from you.

If you don't allow for such changes,your relationships may suffer as you meet up with disappointments & disruptions time and again. And this may go as far as to affect your health(Taurus is ruled by Venus 1st house of self AND is in Libra sign of relationships AND in 6th house of health)

posted August 16, 2019 04:23 PM            

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Oh! Okay. So if I understand you correctly, as Hypa kindly said too, you mean an event chart of the DAY specifically, including my place of birth, yes? If not, I'm sorry!

Like this, yes? [URL=http://i.imgur.com/rDXhK0D.jpg

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Yes, Lalafortunaea. ... But, the chart you have posted appears to be for 2019 - rather than for 06:55am on 30th November 2018. ... So, Return Saturn is not at the same location as Natal Saturn (7Cap46:01).

[Note : Progressed Mercury and Progressed Jupiter are currently activating your Natal Moon-Mars-Neptune triangle. ... So, understanding the issues of that natal triangle will be the key to understanding - and correctly handling - the life events that you are currently encountering.

However, the Saturn Return Chart is likely to reveal why you were programmed at birth (via the natal chart) to address those issues now/at this point in your life.]

posted August 17, 2019 01:14 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
Yes, Lalafortunaea. ... But, the chart you have posted appears to be for [b]2019 - rather than for 06:55am on 30th November 2018. ... So, Return Saturn is not at the same location as Natal Saturn (7Cap46:01).

[Note : Progressed Mercury and Progressed Jupiter are currently activating your Natal Moon-Mars-Neptune triangle. ... So, understanding the issues of that natal triangle will be the key to understanding - and correctly handling - the life events that you are currently encountering.

However, the Saturn Return Chart is likely to reveal why you were programmed at birth (via the natal chart) to address those issues now/at this point in your life.]

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Oh dear, another miss for me.

Hokay, once more with feeling, 2018: http://i.imgur.com/9ZAi9FY.jpg

I'm sorry, I'm so scattered right now... ._.

posted August 17, 2019 02:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
First off, you are going through your Saturn return. This is a significant milestone that all people go through.

If you don't allow for such changes,your relationships may suffer as you meet up with disappointments & disruptions time and again. And this may go as far as to affect your health(Taurus is ruled by Venus 1st house of self AND is in Libra sign of relationships AND in 6th house of health)

So you may have to hold on a little less to associations or expectations from them, be flexible a little more with making new ones. And be prepared to possibly break away from existing ones(especially if they are too confining to you or detrimental to your well-being)

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Saturn is indeed a stern father...

You are... hitting the nail on the head. Everything that I thought I knew, actually is turning out to be entirely different. Even things, people I thought were good, meant well, and all that...
It's like so many true faces are being shown to me. Taurus rising, right? I'm usually cool as a cucumber. Not much moves me. Steady and solid. Oh boy is my solidity and foundation falling apart now. Healthwise, yeah... I sometimes get so disturbed by it all I want to hurl. But to be honest, compared to previous years, I actually feel physically healthier than I've felt in a while, which is odd. I'm wondering if... everything that's falling apart is maybe breaking away all the things that caused health issues...

Thank you Aries.

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Originally posted by Orange:
I went thru a similar experience and what I discovered after all that, was that hard times are happening to you all at once because the universe is trying to set you up on a new path and re-align your life priorities because the trajectory of where you were going before was not leading to a beneficial point. Friends who betrayed you will be shown the way out, things that don't serve you will be taken away, what stops your growth will be eliminated in one way or another, it's a turning point and you should not resist it but adjust yourself and try to turn it in your favor. Nothing that happens is accidental or a bad luck, it has a purpose. Know that you are never alone because you have the universe watching your back.

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posted August 17, 2019 03:57 AM            

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I'm wondering if... everything that's falling apart is maybe breaking away all the things that caused health issues...

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Hi again, Lala.
Thank you for posting the chart of your first Saturn Return.

So, now ... note how your natal Moon-Mars-Neptune triangle (Pisces/11th - Virgo/5th - Capricorn/9th) has become a Virgo/10th Moon (on MC) opposite a Pisces/3rd "Neptune conjunct Mars" (on IC).

Then ... reflect upon this (1Corinthians 11:13) :-

"When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became an adult, I put away childish things."

Next ... imagine yourself as a Soul in heaven, writing the script (natal chart) for the play that will be your next reincarnation on Earth. ... Part 1 = "the child, adolescent and the maturing adult." ... Part 2 = "the mature and youthful adult." ... Part 3 = "the retired adult, reflecting upon his/her life." ... Part 4 = "the adult preparing to meet his/her Maker".

Part 2 was scheduled to begin at 06:55am (local time) on 30th November 2018. ... Moon-Mars-Neptune in the natal chart depicts the developing child during the first 30 years of life. ... Moon-Mars-Neptune in the First Saturn Return depicts where the Soul intended to be when it's accompanying one-lifetime-only ego reached maturity. ... And, the difficulties being experienced now are indicating that the ego is not yet where the soul intended it to be when the curtain was raised for part 2 of the play to be performed.

So ... if your Saturn Return Chart was the natal chart of someone else ... how would you interpret Moon in Virgo/10th (on MC) and opposite "Neptune conjunct Mars" in Pisces/3rd (on IC)? Would this not be someone who is ready (and able) to make his/her mark on the outside world? ... And equipped with a discerning Virgo Moon that (unlike a Pisces Moon) cannot be phased by "the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune"?

And ... is the current retrograde transit of Saturn (at 14Cap44) not now activating the Saturn Return Chart's Moon-Neptune opposition (plus Saturn/Pluto mid-point at 13Cap42), and due to station at 13Cap55 (on 19th September 2019) - having already opposed transit Sun at Capricorn 18 (on 9th July 2019)* ..?

posted August 19, 2019 04:24 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:

[b]"When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became an adult, I put away childish things."

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Thank you for taking a look at my chart.

I needed some time to contemplate this. My first thought was "nah, I'm pretty jaded already."

But upon further introspection, I realize it's probably true. I've always tended to make excuses, very naive ones, for why people did what they did,
naive spins on intentions, seeing things as better than they were, more childlike and innocent. And then some people put some knives in your back and it's like you can't see it like that anymore.

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Also I forgot to mention this yesterday but tr chiron is retro opposing your chart ruler Venus which is the apex of that tsquare making transit chiron the release point of that tsquare!

I think this is causing a lot of pain to come to the surface so you are been forced to do a lot of healing work. A big part of healing is allowing yourself to feel emotions you didn't feel bc you repressed them or dissociated from them ECT...

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Yay.

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And, yes... that seems about right. I'm experiencing flashes of moments in my life, where I was not fully aware of what was going on, so I did not know how to feel, but the memeories which cause me to revisit what happened show me how I actually felt but could not verbalize.

And other things coming to the surface, like some bad experiences when I was a kid, and the knowledge that comes with these memories of why
I now have these "issues" or "programs" that I have today, which cause me to respond the way that I do. It's hard to see, when it's something
so deeply ingrained. In a way I guess I should feel blessed. I'm seeing these things, and hopefully when this is all over, if ever it finally ends, I'll be a better person, stronger.

It's just hard.

posted November 05, 2019 10:38 PM            

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