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mimi777
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posted November 08, 2019 07:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mimi777     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Hellooo! I was directed here by a fellow knowflake :}
I've been experiencing alot of heavy Mars energy lately, and as well as alot of emphasis on my Karmic duties & past lives.

A fellow knowflake gave me a lovely interpretation, that the configuration "looks like a magic carpet, with Mars as the carpet rider/passenger, yet that the hard 't-square' aspects indicate that the carpet was not traveling in the direction the soul intended to go" in this reincarnation.

As well as pointed out to me, that "my progressed sun will begin making a 3-year-long Trine to natal Mars on my 2019 birthday." Which is coming up next week. I was unaware of this, but it makes a lot of sense!

I'm wondering if anyone has anything to add to this, or their own interpretations! And if the recent emphasis and pressure on my karma is tied to the upcoming Sun trine natal Mars.

Any insights or advice on this Mars/Karma stuff as well as anything extra you wanna point out, is much appreciated. I am new to this forum and learning so much, a gold mine of information and everyone has been so open. Thanks in advance.

Blessings.

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posted November 09, 2019 01:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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this (blue-lined "kite") configuration "looks like a magic carpet, with Mars as the carpet rider/passenger, yet those (red-lined) hard 't-square' aspects indicate that the carpet was not traveling in the direction the soul intended to go" in this reincarnation.


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posted November 11, 2019 02:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I have this knowing that there are no accidents concerning when we are born, & that we manifest when the planetary conditions are appropriate to give the native the necessary tools/obstacles to carry out karma for the evolution of our soul. ... http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum23/HTML/000653.html

Then ... you will not be surprised by the fact that - although your natal chart has no intercepted signs (nor any signs which appear on more than one house cusp) - these do exist in your progressed charts from the ages of 6 to 24; 36 to 60 and 65 to 89.

Since intercepted signs, and signs duplicated on house cusps, CAN (but do not always) indicate issues relating to past lives/karma ... you may find it helpful to make a "copy and paste" note of the following progressions (after confirming them at astro.com) :-


Age 0 ......... NO INTERCEPTED SIGNS - NO DUPLICATIONS

Age 6 .... Virgo/Pisces intercepted in 10th/4th - Libra/Aries duplicated on 11th+12th/5th+6th.

Age 8 .... Leo/Aquarius intercepted in 9th/3rd - Libra/Aries still duplicated on 11th+12/5th+6th.

Age 11 ... Leo/Aquarius intercepted in 9th/3rd - Scorpio/Taurus now duplicated on 12th+1st/6th+7th.

Age 15 ... Cap/Cancer intercepted in 2nd/8th - Scorpio/Taurus still duplicated on 12th+1st/6th+7th.

Age 22 ... Cap/Cancer intercepted in 2nd/8th - Scorpio/Taurus still duplicated on 12th+1st/6th+7th.

Age 24 ......... NO INTERCEPTED SIGNS - NO DUPLICATIONS


Age 36 ... Virgo/Pisces intercepted in 9th/3rd - Libra/Aries duplicated on 10th+11th/4th+5th.

Age 38 ... Virgo/Pisces intercepted in 9th/3rd - Scorpio/Taurus now duplicated on 11th+12th/5th+6th.

Age 42 ... Leo/Aquarius intercepted in 8th/2nd - Scorpio/Taurus still duplicated on 11th+12th/5th+6th.

Age 48 ... Leo/Aquarius intercepted in 8th/2nd - Sag/Gem now duplicated on 12th+1st/6th+7th.

Age 52 ... Cancer/Cap intercepted in 7th/1st - Sag/Gemini still duplicated on 12th+1st/6th+7th.

Age 60 ......... NO INTERCEPTED SIGNS - NO DUPLICATIONS


Age 65 ... Libra/Aries intercepted in 9th/3rd - Scorpio/Taurus duplicated on 10th+11th/4th+5th.

Age 66 ... Virgo/Pisces intercepted in 8th/2nd - Scorpio/Taurus still duplicated on 10th+11th/4th+5th.

Age 71 ... Virgo/Pisces intercepted in 8th/2nd - Sag/Gem now duplicated on 12th+1st/6th+7th.

Age 76 ... Leo/Aquarius intercepted in 7th/1st - Sag/Gem still duplicated on 12th+1st/6th+7th.

Age 83 ... Leo/Aquarius intercepted in 7th/1st - Cap/Cancer now duplicated on 12th+1st/6th+7th.

Age 89 ......... NO INTERCEPTED SIGNS - NO DUPLICATIONS


[SignA/SignB intercepted - houses x+y/houses w+z duplicated = an issue/problem in the x and w houses will be adversely affecting the activities of the y and z houses - in a way that, until resolved, prevents the positive qualities of A and B (plus any planets within them) from being used effectively/appropriately.]

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posted November 11, 2019 11:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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I sort of interpret your insight in regards to going a direction i did not intend to go, to having a very unfortunate upbringing and childhood, that made it take a very long time for me to simply get to a place of peace where I'm able to work on my karma..though the upbringing could have been a part of it. ... http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum23/HTML/000653.html

Your "Magic Carpet" is a Kite configuration* - consisting of Moon, Chiron, Uranus+Neptune and Sun+Jupiter+Pluto. The Moon (in Taurus/7th) is the "peak"/tail planet ... indicating the task to be accomplished by the opposition aspect. And the other planets (+Chiron) are working to develop the peak planet, so that it is adequately equipped to achieve the opposition task. ... Hence, at the time of birth, the Moon was the planet that needed to "grow" - in order for the Soul to achieve what is "promised" by Sun+Jupiter+Pluto (in Scorpio/1st).

Sun = expression of self : Jupiter = expansion : Pluto = empowerment : Scorpio = mastery : 1st house = self-awareness. ...... Thus, what is promised is mastery and empowerment of yourself - via the expansion of your ability to interact with others.

So ... can you see why Moon (feelings/emotions, and the storehouse of subconscious memories) in security-seeking Taurus and 7th house (of intimacy) could prevent your soul from achieving that "natal promise"?

Also ... can you see why those intercepted signs (+ duplicated house cusps) did not become active until the age of 6 (when your current-life's ego/personality had had enough time/experiences to have developed the behavioural traits created by the related past life issues)?

And ... can you see how Mars is steering this carpet/kite, via it's aspects to all the bodies within the configuration?

[* "From an esoteric point of view, we talk about an 'initiation figure', in which the final state of a certain stage of development has been reached. It is common knowledge that at the end of each evolutionary stage there is an initiation that reaches closure after a development. This results in the stabilising of a state of awareness as symbolised by the Kite. But not everyone with a Kite has already reached this stage." ... Aspect Pattern Astrology, by the Hubers.]

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posted November 11, 2019 08:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mimi777     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm gonna look into those intercepted houses in my progressed chart, in relation to those periods of time in my life. I'm very interested to see how they affect/compare to the lifelines of others as well & how they could be significators of certain events/life lessons relevant to karma, as well as what happens when they repeat themselves. I hadn't given them much thought until now.

I will be turning 25 next week, so no more until im 36! Makes a lot of sense actually, for the first time in my life since I was very young I have some stability, like all the pieces are settling after a long storm and i can finally get some footing, literally very recently/right now. I'm curious as to if that means it'll be calmer waters for the next 12 years!

I am starting a new career at the moment, and sort of a new life. I'm looking forward to this 3 year Mars-Sun Trine & have a feeling the recent/upcoming transits of Jupiter are gonna be favorable to me in these pursuits as well :}


I had no idea about this kite configuration stuff! Very informative for karma. I'll be obsessing about it like the pluto-baby I am and searching for every interpretation of it now, hah! I see your reasonings, it's all very accurate. It makes sense that Mars is so connected to my karma, being the driver of the kite, and centered so perfectly, it's like it's all really obvious now and i couldn't see it any other way.
Brilliant, thanks again!!

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Graham
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posted November 12, 2019 02:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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I'm gonna look into those intercepted houses in my progressed chart, in relation to those periods of time in my life. I'm very interested to see how they affect/compare to the lifelines of others as well & how they could be significators of certain events/life lessons relevant to karma, as well as what happens when they repeat themselves. I hadn't given them much thought until now.
I will be turning 25 next week, so no more until im 36! Makes a lot of sense actually, for the first time in my life since I was very young I have some stability, like all the pieces are settling after a long storm and i can finally get some footing, literally very recently/right now. I'm curious as to if that means it'll be calmer waters for the next 12 years!


Those 12 years provide the time/opportunity to review any relevant experiences and events arising from the progressed interceptions+duplications from age 6 to 24. ... And you now have a starting point - in that :-

1.) From age 6 to 8 .... A 5th/11th house (relationships) issue began to adversely affect your 6th/12th houses (of everyday life) - in a way that prevented you from appropriately/effectively using the positive qualities of Virgo, Pisces, Chiron and Saturn (especially with regard to 4th and 10th house matters).

2.) From age 8 to 11 .... That same 5th/11th house issue was now preventing you from effectively using the positive qualities of Leo, Aquarius and Mars (especially with regard to 3rd and 9th house matters).

3.) From age 11 to 15 ... That ineffective using of Leo, Aquarius and Mars qualities was now being caused by an issue in the 6th and 12th houses, which was adversely affecting 1st and 7th house matters.

4.) From age 15 to 24 ... Those same 6th and 12th house issues were now preventing you from effectively using the positive qualities of Cancer, Capricorn, Uranus and Neptune (especially with regard to 2nd and 8th house matters).

5.) From age 24 ......... NO INTERCEPTED SIGNS - NO DUPLICATIONS ... until age 36.

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posted November 12, 2019 02:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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I am starting a new career at the moment, and sort of a new life. I'm looking forward to this 3 year Mars-Sun Trine & have a feeling the recent/upcoming transits of Jupiter are gonna be favorable to me in these pursuits as well.

My gut feeling is that (for you) Jupiter is a teacher that knows exactly how (and when) to encourage you to expand/broaden your horizons. ... So, I am not surprised to see that (in 2020) it moves into your 3rd house and makes some 6 conjunctions with natal Uranus (one of the planets you were not using effectively from age 15 to 24 - and a participant in your natal Kite.)


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I had no idea about this kite configuration stuff! Very informative for karma. I'll be obsessing about it like the pluto-baby I am and searching for every interpretation of it now, hah!

During that search - reflect carefully upon the roles of Chiron, Uranus and Neptune in your natal kite ... as these are generational influences that have been personalised for you, by making aspects to your personal planets (Sun, Moon and Mars).

Chiron in Virgo is "searching for wholeness, connection and soul-satisfaction"; manifests in the 10th house through "mastery of our earthly purpose" and develops "the skills required for our ultimate service: becoming co-creators" ... (Chiron - Healing Body & Soul, by Martin Lass.)

And ... the conjunction of Uranus with Neptune occurs only once in every 170 years - but, it invariably results in the birth of a generation which (somehow) reforms society. Those who have it "will experience intense confusion regarding their independence, self-reliance and individuality. They may feel no inner confidence regarding their own creativity, originality and inventiveness. ...(But)... they will grasp, from birth, the concept of illusion and the futility of materialism; perceive the potential for utopian life and help make it a reality." ... (James Braha, USA astrologer.)


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thanks again!!

Thank you. ... And, best wishes for the future.

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mimi777
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posted November 18, 2019 02:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mimi777     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One last thing! How did you get that blue line aspect to chiron to appear in my chart? wont show up for me.

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Originally posted by Graham:

Thank you. ... And, best wishes for the future. [/B]


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posted December 01, 2019 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted December 01, 2019 03:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mimi777:
One last thing! How did you get that blue line aspect to chiron to appear in my chart? wont show up for me.


I set orbs at 150% and ticked "aspects to Chiron"

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posted December 20, 2019 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vansio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you don’t mind a read and since “karma” was mentioned, Liz Green & Howard Sasporta’s book Dynamics of the Unconscious unpack the impulse behind harsh aspects including Mars. In this book, there are 60 pages devoted to Mars. A tiny excerpt from ‘Part 1: The Astrology and Psychology of Aggression’, regarding a Sun-Mars aspect

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The Sun and Mars are both masculine principles—assertive, expressive and outgoing. If they form an aspect to one another then you have a double hit of assertion, an intensification of the masculine principle. The hard aspects may indicate what is known as a “negative animus," someone who is overbearing, tyrannical, even violent. These are extremes of the masculine principle.

Take the conjunction or the square of Sun and Mars. The Sun needs to shine and affirm its individuality, and Mars in aspect to it will heighten this drive. So there is a very pressing drive to assert the self. No matter how shy, quiet, passive, or withdrawn the Sun square or conjunct Mars might look, I know that somewhere inside these people are strong and tough. I wouldn't want to mess with them-they are fighters. I'd sooner have them on my side.

I'm particularly worried by people with Sun square or conjunct Mars who appear docile. Where is all that energy going? If they are not in touch with it, they may find themselves tired, alienated and depressed. Or do they find subtle ways of manipulating others to do what they want? Perhaps they passively control others: “Oh I’m so weak delicate, you must do this for me" or, “How can you do that to me, when you know how sensitive I am?" One way or another, they get their way.

The conjunction or square is prone to over-excitement or over stimulation. They may become so angry or excited that they almost vibrate out of existence. They may rush into something so quickly they botch it up or cause an accident. But I don't want to sound negative here, even about the square. There is a powerful spirit and will in operation with these aspects, manifesting in courage bordering on audacity.


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posted December 20, 2019 01:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vansio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted December 28, 2019 07:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
mimi777,

This will complicate things a bit, but I have to tell you that I disagree with virtually everything you've been told so far (inaccurate or irrelevant). I'll leave it at that. I'll just get back to your original inquiry: interpretations and advice relating to your Mars aspects.

1. Mars is one of your two [url=http://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/2019/06/22/loka-planets/]loka planets[url] (the other is Venus). Loka planets or planetary lokas comes from traditional Indian astrology (usually referred to as Vedic) refer to spheres of consciousness that show emphasis between/from incarnations on the particular energies of those planets. So it is not surprising to see Mars up right at the Midheaven of your chart. I have a similar situation with Mars as loka planet parallel the MC of my chart. So understand that your spiritual journey has you work to integrate and apply the Mars energy in a balanced way this lifetime.

2. Our birth charts are mostly a representation of what we bring in: a starting place because of where we left off. So there are implications of karma, but also just a learning process regardless of whether there is any specific karma attached to it.

Your challenge is to apply Mars's energies in a way that is constructive without over-doing it. Sun, Jupiter, Pluto square Mars shows willing, assertive, adventurous, courageous character, but with a tendency for pushiness, excess emphasis on freedom of impulse or movement, and potential for stubbornness and ruthlessness that needs ethical limits from without and spiritual guidance from within.

This is confirmed further by Moon's square to Mars. So you've essentially got a t-square in which Mars is the stem planet, therefore the outlet of the combined energies that both require their outward, passionate expression and challenge you to know your limits and how to steer your own momentum.

So forget the progression for now. Focus on these basic concepts of appropriateness of action and constructive use of energy/passion.

Mars also makes a double quincunx to Uranus and Neptune. This aspect puts Mars/action into awkward 150° aspect to transpersonal, asking you to integrate your self-driven energies into some awareness of the collective good, the dreams and desire for transcendence you share with your fellow humans. It brings the potential for accidents that could limit your physical mobility IF your use of the Martial energy gets out of hand or off track in some way. Of course, this should never be a basis for distrust of yourself or condemnation should such circumstances arise.

Just keep in mind that this incarnation your chart shows you're looking to bring in some discipline towards a more transpersonal application of the Mars energy that will require some adjustments, some added sensitivity to the consequences of your actions and outward expressions. Some plans may not go as you wish and how you handle them has a lot to do with learning the lessons associated with appropriate use of the Martial energy. This implies adjustment now of any underlying attitudes that emphasize doing itself over awareness (of effect, response to/consequences of actions).

This t-square of Mars as stem planet square Moon on one side and square Sun-Jupiter-Pluto on the other indicates tendencies to excesses of passion and willfulness that can drive others away as much as attract them. Specifically the Mars square to Pluto shows you need a regular constructive creative channel for those energies, and vigorous physical exercise to allow you to maintain some moderation (in all things). Similar indications from Moon square Mars and opposite Pluto: the need for a creative, subjective outlet for your emotive energies that does not rely on a response from others -- self-reinforcing.

So come to understand yourself as a creator (of whatever is inside wanting to come out in material form or expression).

One of the lessons contained within this t-square is learning how to pick your battles wisely. You may have enough courage and passion for two people, which implies there are others who may need your fighting spirit at some point to loan them courage and dignity. Whenever we see such a tendency for excess passion it always implies the need to share it, to let it overflow to protect or defend those who are more vulnerable, those who have not yet found their strength.

Sun & Jupiter sextile Uranus & Neptune strongly suggests you already have that kind of sensitivity, as does Moon's trine to those two outer planets.

Mars's alignment parallel the South Lunar Node also indicates the Martial energy has momentum from past experiences and developments requiring growth beyond action, momentum, ambition and into a deeper awareness through the mind and communicative listening as seen in Mercury's conjunction with North Lunar Node in Scorpio.

Lastly, keep away from firearms and explosives and those who deal in them with zeal or too casually. This is an admonition for any person with these kinds of potentially explosive Mars dynamics.

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