posted January 28, 2020 01:38 PM            

An Ex girlfriend of mines who has become a friend wanted to get her birth chart interpreted. She hasn’t been in a stable relationship since 2015, and would like to know why.

Even when we dated we were together for a year before we broke up.

And insights would be helpful! She doesn’t have a account here but will be watching the thread!!

posted January 28, 2020 02:33 PM            

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Originally posted by todd:
the most obvious aspects are Uranus conjunct the node and square to the ascendant. this gives a very volatile and changing nature. and as the moon/su8n midpoint is conjunct the ascendant and square to Uranus, this explosive temperament is deeply ingrained in there personality. This is exacerated by chiron opposed to junio shows that she is extremely critical and picky to begin with.

todd

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Hey TODD,

posted January 28, 2020 03:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
The Neptune-Mars-Venus-Jupiter [b]detective figure may be worth exploring here. But too late in the uk to do this today. Will do so tomorrow asap - if no one else does so before then.[/B]

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Thanks Graham!!

She really needs the help!

posted January 28, 2020 04:51 PM            

She has Venus conjunct Pluto in Scorpio. And if her TOB is accurate, it’s also in the 8th house AND it’s her DSC ruler, plus the out of place Gemini moon.

Basically, she’s super duper intense, suspicious, has major trust issues, is probably very jealous and possessive, obsessive, could be too cling and come on way too strong, or she’s way too closed off and emotionally unavailable and pushed people away. Or maybe even swings between both.
Her Gemini moon is totally opposite this heavy plutonic love nature, so it’s probably really confusing for her partners. How she can be flighty or confusing or change her mind, yet be so intense and fixed at the same time. She’s probably more likely than not been called “crazy” by her partners because they don’t understand her or her demanding love needs/nature. She probably expects a lot from the people she’s with, maybe for them to meet or match her intensity or devotion and wants them to prove it etc. but she’s always disappointed or feel like they don’t love her as much and is looking for more validation/reassurance because Scorpio doesn’t trust easily.
Since this Venus is her 7th ruler, this also shows fights or conflict will be more common in her partnerships. So ego battles/conflicts/issues of control or power struggles will be common mixed with the Venus in Scorpio conjunct Pluto, in the 8th nonetheless 🙃. That’s tough! That’s a reason why Venus is in detriment in Scorpio... it’s really hard to feel loved and get your needs met when you have this, and other people you get with who don’t, usually don’t understand and it can be offputting.
She’s also going to attract more secretive, mysterious people, who maybe won’t be the most open or effusive with her to get that reassurance she needs. So it’s like a ****** cycle and can’t win. She’s attracted to and attracting these heavy Scorpio types, but Scorpio types HATE talking about feelings or needing to reassure all the time. And they aren’t going to put up with the potential mind games or manipulation tactics she will use to test their devotion or love or get into the power struggles that are inevitable with these type of 7th house signature.
So basically, it’s a combination of her own love nature/style, plus the types she’s attracted to and is attracting which doesn’t fit what she needs in order to be truly happy or in a healthy relationship.
Hope this helps

posted January 28, 2020 07:49 PM            

That was super on point..

She’s a little upset by how accurate it is.. LOL

A interesting thing to note is that she tends to gravitate towards Tauruses. I am a Taurus sun 8h, and We can both say a lot of this is true during our relationship.

She absolutely hates talking about how she feels and even said to me that talking about feeling made her feel “Drained”

posted January 28, 2020 08:20 PM            

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Originally posted by IV4Four:
Wow!!

That was super on point..

She’s a little upset by how accurate it is.. LOL

A interesting thing to note is that she tends to gravitate towards Tauruses. I am a Taurus sun 8h, and We can both say a lot of this is true during our relationship.

She absolutely hates talking about how she feels and even said to me that talking about feeling made her feel “Drained”

She also wants to know if there is any time in the near future that she might find a partner. Or if a certain EX my come back and things work out.

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Haha sorry, I’m a very honest/blunt tell it like it is type of person. But I never mean to personally offend anyone, so tell her not to be upset. And tell her lots of people are similar to her, there’s at least probably a million other people with her exact placements lol.

I can check out her transits and solar return to see when she’s likely to meet a new partner, oh and funny you mentioned ex coming back, that was the only other thing I was going to mention about her chart that I forgot to type but was going to. She had a really hard time letting go, if ever lol. Scorpio/Pluto gets ATTACHED, feelings run extremely deep, and it’s very painful to release after a breakup for these types, anyone with moon or Venus in Scorpio, conjunct Pluto or their 7th house or rulers connected to these energies. It’s a big karmic lesson to learn how to let go and let relationships serve their purpose and not obsess or hold on longer than necessary, doing so only causes pain.
So I suggest asking her WHY she wants a certain ex or ex’s back? Is it just fear, or control, co-dependency? Idealizing the relationship and forgetting why it ended in the first place? Usually when we break up with someone, it’s for a good reason. Incompatibility, grow apart, cheating/betrayals etc. getting back is usually not going to solve the problem or be the answer/solution. Just food for thought

posted January 29, 2020 01:15 AM            

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Originally posted by IV4Four:
Thanks Graham!!

She really needs the help!

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For clarity, the detective figure is shown in the natal chart extract posted above.

In Aspect Pattern Astrology, the Hubers write that "the detective figure lies on the border of the horoscope, and is more likely to obey the environment (focus on external matters) than work on personal development, which can be neglected. The large open side (Jupiter trine Neptune) contains an exposure, a kind of vulnerability or over-devotional nature. It is mainly perceived as harmonious and healing. (But) It aspires to independence. (And) It's neutrality + real objectivity make it very sensitive and it likes to communicate.

However, the red-blue contacts (to Jupiter) create a polarity of will and experience, criticism and contentment, as well as a polarity between the sexes. The motivation to make the unpleasant pleasant or to smooth out disagreements is caused by a tendency to repression. The red-green apex (Mars) is an irritable, almost grouchy side that somehow does not suit the quiet and contented character. It is, however, the ability to find the mistakes, the lies, the unsavouriness of something - or to cause chaos, no matter how coherent and orderly its environment may be.

What the pricked up ears or the great sensitivity pick up in the way of information is incorporated with exceptional speed and taken into its place in a puzzle. So learning is ongoing and takes two different forms : the first is observation and the search for truth and the second is the gathering and assimilation of knowledge."

[Note that the bracketed comments and bolding are mine. Neither appear in the book.]
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posted January 29, 2020 02:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:

For clarity, the [b]detective figure is shown in the natal chart extract posted above. [/B]

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Thanks graham!

posted January 29, 2020 02:56 AM            

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Originally posted by IV4Four:
Thanks graham!

Can you elaborate on this?

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[Note the rule-of-three confirmation here ... since Todd, Lunalscariot and I are pointing out the same issue via 3 different sets of astrological indicators.]

posted January 29, 2020 04:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by IV4Four:
[b] Thanks graham!

Can you elaborate on this?

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[Note the rule-of-three confirmation here ... since Todd, Lunalscariot and I are pointing out the same issue via 3 different sets of astrological indicators.]

[/B][/QUOTE]

posted February 02, 2020 04:30 PM            

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Originally posted by todd:
the most obvious aspects are Uranus conjunct the node and square to the ascendant. this gives a very volatile and changing nature. and as the moon/satrun midpoint is conjunct the ascendant and square to Uranus, this explosive temperament is deeply ingrained in there personality. This is exacerated by chiron opposed to junio shows that she is extremely critical and picky to begin with.

todd

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it is very difficult to change personality traits that might be causing her problem.
here the energy of Uranus overwhelms all other symbolic aspects.
a child with a strong Uranus must learn discipline very early in their life. the Uranus is so explosive that harmonious socialization and proper modification of ego/selfish desires must be instilled early.

if a child with a strong Uranus does not learn these skills then as a adult much discord can occur because they will continually find they create disturbances in their life.

so it seems that she is causing her unhappiness because she does not know how to compromise.

it is not clear how an adult can change these personality traits . but she must acknowledge that she is the source of hereisolation ad try to learn to compromise.

I think the juno opposed to chiron I more directly related to her failed relationships as this shows that she expects complete devotion in a relationship and if the relationship is not just as she wants, she grows dissatisfied and becomes very judgmental and critical. So here she must be able to reflect on herself and see the aspect of problems in the relationship that are caused by her.
she must learn to be tactful, as speaking critically without thinking about the consequences can doom a relationship.

with the Saturn/moon midpoint on her ascendant and Venus/Saturn midpoint conjunct to the sun , I would suggest that she look for someone older and mature .

todd

posted February 04, 2020 07:30 PM            

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Originally posted by todd:
it is very difficult to change personality traits that might be causing her problem.
here the energy of Uranus overwhelms all other symbolic aspects.
a child with a strong Uranus must learn discipline very early in their life. the Uranus is so explosive that harmonious socialization and proper modification of ego/selfish desires must be instilled early.

if a child with a strong Uranus does not learn these skills then as a adult much discord can occur because they will continually find they create disturbances in their life.

so it seems that she is causing her unhappiness because she does not know how to compromise.

it is not clear how an adult can change these personality traits . but she must acknowledge that she is the source of hereisolation ad try to learn to compromise.

I think the juno opposed to chiron I more directly related to her failed relationships as this shows that she expects complete devotion in a relationship and if the relationship is not just as she wants, she grows dissatisfied and becomes very judgmental and critical. So here she must be able to reflect on herself and see the aspect of problems in the relationship that are caused by her.
she must learn to be tactful, as speaking critically without thinking about the consequences can doom a relationship.

with the Saturn/moon midpoint on her ascendant and Venus/Saturn midpoint conjunct to the sun , I would suggest that she look for someone older and mature .

todd

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Wow thanks Todd!

I’ll pass this information along.

Do you actually mind sharing your input on another thread I recently posted?