posted December 10, 2021 10:00 PM            

But as a whole whats this t-square actually saying?

Ty x

posted December 11, 2021 04:56 AM            

In your case, this is the Sun/Mercury in Aquarius 11th house.
The apex planet in a t-square tends to overcompensate and tends to be very strong in the natives personality/character as a whole, by sign and house.
So do you strongly identify with your friends and the groups/causes you support? Are your friends a major source of comfort for you? Do you always FEEL (moon-Pluto) less stressed or chaotic/overwhelmed when you are with them? Do your friends always help you when you’re not feeling good or give you good advice (mercury) when you open up to them about your moon-Pluto stuff aka intense emotions or difficult relationship with your mother etc.
Do your friends give you more of a sense of belonging than your own mother or family?

There’s tons of ways this can manifest in your life and character. Just throwing around ideas lol

Hope this helps let me know

posted December 11, 2021 05:07 AM            

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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:
Apex planet is the focus/outlet to a t-square, it’s the solution/release point to the stress of the opposition planets. It’s your “escape” in a way from the uncomfortableness of your moon-Pluto fighting.

In your case, this is the Sun/Mercury in Aquarius 11th house.
The apex planet in a t-square tends to overcompensate and tends to be very strong in the natives personality/character as a whole, by sign and house.
So do you strongly identify with your friends and the groups/causes you support? Are your friends a major source of comfort for you? Do you always FEEL (moon-Pluto) less stressed or chaotic/overwhelmed when you are with them? Do your friends always help you when you’re not feeling good or give you good advice (mercury) when you open up to them about your moon-Pluto stuff aka intense emotions or difficult relationship with your mother etc.
Do your friends give you more of a sense of belonging than your own mother or family?

There’s tons of ways this can manifest in your life and character. Just throwing around ideas lol

Hope this helps let me know

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posted December 11, 2021 06:04 AM            

You could try changing house systems as well. Try equal or whole, and see if that changes things or resonates more

I’m not an expert on t-squares in the natal, I mainly specialize in Interpersonal Astrology, Synastry and composites lol so hopefully someone else will chime in and give you some more ideas 😊.

11th can also represent your dreams/wishes/aspirations, it’s a very optimistic/hopeful house and future orientated and a social/group/humanitarian house.
Does any of that resonate with you?

posted December 11, 2021 11:11 AM            

Restrictions.
This is an example:
You might have loads of acquaintances,
yet the inner circle of those that your heart can truly consider as your true 'friends' might be smaller in number.
Think Quality not quantity.

I'm also going to include in this example the aspect you have going from Saturn 11th to your Jupiter rx 6th House.

Saturn can also be a sign that you naturally {unconsciously} tend to automatically take on more of the work-responsibility within your networked group of associations, than some belonging-individuals are willing to perform.
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Reminds me of classes from my high school years.

The teacher would assign a 'group project'. The teacher will assign ONE grade that is to be "shared" by each member OF that group, on their student record.

And, you are given no choice of 'who' will be your work-partners on the team.

In a way I always thought this to be very unfair.

There are lazy students who will take advantage and lay-back and do NOTHING to participate because they 'know' that the best students (who work HARD for making high grades) are in a situation of being 'forced' to pick-up their share of work! --

Therefore, the lazy ones profit from such situations. The best student(s) must accept more responsibility because they have an interest in keeping-up their 'own' (ego's) good grades.

It's hard when you're a "responsible one" and the others in the group instantly-know it and will take unfair advantage of that situation-- if they have poor morals, with a tendency to be dishonest?

As I think on that now, decades later--
the real lesson in that situation was a test of leadership abilities.
* To have been good at your motivational skills,
* To be able to discern team member's abilities, making good and fair assessments of the capabilities of each team member.
* To have a sense of 'what was fair' -- delegating pieces of the project TO the more-capable members.
* To instill a sense of inclusion among the members. Have them 'feel proud of' whatever effort they were called-out to lend in the group's endeavor.

It is a test of ego and pride?
Must be able to even lower your expectations, for the sake of others. It's not 'just-about' you--- you're a Team. (Hopefully) ALL will be doing their best-- from varying levels of abilities.

I was using a stark example above, as it lends itself to describe the dynamics of your other aspect---

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Jupiter Quincunx (Inconjunct) Saturn
Jupiter 6th House (jobs projects Work Unions)
Saturn 11th House (responsibility networks)
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You easily overextend yourself,
then wonder why others take advantage of you.
. .
Learning to see your real obligations without being talked into having an overblown picture of yourself is the way to success.
You can get in a trap of believing that 'only you' can do a certain task, thus you end up having to do it.
At root you may find the same item in your personality (that throws your self-picture askew) is that quality which causes you to develop a self-righteous attachment to your deeply held prejudices.
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ref http://cafeastrology.com/natal/quincunxinterpretations.html

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posted December 11, 2021 03:41 PM            

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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:
Are you sure your birthtime is totally accurate?

You could try changing house systems as well. Try equal or whole, and see if that changes things or resonates more

I’m not an expert on t-squares in the natal, I mainly specialize in Interpersonal Astrology, Synastry and composites lol so hopefully someone else will chime in and give you some more ideas 😊.

If not, double check your TOB just to be sure

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Bless you I appreciate your replies. I'm like you in that my "expertise" is more in the Interpersonal space but I'm using my own natal chart to try understand natals a little more to advance my understanding of synastry etc but yes TOB is 100% accurate and I know 11H is still in Aqua in whole signs but I'll play around a little more.

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11th can also represent your dreams/wishes/aspirations, it’s a very optimistic/hopeful house and future orientated and a social/group/humanitarian house.
Does any of that resonate with you? [/B]

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posted December 13, 2021 02:40 PM            

With my description of your Saturn I was blending in the effects of the Jupiter rx quincunx at same time.

Yeah.. Saturn 11th is known for its effects of keeping a smaller group of true-friends over the course of your life.

Also gives you favor with Older People.
For example, work involving nursing homes with group of Elderly people.

Your 'on-line' Friends would be represented there, too.

By the way-- do you realize you are experiencing your SATURN Return right now?

That could be highlighting the conditions of that 11th House.

posted December 13, 2021 11:49 PM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
Thanks for your response.

With my description of your Saturn I was blending in the effects of the Jupiter rx quincunx at same time.

Yeah.. Saturn 11th is known for its effects of keeping a smaller group of true-friends over the course of your life.

Also gives you favor with Older People.
For example, work involving nursing homes with group of Elderly people.

Your 'on-line' Friends would be represented there, too.

By the way-- do you realize you are experiencing your SATURN Return right now?

That could be highlighting the conditions of that 11th House.

Your Sun-Mercury Aquarius 22+ are ON some fixed stars there.

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Yes it's been quite an uneventful Saturn return for me thus far! There still some time to go so let's see if anything changes.