posted July 28, 2021 02:18 AM            

I hope my reading was helpful. I understand that if he's unreadable (Aqua) and detached(Hermit) it might not be quick or easy. Virgo season comes with the Hermit.

Thank you - I think ...
Your reading. I am getting the shivers. The one who I left behind because for all parties involved (both sides) it seemed prudent, he last sent me a photo of a snake! Which I thought was odd and left it alone.

The readers on YT are generic, they said addiction/obsession. I've maintained cut off from him but felt his energy. I shook it off as I was self delusional. Just not wanting to believe it. So from your reading he's out for vengeance? You saw nothing positive in that?

I hope I can avoid him if he's really in a dark energy. I'm

I looked for a group of Coffin-Path-Clouds
Didn't find path Included, I found this
"End of despair, end of secrecy. No more hiding. To drop all pretence."
Could that fit the energy if someone held back to the point of agitation? Wanting to finally let go.
I'm left in a quandary. I will not reach out to him. Between yours/yt readers, he may be out to get even for my slipping away.

posted July 28, 2021 03:09 AM            

Thank you - I think ...
Your reading. I am getting the shivers. The one who I left behind because for all parties involved (both sides) it seemed prudent, he last sent me a photo of a snake! Which I thought was odd and left it alone.
That's just creepy! I hate snaakes.

The readers on YT are generic, they said addiction/obsession. I've maintained cut off from him but felt his energy. I shook it off as I was self delusional. Just not wanting to believe it. So from your reading he's out for vengeance? You saw nothing positive in that?
I don't think he's out for vengeance, but it just doesn't seem like if he comes back in your life- it will be good or healthy.

I hope I can avoid him if he's really in a dark energy.
Maybe he thinks you can help him get out of that energy, but I didn't get the sense of that.

I looked for a group of Coffin-Path-Clouds
Didn't find path Included, I found this
"End of despair, end of secrecy. No more hiding. To drop all pretence."
Could that fit the energy if someone held back to the point of agitation? Wanting to finally let go.

posted July 28, 2021 03:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Saille:
Your reading was so hopeful, and I think we both need this quiet time to think.
I don't understand the cheating-especially bc he has a gf..so he does no how to commit-yet I don't know how she the gf wouldn't have some idea at this point, but maybe she knows and just doesn't care. In terms of intimacy he is someone that is highly sexaul
It's interesting bc his father was so much older than his mother..almost 30 years, and he has 7 siblings...and his father has children by other women while he was still with his mother.

Thank you - I think ...
Your reading. I am getting the shivers. The one who I left behind because for all parties involved (both sides) it seemed prudent, he last sent me a photo of a snake! Which I thought was odd and left it alone.
That's just creepy! I hate snaakes.

The readers on YT are generic, they said addiction/obsession. I've maintained cut off from him but felt his energy. I shook it off as I was self delusional. Just not wanting to believe it. So from your reading he's out for vengeance? You saw nothing positive in that?
I don't think he's out for vengeance, but it just doesn't seem like if he comes back in your life- it will be good or healthy.

I hope I can avoid him if he's really in a dark energy.
Maybe he thinks you can help him get out of that energy, but I didn't get the sense of that.

I looked for a group of Coffin-Path-Clouds
Didn't find path Included, I found this
"End of despair, end of secrecy. No more hiding. To drop all pretence."
Could that fit the energy if someone held back to the point of agitation? Wanting to finally let go.

I would believe he would want to let go if I saw more positive cards...but the mountain, clouds, moon, coffin, snake are such heavy, warning, look out cards...so I whatever he's looking for from you..it's almost like he wants you to help him delve deeper into that energy with him. Maybe he wants to apologize, but people don't really change, and if you left him previously on negative terms- and he hasn't change...I think overall I guess the sense that if he comes back..you'll end up going in circles, and back to the way things were...did he put you through emotional and mental hell?
Sometime the path is called the crossroad card number 22.

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Saille, ty for responding.

I created a 3of Swords dynamic several yrs ago. Which I didn't cross that line to become intimate. However there WAS from both of us a deeper connection. He didn't recognize unless he perceived it as passion between a man+woman. I was slipping outta my marriage. We lost my MIL the week before we met. It was a tragedy tbh. My husband took one plane, me another. I had to stay with my hubby after. This guy didn't feel "ready" to break away from parts of his life either.
I really wonder if he is my TF - after you read for me this reader drew the "Girl with the snake* http://youtu.be/ucP3gKbGsf4

posted July 28, 2021 04:28 AM            

Oh if you ghosted him..he's coming back for revenge...he's hoping to definitely get back at you 100%. I mean imagine getting the chance to talk to the person that ghosted you...and not wishing you could do the same to them...so absolutely he has a plan!

I feel better knowing his still feels strongly for me. But I don't think I'm out of the woods in terms of moving on from him, and hoping to reconcile in someway. I am seeing him on the 6th and 7th of next month for group parties for our class...but the last time we met we barely talked...and for the closeness we shared and the amount of time we spent together...it hurt me a lot that while i've been in NY, there was no attempt on his part to try to see him despite making myself clear that we need to keep it simple and no intimacy of any kind. So even without the romantic element, I do feel very betrayed as a friend for not wanting to see me.

So I'm just angry with him and hurt by him on so many levels, and his refusal to talk or clear things up is bringing me down still...and heading back to LA, I feel hopeless along with the loneliness that is going to kick in from no longer having classes or phone calls with him and me knowing that I need to not talk to him for him to see if I was important in his life...

posted July 28, 2021 04:53 AM            

"I'm just angry with him and hurt by him on so many levels, and his refusal to talk or clear things up is bringing me down still...and heading back to LA, I feel hopeless along with the loneliness that is going to kick in from no longer having classes or phone calls with him and me knowing that I need to not talk to him for him to see if I was important in his life..."

My past guy, from your reading, I wonder what he might plan. He's narcissistic if he doesn't realize I went through hell too. I certainly did.
That's what bothers me. Unless he feels I belong to him, I emphasize TO, not with because I sensed a possessive nature. I can't be certain but it was felt in the time of meeting.

posted July 28, 2021 05:57 AM            

[QUOTE]Originally posted by MoonMystic:
[B] The *distrust* showed up in the Q Of Swords card. The extra goblet (Magician), if he tosses it away leaving two, then how do you feel? Would that change your pov with him? Idk he will, it is a probability. Though it was one of two unplanned cards - Major Arcana. Does he know when you fly home to LA? Curious, was his Aqua Energy near the last Full moon?
That could create more layers to an outcome.

That is my biggest pain is the cheating..it's why there's so much fighting.I can't even call it that as we aren't even a couple...so yes if that went out the window-for me everything would be different...and maybe I should just take it as a sign..obviously if someone is cheating..and feel it's ok to flirt with other women..then their feelings for you don't really exist...and they don't want you in a romantic way...and maybe it's as simple as that..he's just not that into me...and I can accept and at least know that I am going to heal and move on from it...then having everything up in the air.

I think he knows when I'm leaving- and I have the feeling he will be relieved or happier when I do leave. It's like the closer I am to him..the further he's away..like he's hiding so many things he thinks I will find out and not be happy about.
One thing he was worried about was his height..he told me he was 5'9...then it became 5'7...then we meet in person and I'm taller than him and i'm 5'6 and 3/4...though that didn't bother me...I think it might bother him... and can't help but think he has other unchangeable things about him that he thinks might bother me.

Was his Aqua Energy near the last Full moon?
The emperor energy?
H'es the 3rd Aqua guy I've dealt with and all names starting with J, and Aquarius is in my 11th house of friendship with 0 placement.

The crazy thing is that his ASC is Libra, mine Aries...and he has saturn in his 7th house meaning he might marry someone older- most of the women he's dated are older than him- and it's bc he looks older..like in his 30.

His vertex is in my ASC as as mine is in his ASC
His moon conjunct my chiron as does his chiron conjunct my moon and pluto both in scorpio..and you mentioned issue with intimacy on his part..and I thought about his chiron in my 8th house of scorpio which is his 2n house.
His Mars is in Libra-my 7th house while my venus is in Aries his 7th house
Our houses in the natal chart are all sister signs
Aries-Libra
Taurus-Scorpio and so on.It sounds like a good match...but I believe I'm suppose to marry someone older than myself..or maybe just marry when I'm older since my saturn is in my 8th house.

posted July 28, 2021 01:14 PM            

 The "cheating" (flirting) is not something you may be able to get around (you're Ari), the already done offenses. If you carry them in your memories, it might create some insecurity within the weaving of an upcoming union. Unless he were to absolutely reform that side of himself. Was he a big flirt before you come to NY? Any idea if this is part of his natural behaviour? 
The fliriting would have to cease but if it's second nature, that's something you might want to pay attention to. Aquarian  people are known to flirt. Or seem to. I think it depends upon the individual. 

  He has feelings but his need to get attention, even unknowingly, in general, may be the trouble. He seems to have built himself up (height) and maybe he's
afraid and it could be about the fantasy (mystery) being over. You met him, are around the "in person" version of him. He might feel
vulnerable with you seeing him for "him". His knee jerk reaction may be "to flirt". A sort of deflecting side effect to his own insecurities?
He may not be relieved after you leave but maybe he already feels a certain way creating his own block. Thinking it's a "no" go before it had opportunity to launch.

  Interesting about his Saturn 7th. He may need an experienced lady to be with, married to. That could be why he's in your story (chart). He might feel unmatched with those who are his peers. Needing the maturity to help guide him, show compassion and he in turn reminds them of being young minded, enthusiastic. You being Aries are young at heart and adventurous.

Aquarius in you chart, it's emphasized, have you looked at Arabic Parts in both your charts? Those are extra pizzazz in the "activation key" category. As the Vertex/AC is a hint you two will be meaningful to one another, moreso him. Vertex is a lesson in sorts, it can link couples from what I understand.  I've  not read a lot on that though.

Your Chiron is attracting him emotionally,  you soothe him. Feed a part of him he has to feel, recognize this in some way.
 8/2 are relationship axis houses. Often you older of the two has the 8th. This *could carry on awhile. You're friends, which it can take time for many couples to finally slow down and see things they may take for granted in the other (aside from sex, physical attraction), things undiscovered of the other until time passes.

  All that you do is up to you. If wanted to, I think the remedy could be a lot of communication about behavior,  wishes,  goals fantasy/reality, future/growth. If you two can work out some kinks early on it might be a very smooth transition between this awkward/angry period to a more comfortable, calm, relating period. It may be all transits to blame for much of this. His flirting might be ramped up during particular ones maybe? If he isn't awaare he comes across as flirting, with communication,  he can absolutely, if he CARES enough,  can self examine and revise his behavior.  This is part of growth. Which in a duo as you two are, growth is part of your pairing.

   Re my old story, If he tries to return to woo me, I'll have no open line of communication to him. I'm  not interested in games.My leaving was not a game,  I left him in the past, thinking he should had been happy w/ someone available and more aligned with his dreams had room to arrive in the picture. Like J, he might have been into me due to the fantasy factor - then we met. My drama came along.
That is one reason why I vanished. I wasn't fair to not release one door and insert myself in another. Before my husband's mom died (there was no money  motivating me, we are actually not too well off, his mother had nothing)  it was about loyalty. The friendship went a long time between us, his mom's death broke him - tbh my almost leaving shattered him. It clouded his emotions for his mom, I had to be there for  him. I'm  rambling. I tried to do the right thing. It was a mess no matter the decision.

posted July 29, 2021 05:10 PM            

Unless he were to absolutely reform that side of himself. Was he a big flirt before you come to NY? Any idea if this is part of his natural behaviour? 

I think he’s just a great conversationalist-and so many girls in the class may take it the wrong way-as him flirty. But if you are committed-then it’s something you have to learn to control-the kinds of conversations you have with people, and I just don’t think he understands it yet, and likely feels like a constraint to him or me controlling him.


  He has feelings but his need to get attention, even unknowingly, in general, may be the trouble. He seems to have built himself up (height) and maybe he's
afraid and it could be about the fantasy (mystery) being over. You met him, are around the "in person" version of him. He might feel
vulnerable with you seeing him for "him". His knee jerk reaction may be "to flirt". A sort of deflecting side effect to his own insecurities?

He is definitely someone who loves attention -no matter who it’s coming from..and I will say he does the same to everyone-men and women.


He may not be relieved after you leave but maybe he already feels a certain way creating his own block. Thinking it's a "no" go before it had opportunity to launch.

  Interesting about his Saturn 7th. He may need an experienced lady to be with, married to. That could be why he's in your story (chart). He might feel unmatched with those who are his peers. Needing the maturity to help guide him, show compassion and he in turn reminds them of being young minded, enthusiastic. You being Aries are young at heart and adventurous.

I think that is a huge part of it. He is the youngest of 7th-and use to be taken care of by his family.

Aquarius in you chart, it's emphasized, have you looked at Arabic Parts in both your charts? Those are extra pizzazz in the "activation key" category. As the Vertex/AC is a hint you two will be meaningful to one another, moreso him.

Haven’t checked out Arabic Parts yet, but what should I be looking for?

Vertex is a lesson in sorts, it can link couples from what I understand.  I've  not read a lot on that though.

It’s interesting-looking it up..vertex conjuncts Ascendant-Vertex: When someone's Vertex is conjunct your Ascendant, your Vertex is conjunct their Ascendant. This is an indicator of an intense attraction. The two of you may easily stay together for the rest of your lives because of the intense attachment you feel for one another…so we’ll see.

Your Chiron is attracting him emotionally,  you soothe him. Feed a part of him he has to feel, recognize this in some way.
 8/2 are relationship axis houses. Often you older of the two has the 8th. This *could carry on awhile.

I'm glad to know a part of me does attract him-it often feels like I have nothing he likes.

You're friends, which it can take time for many couples to finally slow down and see things they may take for granted in the other (aside from sex, physical attraction), things undiscovered of the other until time passes.
God- I don’t know if I have the patience for it!

  All that you do is up to you. If wanted to, I think the remedy could be a lot of communication about behavior,  wishes,  goals fantasy/reality, future/growth. If you two can work out some kinks early on it might be a very smooth transition between this awkward/angry period to a more comfortable, calm, relating period. It may be all transits to blame for much of this. His flirting might be ramped up during particular ones maybe? If he isn't awaare he comes across as flirting, with communication,  he can absolutely, if he CARES enough,  can self examine and revise his behavior.  This is part of growth. Which in a duo as you two are, growth is part of your pairing.

I do think I’m understanding us better..in that he is there to cheat me to be less ridge, and I’m an there to show him the difference between friendship, relationship, and loyalty…and it’s not going well for now.

He actually called me 3 times yesterday, and just talked about acting…and I still want to say those things to him via text..but struggling…but I think I’ll wait till I get back in LA. But I’m also learning to not take his calls and make it a priority like I’ve done before. I just don’t know what he wants from me…why he needs /wants to talk to me all the time if he has a gf.


   Re my old story, If he tries to return to woo me, I'll have no open line of communication to him. I'm  not interested in games.My leaving was not a game,  I left him in the past, thinking he should had been happy w/ someone available and more aligned with his dreams had room to arrive in the picture. Like J, he might have been into me due to the fantasy factor - then we met. My drama came along.
That is one reason why I vanished. I wasn't fair to not release one door and insert myself in another. Before my husband's mom died (there was no money  motivating me, we are actually not too well off, his mother had nothing)  it was about loyalty. The friendship went a long time between us, his mom's death broke him - tbh my almost leaving shattered him. It clouded his emotions for his mom, I had to be there for  him. I'm  rambling. I tried to do the right thing. It was a mess no matter the decision.

Added after above was written.
I'm actually feeling the unfinished ending really creep in and it makes me sad AF. Feeling pretty ucky and wish the whole thing had never happened. There's a huge part of me stuck - back there and *if he's trying to woo me soon to ghost me* - that is cruel - sadistic. To us all really. Unless his feelings were never real.
What is it about the heart Saille, that really is the one betraying us? 😩

posted July 29, 2021 11:20 PM            

J
Lot = ASC + DSC - Venus
Lot = 185°38’ + 5°38’ - 314°52’
Lot = -124°24’ = 236°24’ (-124°24’ + 360°) = 26°24’ + 210°

Lot = Scorpio 26°24’ - in the 2nd house

posted July 29, 2021 11:59 PM            

Part Of Nemesis - because DC is loves&enemies. Have to be sure.

Then House 7 Themes -
Marriage of Man, Marriage of Woman, Marriage

If you decide to further research there are plenty others.

posted July 31, 2021 01:56 AM            

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Originally posted by MoonMystic:
Oh wow. Saillie, I need to catch up with your msg. I'm sending this through wuickly, Arabic parts are avail with the pull down chart options. - Arabic Parts are renamed "Arabic Points - Al Biruni" under the [b]Chart Drawing Style pull dwn option.
Set that option and render the chart.

Then on the pdf you can get them. The most useful would be house of relationship/love.
Here's a few~

Part Of Nemesis - because DC is loves&enemies. Have to be sure.

Then House 7 Themes -
Marriage of Man, Marriage of Woman, Marriage

If you decide to further research there are plenty others.

I'll bbs with my response. Kind of multitasking tonight. [/B]

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Which site am I using to find this?

Thank you!!

posted July 31, 2021 02:39 AM            

Sorry. I didn't mean to not come back.
Got caught up in some projects.

I'll edit the response when n here Saille. <3
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posted July 31, 2021 04:04 AM            

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Originally posted by MoonMystic:
http://Astrodienst.com

Sorry. I didn't mean to not come back.
Got caught up in some projects.

I'll edit the response when n here Saille. <3
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Did you delete the lastest one??

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posted July 31, 2021 04:29 AM            

Part of Marriage Lot = Libra -22°40’ - in the 7th house Venus
Part of Self P1 Lot = Virgo - 5°21’ - in the 5th house
Part of other P7 Lot = Libra -22°40’ - in the 7th house Venus

posted July 31, 2021 06:09 AM            

There weren't anspect between them-but also remember the pdf format was free at one point and really don't want to pay.
I did read up on the DC and that makes a little more sense with us having turned charts- but I don't get the sense he's my enemy -things between us happened so unexpectedly and I can usually feel a person's negative energy.

Yea- sorry, I mentioned it in the long post -He actually called me 3 times yesterday, and just talked about acting…and I still want to say those things to him via text..but struggling…but I think I’ll wait till I get back in LA. But I’m also learning to not take his calls and make it a priority like I’ve done before.I had to write a speech for our class- and he texted afterwards that it was beautiful...
I just don’t know what he wants from me…why he needs /wants to talk to me all the time if he has a gf.

posted July 31, 2021 07:01 AM            

Has he had the gf long? I can't understand that either except is it a proximity thing? He is more needful of certain aspects and she's nearby?