posted November 05, 2019 06:23 PM            

What does it mean when both Sun & Month as in the 12th house? How can I protect myself and use these energies favorably? I've undergone a lot of spiritual transformations and weird paranormal experiences, none of which have made sense to me up until seeing the strong Neptune influence in my chart. I'm constantly struggling and suffering with poverty, chronic pain or abusive situations - regardless of how I seem to be living my life. These situations and people just seem drawn to me. What else can you folks possibly see in the natal?

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posted November 06, 2019 03:42 AM            

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posted November 06, 2019 04:00 AM            

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I've undergone a lot of spiritual transformations and weird paranormal experiences, none of which have made sense to me up until seeing the strong Neptune influence in my chart. I'm constantly struggling and suffering with poverty, chronic pain or abusive situations - regardless of how I seem to be living my life. These situations and people just seem drawn to me.

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posted November 06, 2019 01:26 PM            

"I always seem to find myself around extreme people and extreme situations"

I have already mentioned ,on the other thread of yours,that you have strong other worldly energies/altered .realities/paranormal energies running through your chart. these are shown by the vertex square to the node.

the node is the plane of energy that focuses the higher plane energies in your chat. the node gives psychic energies and it is the pathway that destiny and karmic experiences can enter you life and it is the energy that gives meaning to the symbols in your chart..
the vertex is the underlying energy of all consciousness. not just human consciousness but all forms whether animal,mineral,flora or universal consciousness.

actually the nodes energy is a subset of the vertex.the vertex is so inclusive that not of it's energy can be understood or integrate rationally by the human mind. the nodes focus those energies that apply to the human condition .

"I've undergone a lot of spiritual transformations and weird paranormal experiences, none of which have made sense to me"

so the vertex and the node are quite similar but the node gives clarity whereas the vertex is not always understandable and sometimes just brings phantasmagorical images and sensations. the vertex as the equator of the sun always brings energy into the chart but as I said,it can be confusing to the rational mind and it is not always applicable to ones life experiences.

"These situations and people just seem drawn to me."

you have mars conjunct to chiron exact to 5 arc minutes. I adhere to the late astrologist Isabel hickey who believed that destiny is shown by exact aspects in a chart.
so you have lessons to learn by odd and edgey men coming into your life. chiron with mars also shows you to be very analytical and critical. you judge the actions other to be sure they act as they speak. and this is one of your personal rules...be coherent in your words and actions.
this shows you are drawn to the "outlaw" limits, areas where personal integrity trump the often prejudiced laws of society.

these two symbols are conjunct the south node. the south node can also be conceptualized as the plane of magic,paranormal and other worldly occurrences.mars with the south node gives you a very powerful physical aura. your etheric energies affect everyone around you whetehr you are presne tor not.ias you said people are drawn to you and this is what the mars/node will do, your charisma is very strong. but the rub here is that south node is negative energy,in this case that means that you have power over reality by your actions whether you are ware of it or not. it also means that negative people will be drawn to you. positive people will also be affect but negative people will be drawn stronger.it is a bit more complicated but for now this will suffice.
chiron with the south node give a brilliant intellect,if you can resist from using your knowledge selfishly. chiron here gibes strong psychic powers but one may not realize this because you intellect and deductive powers are so great they you might assume you intuitions are usually correct because of some deep rational process in you.
this position makes you analytical and precise and incisive in your use of words.this gives a broad mind and a interest in occult subjects. very often chiron will show one who seeks out hidden knowledge or organizations or cults that us and know hidden knowledge. again this is just the surface.
you also have Neptune and Uranus conjunct the north node. this brings visionary/spiritual powers to you. Uranus can give you astral abilities should as vivid dreams and astral flying dreams, this can give prophetic dreams and in some case your dreams and visions can continue into waking consciousness. Phantoms and visions can also come to you when you are awake. and with eris square to Neptune, sexuality can spark these experiences also.

the transiting south node was conjunct your Neptune/Uranus conjunction in late august to early October 2019. so you were likely experiencing the elements I have just described then.

posted November 06, 2019 02:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:

Please ALSO post your chart with Placidus houses ... as that will have two instances of intercepted signs+duplicated house cusps, which might relate to the above quoted Taurus-Scorpio and Virgo-Pisces issues described in your opening post.

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posted November 06, 2019 04:39 PM            

aiy aiy and thank you very much for elaborating further on these energies and aspects. I wasn't fully comprehending the activity in the natal with the Nodes & Vertex, so further clarity was deeply appreciated.

I've reflected on what you have written and i'm honestly very bewildered yet not surprised. Most of what you are describing i've experienced one way or another. I suspect I likely draw a lot of other 12th house heavy people with heavy karmic debts in the nodes. Chiron seems to be aspecting a lot of my personal planets...

My wonder is if i'm always going into be in these extreme scenarios and struggling, or if I'm finally going to get a chance to build, heal and rise above my experiences. I have a lot of work to do in my community. So much of what i've learned can help my people and inspire them to overcome the struggles we collectively face. But I need stability if I am going to change things.

The stories and histories I have to tell need to be told and people want to hear them. Myself and others are changing the narrative of Canadian history and exposing many untold truths of the genocide still ongoing (12th house?)

My ancestors and family have been deeply wronged by the colonial 'Powers That Be.' We survived a genocide and it still seems like we are the ones stuck with the toll.
Can the tables be turned? Can the karma be balanced?

If I am meant to be fighting every step of the way, so be it I guess. Many opportunities come my way (art murals, poetry performances, speaking events etc.) where I am placed in the position to really inspire and change - but then I am often set back by extreme situations or traumas.

posted November 07, 2019 12:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Amonuet:
Hello again todd,

aiy aiy and thank you very much for elaborating further on these energies and aspects. I wasn't fully comprehending the activity in the natal with the Nodes & Vertex, so further clarity was deeply appreciated.

I've reflected on what you have written and i'm honestly very bewildered yet not surprised. Most of what you are describing i've experienced one way or another. I suspect I likely draw a lot of other 12th house heavy people with heavy karmic debts in the nodes. Chiron seems to be aspecting a lot of my personal planets...

My wonder is if i'm always going into be in these extreme scenarios and struggling, or if I'm finally going to get a chance to build, heal and rise above my experiences. I have a lot of work to do in my community. So much of what i've learned can help my people and inspire them to overcome the struggles we collectively face. But I need stability if I am going to change things.

The stories and histories I have to tell need to be told and people want to hear them. Myself and others are changing the narrative of Canadian history and exposing many untold truths of the genocide still ongoing (12th house?)

My ancestors and family have been deeply wronged by the colonial 'Powers That Be.' We survived a genocide and it still seems like we are the ones stuck with the toll.
Can the tables be turned? Can the karma be balanced?

If I am meant to be fighting every step of the way, so be it I guess. Many opportunities come my way (art murals, poetry performances, speaking events etc.) where I am placed in the position to really inspire and change - but then I am often set back by extreme situations or traumas.

It is like these negatives forces know that I'm a threat? But maybe i'm just being paranoid.

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hi Amonuet

" I suspect I likely draw a lot of other 12th house heavy people with heavy karmic debts in the nodes"

"If I am meant to be fighting every step of the way, so be it I guess."

you are very perceptive.
your moon/sun conjunction indicates that you are affected by situations that you did not personally create or instigate. the 12 house is the culmination of all the societal changes that you are subjected to and in many case that occur before you were both. as a consequence the 12th house does hve a heavy karma that affects you.the 12th house is the most restrictive house as you are affected by previous times. this house tempers one's free will more than any other and one must accept this restrictive nature and learn to work within the arena you are given.you do have a very tough pattern with the sun and moon conjunct in the 12th, so as you have already felt, it will feel that the world is against you at times. you will have to respond to the affect of actions you did not make.

you already sense and know what you arena is. the moon/sun conjunction is sextile to your mars/Chiron/node conjunction. You responsibility is to work/heal on your peoples grievances. your chart implies a strong connection to the spirit world and to the souls of your family. your Saturn is square to Jupiter which indicates that part of your healing is too reconcile conflicts in your family between your parents and grandparents.

with Neptune and Uranus on the north node, I think your ancestors spirits will slight your path once you return to the Red Road.

"It is like these negatives forces know that I'm a threat? But maybe i'm just being paranoid"

this is very true.you are a truth teller and especially in own present Era the forces of Darkness will try to stunt and one who tries to spread the light.

I feel you were a person of great power in a past life .your orcus/juno midpoint is square the Jupiter/Saturn opposition .in addition having healing powers, this aspect suggests your ancestress is close by.

in addition your sun/Sedna midpoint is opposed to pluto which also shows a truth teller in a past life.

you have other aspect that suggest your were/are a great healer. pluto is sextile to Neptune which in addition to healing abilities is very compassionate and sensitive.

specifically , you may have the power to heal by hands or to cleanse and heal auras. this is shown by the asteroid reiki being conjunct your psyche and Venus. so it seems that those you are drawn to you subconsciously are attracted to your healing affect on them.
in addition the asteroid aura is conjunct you moon which shows you are inherently sensitive to the auras of others. this shows that you have the sensitivity to feel other's auras and with reiki you have the ability to provide a channel to allow the other to cleanse their auras and inflictions.
these healing powers are within you ,so you need to start healing your own physical aliments with you healing abilities.

aiy aiy
todd

posted November 10, 2019 02:37 PM            

aiy aiy nanaskoamon! Having your input regarding my charts is always a blessing. The more I study and read about astrology, the more I realize why it was such a paramount feature in our ancestor's lives. Knowing how to read the stars and the manifestations of heavenly bodies on earth - which humans seem to be the prime vehicles of.

Reflecting on what you said about the sun & moon conjunction in the 12th, the patterns of karma, situations beyond my influence and the past: it really all does make sense. Especially in regards to intergenerational trauma.
Lately it has felt like if I don't move forward on the Red Road, I would be doing my ancestors a grievous injustice. That being, I have the power to really make great change and help my people.
As you said, being a light and truth sayer - this attracts the negative energies which seek to prevent these things from happening.

This is all very intense for me to really come to terms with, as most of this I have all felt of intuitively...especially in regards to past life/ancestral experiences. There is just that logical and cynical part of me that didn't want to except that all of this is spiritual and esoteric.

I have been told before (in person) that I have the power to heal with my hands; I also inherited a Reiki book from my deceased aunt. I do suffer from several physical ailments that are causing me quite a bit of debilitation. This is hard, as it is restricting my ability to draw/write/paint and also do other things I do enjoy, like yoga/working out and even simple daily chores. (This being scoliosis, costochondralitis, fibromyalgia and arthritis.) I'm only 28...
Baring in mind what you have said, I am going to try and focus on these healing abilities and go back to yoga practice, meditation etc. Perhaps I can use my own energy to heal these ailments. And its time I go back to the sweat lodge and pray for healing, its been many months since i've last gone.

posted November 12, 2019 04:56 PM            

I first learned about healing by hands after readin a article about the aura. it said if you put you palms nesrly together and moved them slowly apart ,one could feel the aura. I tried this and I felt the aura energy.after this a tried to head, a headache of my lover's and it worked. after this a channeled the leading of many headaches.

I actually have never read anything about reike healing but people kept telling me what I did seemed to be reiki-like.

opvber the years I have deveoled ahnds healing,medaitaional healing and another healing form I had never heard of. it consist of creating a frequency in you brain and focusing this at the aliment.it works most of the time but it is very energy depleting, whereas mediational healing is "easier" because one allows the higher forces to enter and do the channeling.

posted November 17, 2019 03:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Amonuet:
tansi todd!
Thank you for sharing with me your experiences with energy healing. I am surprised to hear they are quite similar to my own (no formal reiki training, but seeming to have the natural affinity to heal?) Even in regards to headaches! Very fascinating.
I do remember having one negative experience of attempting "energy healing" on an individual with a spine condition and felt adverse affects to myself. Meditation healing does sound easier on the practitioner.
take care for now!aiy aiy

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I haven't had bad repercussion personally but I have found that if the person doesn't "like " me or is resistant to being healed then the symptoms can get worse.

meditational healing is more difficult for me because everything needs to becalm quiet and I have to be able to focus and turn off my minds.

I have aura conjunct my moon as you do.

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aiy aiy todd