posted November 02, 2020 05:41 PM            

It's really disappointing, as I feel we should all have the same answer regardless of what method is used, and yet that isn't the case.

It makes me really doubt how "real" astrology is that when it comes to such a questions with a clear answer between two people answer are all over the place.
I understand novice astrologer not getting the right answers, but I'm talking about respected astrologers.

What gives.

posted November 02, 2020 06:58 PM            

In the last USA Election 2016, the Winner of the POPULAR VOTE, was Hillary Clinton. She was the choice of MANY more American individuals who had cast their vote for Leader.

Thing is.. "we the people," individually do NOT cast the "actual" vote for president. This is made by a very very tiny number of individuals in something called the Electoral College.

They are comprised of ONLY "538" individuals that 'get' the opportunity to 'actually vote' for the president of the united states.

REF - http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/the-electoral-college.aspx

The astrologers are casting charts for the WRONG DAY if they 'specifically' are looking for info on 'who' will be chosen as president?

* Nov. 3, 2020: Election Day "for the people"

- November 30 GMT, November 29
Full Moon (annular) ECLIPSE 8.13 Gemini
USA H6 conjunct URANUS Gem 8.55
and 2929 Harris Gem 8.06.

- Dec 14, 16:18 GMT ..
NEW MOON Total south node ECLIPSE Sagittarius 23.08
IN USA-Sibly H1
& cj DT SN-Moon Sag 21+ H4
. . .
* Dec. 14, 2020:
Meeting of the Electors.
The electors meet in each state
and cast their ballots for president and vice president.
Each elector votes on his or her own ballot and signs it.
The ballots are immediately transmitted to various people:
.. one copy goes to the president of the U.S. Senate (who is also the vice president of the United States); this is the copy that will be officially counted later.
.. Other copies go to the state's secretary of state, the National Archives and Records Administration, and the presiding judge in the district where the electors meet (this serves as a backup copy that would replace the official copy sent to the president of the Senate if it is lost or destroyed).

* Dec. 23, 2020:
Deadline for Receipt of Ballots.
The electors' ballots from all states must be received by the president of the Senate by this date.
There is no penalty for missing this deadline.

** Jan. 6, 2021: Counting of the Electoral Ballots.!!
The U.S. Congress meets in joint session to count the electoral votes.
{THIS is the Day when we know the Official answer}

* Jan. 20, 2021: Inauguration Day.
The president-elect becomes the president of the United States.

- http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Nation:_USA_No.1

- http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Biden,_Joe

- http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Harris,_Kamala

- http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Pence,_Mike {no TOB}

posted November 02, 2020 07:04 PM            

I think the problem is that a safe method for predictions just doesnt exist and astrologers usually base their method on their own experience and studies of others' experiences, but even if the 99% of their predicitions is wrong this doesn't mean that astrology doesn't have a real influence on human events, maybe we just don't have enough knowledge about how the universe works and we just accept the risk of the mistake. I can only tell you that I know at least two astrologers whose predictions about my life were always on point, and that I myself did a few spot on (but I honestly don't even know how this is "technically" possible).

So I mean, I don't have blind faith in astrology prediction, but only in the possibility to learn how the stars and the universal energy may affect us, which I do believe it does.

posted November 03, 2020 03:24 AM            

The lack of so many astrologer not being more vocal about this reminds me of a cult..where people just refuse to see a major problem..that this all maybe bs.

Regardless..my prediction Biden will win..electoral vote and popular..

...posted by mirage29:
BOTH answers were Correct, in 2016.

In the last USA Election 2016, the Winner of the POPULAR VOTE, was Hillary Clinton. She was the choice of MANY more American individuals who had cast their vote for Leader.

Thing is.. "we the people," individually do NOT cast the "actual" vote for president. This is made by a very very tiny number of individuals in something called the Electoral College.

They are comprised of ONLY "538" individuals that 'get' the opportunity to 'actually vote' for the president of the united states.

REF - http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/the-electoral-college.aspx

The astrologers are casting charts for the WRONG DAY if they 'specifically' are looking for info on 'who' will be chosen as president?

* Nov. 3, 2020: Election Day "for the people"

- November 30 GMT, November 29
Full Moon (annular) ECLIPSE 8.13 Gemini
USA H6 conjunct URANUS Gem 8.55
and 2929 Harris Gem 8.06.

- Dec 14, 16:18 GMT ..
NEW MOON Total south node ECLIPSE Sagittarius 23.08
IN USA-Sibly H1
& cj DT SN-Moon Sag 21+ H4
. . .
* [b]Dec. 14, 2020:
Meeting of the Electors.
The electors meet in each state
and cast their ballots for president and vice president.
Each elector votes on his or her own ballot and signs it.
The ballots are immediately transmitted to various people:
.. one copy goes to the president of the U.S. Senate (who is also the vice president of the United States); this is the copy that will be officially counted later.
.. Other copies go to the state's secretary of state, the National Archives and Records Administration, and the presiding judge in the district where the electors meet (this serves as a backup copy that would replace the official copy sent to the president of the Senate if it is lost or destroyed).

* Dec. 23, 2020:
Deadline for Receipt of Ballots.
The electors' ballots from all states must be received by the president of the Senate by this date.
There is no penalty for missing this deadline.

** Jan. 6, 2021: Counting of the Electoral Ballots.!!
The U.S. Congress meets in joint session to count the electoral votes.
{THIS is the Day when we know the Official answer}

* Jan. 20, 2021: Inauguration Day.
The president-elect becomes the president of the United States.

- http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Nation:_USA_No.1

- http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Biden,_Joe

- http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Harris,_Kamala

- http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Pence,_Mike {no TOB}

- http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Trump,_Donald [/B][/QUOTE]

posted November 03, 2020 03:29 AM            

Just sad and kinda of pathetic that more astrologers don't know the answer.

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Originally posted by Stoika7:
Well, this happens also with doctors and diagnosis, lol

I think the problem is that a safe method for predictions just doesnt exist and astrologers usually base their method on their own experience and studies of others' experiences, but even if the 99% of their predicitions is wrong this doesn't mean that astrology doesn't have a real influence on human events, maybe we just don't have enough knowledge about how the universe works and we just accept the risk of the mistake. I can only tell you that I know at least two astrologers whose predictions about my life were always on point, and that I myself did a few spot on (but I honestly don't even know how this is "technically" possible).

So I mean, I don't have blind faith in astrology prediction, but only in the possibility to learn how the stars and the universal energy may affect us, which I do believe it does.

(I have my own prediction on the US elections, but I wont tell you cause I am aware it could be wrong :-D but if I am wrong, I will go and check to see which aspect I might have overlooked and I will learn something new :-) or, if I am right, I maybe will know that those aspects are "reliable" to me.)

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posted November 03, 2020 03:31 AM            

Lots of big stuff happening in trumps chart but not much in Biden’s. Most of Biden’s planets are in Scorpio/Taurus axis.

posted November 03, 2020 04:43 AM            

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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:
I pulled some cards and Trump is definitely winning.
Then I looked at transits to both their charts and it’s very obvious why.
The moon is in Gemini conjunct NN currently, which will conjunct his own sun in the 10th house, opposite his moon and nodes.
This is literally the stars aligning for him...
Then his 10th ruler Venus in cancer is opposite the big Jupiter/Saturn/Pluto conjunct in Capricorn right now

Lots of big stuff happening in trumps chart but not much in Biden’s. Most of Biden’s planets are in Scorpio/Taurus axis.

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posted November 03, 2020 05:39 AM            

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Originally posted by Saille:
I did a horary reading with Biden in the 1st house Libra with Venus and trump Mars retrograde in Aries. The moon here is the more important, the moon trines Venus while sextiling Mars, and while both cases are good,Trines are more positive than sexiles, so going with Biden.
And thanks for being confident in your reading...I care who the winner is, but that doesn't mean you can't be right. what did you have for the 2016 election?

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I didn’t look into the 2016 election. But I just did a quick reading out of curiosity a few day’s ago, and the magician kept coming out which when I checked their charts, was Trumps sign (Gemini).
Then when I seen the astrology that sold me. Of course I could be wrong lol, I’m not an expert at transits etc. and sometimes my interpretations of my cards are wrong too. But that’s what I got , so thought I’d share
I’m Canadian so I don’t really care who wins haha

posted November 03, 2020 07:21 PM            

I can understand how people who don't believe in astrology are 100% skeptical, when in the astrology community this isn't being address as it should...I mean what could be more a more clear question then "who will win the election with only two options?" and yet so many in the community are not even participating, and I feel like are in fact hiding.

This question, which comes up every 4 year with ample opportunity to study that past should be the resounding proof that astrology is "real" yet many astrologers stay away from it with the fear of being wrong...but if you're using a method studied why be scared? This is the best opportunity to show we are real and instead...we wait the the results are out then say "See this is proof of how he lost/won." Who cares after the results...when you didn't step up to the plate when it was most needed?
And if the fear is "well I can make a prediction but the prediction itself will change the outcome, if it's "written" in the stars, whatever happens we should be able to see.

Elections and the lack of participation from astrologers to make a decision is only validating those that do not believe it.

posted November 03, 2020 08:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Saille:
Oh yea, I don't think it's a science at all, all. What is surprising is how quiet the astrology community as become and can't seem to agree on who will win, when you hear stories of people going to astrologers and receiving the same answer over and over...why it's different when it comes to this election is really surprising.

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I think it's more difficult because it's not just about one person's chart, it involves two powerful people, an entire country, and the entire world... so I think it's much more complex and maybe just to check personal candidates' charts is not enough to make a reliable prediction, maybe it would take a wider look mxing different methods, and since every astrologer has their own methods it becomes very difficult to know who could be reliable among them...
I personally checked different aspects, transits to the candidates' charts, a composite between candidates with transits, an event multicomposite chart, but maybe even a multicomposite with the United States chart involved should be also looked at, which I didn't do.
I can only tell you, from what I have seen, that both candidates have powerful fated transits involving the nodes, the axis and their major planets... then, today's transits are also a bit confusing cause of many retrograde planets, especially Uranus' aspects, which pose a big question mark and possibly unexpected results... so the whole picture is a bit puzzling to me. I also pulled two different event composite charts, one for Trump and one for Biden, for a possible clarification, and in this case it looked favourable for Trump cause it shows Mars conjunct North Node in his 10th house, while for Biden it shows Mars conjunct South Node in his 4th house/IC... whereas transits to Trump's natal chart show transiting North Node conjunct natal North Node/10th house for today, and transiting North Node conjunct Trump's natal Uranus/10th house trine to Jupiter on January 20 2021... so from these aspects, my idea so far is that Trump might unexpectedly win the elections. But what if this is only showing his own karmic path instead of the election results? I honestly dont have a safe answer (I hope I will have the answer as soon as we have the election outcome) :-)

posted November 04, 2020 12:41 AM            

Please know I really appreciate your input and not coming at you in anyway or anyone that comments...just voicing that fact that my belief in astrology is shaky...

posted November 04, 2020 02:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Saille:
Thank you S,

Please know I really appreciate your input and not coming at you in anyway or anyone that comments...just voicing that fact that my belief in astrology is shaky...

and the race is tense.

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"Let me translate this Trump presser:

posted November 04, 2020 12:36 PM            

I'm going going with Biden...fingers crossed.

posted November 04, 2020 12:36 PM            

I'm going going with Biden...fingers crossed.

posted November 04, 2020 09:01 PM            

Just look at the number of different birth charts proposed for the USA at Astrodatabank. It's at least 14. So American astrologers cannot even agree on the nation's birth chart. How could we possibly expect them to agree on any predictions for the nation? It's just not realistic.

USA's Mercury in Cancer does not make for very reliable intuition or intellect in these kinds of things. It is very prone to bias and does not normally even seek objectivity. Moon in Aquarius quincunx that planet does not help with that either. (I use a variation of the Sibly chart with Asc 10° Sagittarius.)

The truth is that astrologers are not trained in any proven methods for such a thing, nor are many of them collectively seeking to develop such prediction methods.

In 2016 there was one piece of astrological evidence -- one easy, simple piece that anyone could discover by doing some research into astrological patterns associated with US Presidents. It is very interesting, but many astrologers just swiped it aside with, "Well, there's a first time for everything." It was that no one in the history of the US had been elected president who was born with Moon in Pisces. Not one out of 44 (and now 45). Hillary Clinton was born when Moon was in Pisces. There is a good reason why Moon in Pisces persons do not make good candidates for commander-in-chief of the world's largest military force. They're just not cut out for it. Decisiveness and internal fortitude is not their nature. Their personalities sooner or later show the internal uncertainty and lack of clear, unwavering identity; feelings change too easily; at times they are distant so as not to be unnecessarily emotional, and other times they are clearly too emotional or reliant on blind faith. They are prone to self-deception rather than facing the reality in front of them. And that played into the campaign decisions that kept Hillary Clinton from winning in 2016.

To overcome Moon in Pisces, a US presidential candidate would need specific factors that bolster stability of Moon (like sextiles or trines to Saturn or Pluto), and would need to show how they can turn compassion and imagination into strengths in reaching out to voters with empathy in a way that inspires trust.

A relatively easy research project taking a survey of Moon signs for US presidents shows where some significant patterns lie. This is a good start for research because you don't have to have the birth time, rising sign, or exact birth chart, just know the Moon sign.

However, anyone making a prediction based on a single astrological factor is engaging in garbage astrology -- phony baloney. I've seen all kinds of asinine notions as to why this candidate or that candidate will win, and at least about half the time they're wrong. I've been studying US presidential astrology for about 12 years and I still don't make predictions of elections. Fred Bickum has identified a number of different factors frequently found in the birth charts of US Presidents and not one of them or even a combination of several of them is a guarantee they will win. It totally depends on their opponent and the astrological conditions of the campaign season and election day. Most astrologers are too oriented to quick-and-easy pronouncements to bother with such research.

Sometimes it takes an astrologer who has some distance from the situation, like Ed Tamplin in Australia, to be more consistent at these types of predictions.

Ultimately, astrology isn't about predictions of events or outcomes for most of us. It's about insights into ourselves. I don't think astrology has anything to prove to anyone. Either you are open to it and benefit from it or you don't.

Also, there is plenty that is not set in stone. Let's not assume astrology necessarily requires determinism of outcomes with any given situation or election. Leave room for the unknown.