posted November 22, 2019 03:19 AM            

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Originally posted by CardinalT-Square:
Graham! Would you mind looking at my chart as well? I think I have what you call a Thrawler with Mercury-Venus-Pluto-Saturn-Neptune. It's two together between all those planets so I'm not sure what you would call that or what they mean??? Also do you have any info on Trapezoid patterns? Are they even a thing, or should I look at the grander picture? It's between my Sun-Moon-Uranus-Jupiter. RainyVirgo has it as well, so you'd be doing us both a favor😀 Thanks!

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posted November 22, 2019 12:21 PM            

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I think I have what you call a Trawler with Mercury-Venus-Pluto-Saturn-Neptune. It's two together between all those planets so I'm not sure what you would call that or what they mean???

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Note that your Mercury-Venus-Saturn-Neptune form a trampoline figure ... and that Pluto creates a Shield figure with Mercury-Venus-Saturn. ... So, what we have here is two configurations (Trampoline+Shield) that are working together (as one) - with a (Mercury-Venus-Saturn) clockwise Learning Triangle being common to both. ... And, since the combined figure has 6 Learning Triangles* within it, there is a lot of slow-burning-teaching taking place.

[* Pluto-Mercury-Neptune (clockwise) ... Saturn-Venus-Mercury (clockwise) ... Venus-Saturn-Pluto (clockwise) ... Venus-Saturn-Neptune ... Pluto-Mercury-Venus ... Mercury-Pluto-Saturn.]

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In Aspect Pattern Astrology, the Hubers describe those who have the trampoline figure in their natal chart as "an inveterate collector of knowledge - wanting to experience as much of the world as possible. ... But, the small square is not sufficient for the energetic transfer of that knowledge into action." ... So, this is a person who gathers information, to store/pass on to others (rather than for the purpose of attempting to expand/develop it in some way).

"Outwardly, they react directly; are hypersensitive and easily irritated; highly perceptive; always wide awake and incapable of rigid thinking. ... Inwardly, they often have an idealistic approach (blue lines/trines) and their opinions are formed according to their inner ideals (personal values). The main priority for them is learning to adapt constantly to changing circumstances, and to get on with new people. But, they do not have much time for those around them, as they are never focused on the outside. Like a trampolinist, they are hard to pin down and they just jump away." ... So, here is a person whose focus is internal rather than external.

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The Shield is a rare aspect pattern. As the name indicates, it is a protective mechanism - and, in your case, it is clearly protecting that Mercury-qcx-Neptune (which forms a search figure with the Mercury-trine-Saturn). Moreover, it is protecting that search figure/mechanism from attacks via your 4th house (of psychological foundations). ... So, nothing and no-one is going to divert you from that Mercury-Saturn-Neptune search (for the meaning of life?).

However ... if using Huber orbs, the Mercury-Venus aspect is not valid (and Saturn is in a one-way aspect with Pluto) - which removes the two semi-sextiles, to make this a buffer figure. This differs from the shield in that the person expects to be knocked/attacked and "actually goes looking for the blows himself (or he may beat himself up)". And, "psychologically, the weak and vulnerable points of the buffer are the two open sides - since the energies and experiences are constantly being lost through them, making it difficult for the person to protect himself over the long term."

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Bear in mind that we are looking only at the aspect patterns here - and have not taken any account of the characteristics/signs/houses of the planets involved. ... However, my gut feeling is that those Learning Triangles will be asking questions along the lines of "does a soul incarnate to gather already-known information; to work (alone) upon expanding what is already known or to work (with others) upon expanding what is already known". ... And my guess is that the parable of the talents provides the answers.

Meanwhile* ... in this configuration, Mercury and Venus are personalising the evolutionary task of the generation which has Neptune in Capricorn (dissolving barriers created by the status-quo/"expert-opinion") and Pluto in Scorpio (eliminating taboos)

[* "I grow old ... I grow old ...
I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled.

Shall I part my hair behind? Do I dare to eat a peach?
I shall wear white flannel trousers, and walk upon the beach.
I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each.

I do not think that they will sing to me." ...

posted November 22, 2019 01:47 PM            

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Also do you have any info on Trapezoid patterns? Are they even a thing, or should I look at the grander picture?

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"This aspect configuration is called a Rosetta by astrologers Sally Fisher and Linda Shelnutt and called a Trapeze by Bruno and Louise Huber in their aspect patterns book. This is a somewhat rare and very complex configuration in the energy dynamics it generates.
There is tension and conflict between the planets joined by the square aspects (the red lines in the diagram). There is agreement and cooperation between the planets joined by the trine and sextile aspect (blue lines). And there is stress, adjustment and paradox between the planets joined by the quincunx aspects (green lines).

There is a dynamic that happens between these planets that is similar to the concepts of "triangulation" and "scapegoating" in psychology and relationships. Person A has a problem with person B. But instead of talking to B about it, A goes to person C and complains. C takes sides with A against B, which just fuels the conflict between A and B, and now B has two enemies instead of just one.

All four planets in this configuration have both "enemies" and "allies," and play the same role in relation to other planets. The net effect of this is that the planetary energies tend to go around in circles, each trying to "win the argument" and finding it very hard to let go of the battle with its "enemies."

At its worst, this figure can keep problems going in circles indefinitely. Automatic reactions of frustration, anger, resentment, injustice and determination can just fuel the fire. The issues and problems in this dynamic could potentially become obsessions that are hard to let go of.

At its best, this configuration can increase awareness and philosophical understanding. It can strengthen the ability to tolerate paradox, ambiguity and problems where there isn't a clear solution. Awareness can stop the vicious cycle by showing you a path beyond your automatic reactions. Then it's up to you to make conscious, mindful choices that will move you along that path.

See Bruno and Louise Huber's book Aspect Pattern Astrology* for excellent information about aspect configurations."

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/015953.html

[* http://astrologicalpsychology.org/books/aspect-pattern-astrology-2/ ]

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If using Huber aspect orbs, all the contacts to Uranus in your specific Trapeze figure are "one-way-aspects" - with Uranus being influenced by Sun/Moon/Jupiter, but not influencing any of them. And, you were born a few hours too early for this figure to be fully completed via a Moon-Jupiter qcx. However, this absent Uranus and weakened Moon influences just make your Trapeze-related behaviour more stable than it would otherwise be.

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Your Trapeze figure supports my guess (about the questions being asked by the Learning Triangles in the Trampoline+Shield aspect pattern). In essence - Sun, Moon and Jupiter are "asking Uranus to get more involved" ... or "to dare disturb the world" - by breaking new ground/expanding that which is already known.

So** ... why is this forum not yet seeing threads expressing your own "expert opinions"? ... Is it because you do not yet recognise/accept/see yourself as an expert?

[** "At its best, this configuration can increase awareness and philosophical understanding. It can strengthen the ability to tolerate paradox, ambiguity and problems where there isn't a clear solution. Awareness can stop the vicious cycle by showing you a path beyond your automatic reactions. Then it's up to you to make conscious, mindful choices that will move you along that path."]

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"To find the objective of a Trapeze, look at its axis of symmetry. This lies at right angles between the sextile and trine aspects, and cuts through the intersection of both internal qcxs. The dynamic growth process runs in both directions along the axis of symmetry." ... Aspect Pattern Astrology, by the Hubers.

The mid-point of your sextile is 17Scorpio38 (in 5th) : The mid-point of your trine is 20Taurus16 (in 11th) : The axis of symmetry runs through Scorpio/5th and Taurus/11th : Both of these signs (and Pluto) are intercepted - causing Cancer to be on the cusps of 1st+2nd houses, and Capricorn to be on the cusps of 7th+8th houses***.

[*** A problem/issue in the 1st and 7th houses is adversely affecting the activities of the 2nd and 8th houses - in a way that (until resolved) will prevent the most-effective-use of the positive qualities of Taurus, Scorpio and Pluto.]

posted November 28, 2019 03:50 AM            

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How do these patterns influence my T-square between Sun, Moon, and Mars (if at all)?

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The Trapeze and T-square combine via your natal Sun-Moon square. ... So, the Sun in the T-square is getting some help from its trine to Jupiter in the Trapeze. However, help for the Moon is provided only by its trine to Chiron (in the Moon-Mars-Chiron Learning Triangle) ... and Mars gets no help from anything at all in the natal chart (but its qcx to Chiron is a "think before acting" aspect).

The Trampoline does not make any major aspect contacts with the T-square. However, there is an exact 7th harmonic aspect from Sun to Pluto plus a close-orbed 5th harmonic aspect from Mars to Pluto - with these three planets 'coming together' as a conjunction in the 35th harmonic chart (of mental harmony, and inspired planning). ... So**, the trampoline is probably playing a part in helping you to understand the T-square's 4th leg "point of resolution" (at Aries 17).