posted January 18, 2022 08:30 PM            

Tell me the bad so I can make it into the good.

posted January 19, 2022 09:04 PM            

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Do you want 100% complete honesty?

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posted January 19, 2022 11:17 PM            

You have several markers in combo* that if your chart is very accurate, point to a rather entrenched and deep self centeredness/self focus. Strongly self centered people always have a hard time in relationships. They try to change the other person to suit what they want, and yet won't budge to change themselves to better adapt to their partner/the relationship. Or, they are overly demanding, overly needy, put down and/or criticize the partner too much, and/or other behaviors that tend to push people away from them. And no matter how much they think they want and/or "give" love, much of the time they are fooling themselves, but really are more so seeking ego props or to get others more attached to them.

* The markers: Stronger Aries than is apparent on the surface, through a combo of Aries Saturn Rising, Asc very closely cusping Aries, and Taurus Sun moderately cusping Aries. Saturn itself is quite highlighted in your chart, and one of the archetypal differences between Saturn and Capricorn and Aquarius, is that Saturn connects a lot more to fear/ego/selfishness as well as materialism than these Signs which are more service and spiritual oriented.

Then you have very strong Taurus, besides the moderately strong Aries and rather strong Saturn. Taurus is nearly as self focused/centered as Aries, just a lot more passive and quiet about it than Aries tends to be. Where Aries can be almost obnoxiously self centered at times, Taurus can be almost seductive and attractive with their self centered side. It's almost like a magnetic pull where their energy beckons, "Oh, you know you want to feed me grapes and fan your Goddess".

Then you have South Node conjunct your Asc, which is a lot like South Node in the 1st (i.e. strong past life focus on self in some way or form. Perhaps you have a self in your mix/blend of Soul aspects that was a spiritual leader/teacher type that received a lot of attention and become overly focused on the attention and started to forget the service part?).

You have fast vibratory indications that do or should balance some of the above out, such as the Pisces Asc, highlighted Aquarius, highlighted 12th, highlighted Venus, Sun in the 1st, etc. Hence, like most, you are more of a blend rather than being super polarized to one side like a narcissistic, sociopathic, or psychopathic type personality. However, when your Expanded self made your Soul by mixing together the memories, energetics, etc from other Souls and their lifetimes within your Expanded self, it did stick a particularly slow vibratory experience (and aspects of self) in there, which is represented by the Saturn in the 1st. This part of you is VERY control and fear oriented. It would be well for you to become more conscious of that lifetime/self aspect, forgive it, and ask for help in healing and raising your vibration.

More specifically for relationships, you have Scorpio Moon in the 8th. This indicates there is a very strong and deep desire to merge very intensely and fully with a partner, especially emotionally and energetically-sexually. But at the same time, I have noticed in people with such combos, that there is also a simultaneous deep, unconscious fear of being vulnerable, especially emotionally with others.

You cannot have that merging without becoming naked and vulnerable to another. As long as those fears remain in the shadow and unconscious, you will keep partaking in the pull-push with partners and/or you will attract/be attracted to that in other partners.

posted January 20, 2022 12:20 AM            

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They try to change the other person to suit what they want, and yet won't budge to change themselves to better adapt to their partner/the relationship.

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I immediately cringed and thought, "But I don't want to lose myself." Sure, minor compromises are cool, but when does adaptation become changing yourself too much for an impermanent thing (a relationship) versus respecting the compass of who you are? Something to work on there.

And here:

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Where Aries can be almost obnoxiously self centered at times, Taurus can be almost seductive and attractive with their self centered side. It's almost like a magnetic pull where their energy beckons, "Oh, you know you want to feed me grapes and fan your Goddess".

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I thought, "Well, I like being that way." Lmao!
Can't be all too bad, can it?

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:...it did stick a particularly slow vibratory experience (and aspects of self) in there, which is represented by the Saturn in the 1st. This part of you is VERY control and fear oriented. It would be well for you to become more conscious of that lifetime/self aspect, forgive it, and ask for help in healing and raising your vibration. [/B]

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I always thought it was my 1st house stellium which made me so self-focused, so it's interesting to hear it's one of the things that's saving me, lol. But my intense self-focus was never pure selfishness. One half is that my childhood and adolescence of intense isolation produced intense self-awareness, and also there was nothing and no one to interact with except myself and my thoughts on who I thought I was and would become to be. Other half is to use it in desire for others -- to connect, to share wisdom, to feel deeply and openly.

posted January 20, 2022 10:06 PM            

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I'm going to try to get back to you tomorrow evening (and if not then, then the weekend)

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posted January 22, 2022 02:28 PM            

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I've had few friendships and relationships in my life -- due to a long-standing isolated upbringing and now a global pandemic -- so I truly only have my immediate family members, one close friend I've made before in the past, and trying to imagine myself in the future to compare my experiences with your fabulous analysis. But, I think you're right. Well, I know you are, because as soon as you said this:

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I'm somewhat pained to hear about your isolated upbringing--that must have been tough in some ways. I'm curious in what way(s) it was like that. Like actual physical distance and proximity, such as living in Alaska, or more psychologically speaking?

Mine was too, but in a different way than the norm/usual. Imagine dropping off an odd ET from a world very, very different than earth/humans, and sticking it in a male human body, and saying, "well try to fit in as best as you can..." In other words, there is no real fitting in, especially when others can sense/feel that difference and tend to react at least strongly, to negatively to it (as most have done, especially during childhood--was bullied a lot).

But in your case, I don't think it only comes from that upbringing/current conditions, but also from other life influences as well.

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I immediately cringed and thought, "But I don't want to lose myself." Sure, minor compromises are cool, but when does adaptation become changing yourself too much for an impermanent thing (a relationship) versus respecting the compass of who you are? Something to work on there.

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Like so many things in life, it is more about balance. There is of course nothing wrong with having one's own mind, own interests, desires, wants, needs, etc, and one doesn't want to go to the opposite extreme and lose themselves in a relationship and/or be dominated by the partner. I was more speaking to avoiding the tendency of, "it's my way or the highway most of the time" that could become likely with such as chart as yours. Compromise, caring out the partner's needs, and learning to adapt is very much part of the North Node conjunct 7th journey, similar in some respects to Libra North Node.

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I thought, "Well, I like being that way." Lmao!
Can't be all too bad, can it?

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Hah, I bet! No, it's not all bad. Its especially nice for sexy time with a guy or partner (like myself) that really enjoys pleasuring their partner. (When my partner experiences pleasure, it amplifies my own pleasure--it is both an empathy/psychic connection and ego thing simultaneously).

But have you seen the show American Gods at all? The character Bilquis is a very Taurean type archetype (perhaps with some also strong Pluto and/or Scorpio background as well). But she brings that Taurean selfishness to the extreme, where ultimately it becomes far more about fulfilling her needs than the partner. I mean, sure, those men are dying "happy", but had they known before hand that during sex with her they would be swallowed by her via her yoni..pretty sure most of them would have said, "um yeah, thanks but no thanks". And while she is gorgeous and super attractive holistically, and I personally would be tempted nonetheless, ultimately I would also say, "no thanks". It's almost a metaphor for relationships between a "normie" with the more rare, agreeable/attractive narcissist (which I seem to attract/be attracted to).

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I think I agree. I think this control manifests particularly as difficulty with full-on, full-force emotional vulnerability as my intense Scorpio moon desires. But again, who knows? I have very limited experience and who knows what else deep down I want to control. I doubt it's a partner -- all that Taurus is squared by Uranus, I need freedom too! -- but I guess I'll find out. Though, I can tell I'm aging out of some things and growing overall. You know, 1st House Profection years and all.

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Ah, Uranus's cry for and insistence on freedom, is also often a self centered one as well. Also, Uranus is different than Aquarius in some important ways. Aquarius is generally a more balanced and centered symbol and energy than Uranus. Aquarius both gives and wants a certain amount of healthy freedom. But Uranus goes to extremes and bounces back and forth. Uranus, believe it or not, can at times manifest as intense emotional based clinginess/neediness just as much as say Moon, South Node, Cancer, Scorpio or Pluto, but then can "flip a switch" and become icily detached--even far more than Aquarius--almost at times in a cruel way. Like, "I'm cutting you off, just because it suits me and how my ego is temporarily feeling right now".

Uranus really shouldn't be on the pedestal that it is often put on by the astrological community at large. Edgar Cayce was a Uranian (his predominant/strongest indicator), and his own guidance had to criticize him when his tendencies towards extremism were going to far, too much. He was very much a personality that ran very hot and cold in many ways. Overall he was a warm, caring, and loving person, but even his son noted about him, (paraphrased from memory) "I have never met anyone in my life that could be in the same room with you, and yet be so far away and distant, as if he was not there at all, as my father."

He was an extremist in all things. For example, he loved movies, and would go see movies for many times in a row for awhile, but then not see them for a very long time. He smoked, but like a chimney stack. It was up and down, black to white and to the extremes in all things for him. Uranus is also far more emotionally intense than many seem to realize, because most overly associate it with Aquarius and Aquarian like emotional detachment. Like I said, Uranus can and does go there, but it can also feel and experience emotions like Moon, Cancer, Scorpio, and/or Pluto does, when it is in its emotional phase.

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I always thought it was my 1st house stellium which made me so self-focused, so it's interesting to hear it's one of the things that's saving me, lol. But my intense self-focus was never pure selfishness. One half is that my childhood and adolescence of intense isolation produced intense self-awareness, and also there was nothing and no one to interact with except myself and my thoughts on who I thought I was and would become to be. Other half is to use it in desire for others -- to connect, to share wisdom, to feel deeply and openly.

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Yeah, that is a common misconception that I have run across before. People mistake the House of self as like an Aries pattern of self focus. No, in that sense, it is a neutral amplifier. If say someone has say Jupiter and Neptune conjunct and Rising in their chart, chances are, you would find them to be extremely Piscean like (and probably a lot more than a lot of actual Pisces Suns) and towards the more selfless and sacrificial end of the spectrum than highly self focused/centered. All depends on the nature of the Planet(s) that are getting amplified. It's harder to read when it is very mixed though and say you have a comb of slow vibratory, mid vibratory, and fast vibratory symbols all in there, like you do.

Saturn, like Uranus, is not fully understood in mainstream astrological circles. It was not considered a malefic by the ancients just because its cycles tended to correlate with difficult and upsetting experiences, but also because when predominant in the Natal chart of individuals, it tends towards correlating with a character that is prone towards a base and separative selfishness and materialism if not counter balanced strongly by strong Venus, Neptune, Jupiter, and/or Sun (these being the mid to faster vibratory symbols of our little system). In that sense, Saturn is different than both Capricorn and Aquarius. I happen to think that Uranus also co-rules Capricorn, and I have very good reasons for that perception, but its too long to go into in this reply. If you're curious, I can address it later.

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Funny on your note about deterring away from Plutonic partners and more Virgo ones. Guess what my NN is...Virgo! Ha!

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I would amend that to, "and more Virgoian like ones", but really, if we understand that Planetary indications tend to be stronger than Signs, its really important to look at that Mercury conjunct Sun and Venus in your chart, since there is no Planet in your 7th directly. Especially the Venus conjunct Mercury (and both in a Venus ruled Sign) along with Virgo Desc so closely cusping Libra, leads me to think that they are likely to be even more Libran and/or Venus than even Virgo, overall.

Then also either the Sun and/or Leo will likely be moderately to strongly highlighted in their chart as well, since your Desc ruler is conjunct Sun. But all in all, likely some blend of either strong Libra and/or Venus, Virgo, and Sun and/or Leo will be noticed in their chart.

Funny, but you and I both have Virgo NN/Pisces SN, but at opposite ends of the Signs (mine at the beginning cusping the preceding Signs), and also in opposite Houses. Where your SN is conjunct your Asc, my SN is in my 7th. Because your NN/SN axis is so closely conjunct your Desc/Asc axis, you really should read it primarily, if not completely, for these, rather than 12th-6th.

Also strange is that your birthday is the same as someones who was very near and dear to one of my Higher/Expanded self's other Soul selves that I'm very energetically/karmically tied to.

Also, your chart has a lot of similarities to that woman and her chart that I have talked about here and there in the past.

I don't know if the above means anything or not, but I stopped being a coincidence theorist a long time ago.

posted January 22, 2022 09:37 PM            

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I'm somewhat pained to hear about your isolated upbringing--that must have been tough in some ways. I'm curious in what way(s) it was like that. Like actual physical distance and proximity, such as living in Alaska, or more psychologically speaking?

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I had a great, normal social childhood, but I was homeschooled for most of middle and all of high school, and I was intensely lonely as a result. I was always destined to become a very insightful person, I feel (I don't know a way to say that without sounding braggadocious, but I don't mean it in that way), but it's also what created the intense self-analysis - while a great blessing in many ways - as a coping mechanism for not having much life experience to go off of. College was a breeze, thankfully, but just those few short years of isolation left many gaps in my life and created a strong habit for maladaptive daydreaming because of it (Neptune as chart ruler and Sun/Mercury sq. Neptune, anyone?), which is finally starting to permanently dissipate as I go through this very strong rebirth in this time of my life. (1st House profection year, Uranus in Taurus dancing all over my Taurus and Scorpio placements, etc. I'm very grateful for it, though.)

How about you? Do you still feel disconnected, separate? I'm sure you'll always feel special/singled out as you obviously have strong psychic knowing and gifts, but I hope at least the bullying's stopped.

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
Compromise, caring out the partner's needs, and learning to adapt is very much part of the North Node conjunct 7th journey, similar in some respects to Libra North Node.

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Ah, so that's what my Libra Chiron in the 7H is for. How funny. You know, I just typed out my little backstory, and it just occurred to me that the lack of non-familial relationships in childhood is one tie to Libra Chiron, the pain of lack of connections. Wonder what else this placement has in store for me.

But overall, yes, I agree with you. I would say I'm more balanced than a "my way or the highway" type of person. So, whew.

Re: that Tauruean sexual/sensual selfishness. Nah, not me. Being served is often nice, of course, but my Virgo Mars likes equal partnerships in bed too much. Or back and forths at least.

My chart is funny. And it seems like it's saving me from my own self, so, thanks, chart! My strong Uranian nature likes freedom, values innovation, needs alone time...but then that strong Scorpio in my chart swoops in and demands closeness, merging, vulnerability. I love it, actually. Instead of producing a type of oscillation effect, I think it gives me two different energies to work with and blend into something healthy and balanced. Which of course will get even better as I mature and learn to do this in a way that's healthy and happy for me and for my partner.

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
I happen to think that Uranus also co-rules Capricorn, and I have very good reasons for that perception, but its too long to go into in this reply. If you're curious, I can address it later.

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Then also either the Sun and/or Leo will likely be moderately to strongly highlighted in their chart as well, since your Desc ruler is conjunct Sun. But all in all, likely some blend of either strong Libra and/or Venus, Virgo, and Sun and/or Leo will be noticed in their chart.

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You keep trying to push me to the Libras! Lol! No, I don't even think I've closely interacted with any Libra men so I don't know why I'm acting biased. I'll stay open-minded (if they stay faithful!)

Where the Leo come from? That's unexpected. But I will say matches up accurately with some Vedic spouse indicators in my chart, aka, he will have a strong Sun. Makes sense for strong Leo to be there in tropical as well.

Virgos? Again, haven't had much experience with them. Observing Virgo male celebrities though, I will say they seem a bit...sexless? Too repressed? (And then who wants to know what they're repressing. *shivers*) Idk. I remember having a lot of Virgo crushes as a girl, but then I aged out of them and they haven't really turned my head since. (God, do you know who had my "heart" for the longest, and lowkey, still kind of does? Mark Ruffalo. But if you look at his chart, it shouldn't be a surprise why, lol. But, anyway.)

But I do like their level-minded nature, helpfulness, and groundedness. As long as it doesn't turn to anal-ness and they have some spicy earthiness and Pluto thrown in for good measure, then I'll be good to go! (That's the whole thing that started attracting me to Hugh Jackman, you know. I out of the sudden started being aware of that deep Jupiter/Pluto in him and it totally opened my eyes to him, which made me start appreciating and learning more about those Libran traits. Beyond being entertained by it on the surface (I'm still a goofy person and I love to laugh and love wittiness), on a deeper level, I think that'd be the only thing that'll make that Libran light-heartedness attractive to me, knowing there's something deeper underneath it all.

But, oh, you say I need to outgrow my 5H needs. But Scorpio rules my 8H as well, and 8H also seems like eternal needs to me, right? I know for sure if I don't have strong emotional vulnerability and spiritual love with a partner, it will not work for me long-term and definitely not a marriage.

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
Because your NN/SN axis is so closely conjunct your Desc/Asc axis, you really should read it primarily, if not completely, for these, rather than 12th-6th.

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Sorry, I didn't understand you here.

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Also strange is that your birthday is the same as someones who was very near and dear to one of my Higher/Expanded self's other Soul selves that I'm very energetically/karmically tied to.

Also, your chart has a lot of similarities to that woman and her chart that I have talked about here and there in the past.

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posted January 22, 2022 11:33 PM            

Oh, wasn't aware of your Libra Chiron in the 7th. Yes, that can factor in too, but I was more pointing to how your North Node is closely conjunct your Descendant, which means it should be more read like North Node in the 7th, rather than the 6th. That was what I was also saying when later you said you didn't understand about my comments about the 6th-12th axis. Anytime we have a symbol closely conjunct an Angle, which are incredibly sensitive areas, it should be read more in connection to that Angle rather than even if it is "technically" still in the 6th or 12th. If it's a fairly wide conjunction, like 5 degrees plus, then you can read some for that other House in combo with the Angle.

I'll save the Capricorn--Uranus connection for a later reply, after this one.

Glad to hear that you are more balanced than the my way or the highway type. While Taurus can definitely be self centered/focused, it is more agreeable than Aries or Mars type energies, especially when Venus is also strong in that person's chart, like it is in yours.

The Leo and/or Sun is a potential since your Desc ruler, Mercury, is not only conjunct Venus, but also the Sun if I remember correctly (your chart is not showing up anymore so I'm going by memory at this point). There are differences between Leo and Solar energy, but since Solar energy is potentially so fast vibratory/expanded--it's pretty rare to actually see "as is". We're talking like people with golden light auras and stuff and not too many humans with that. So often, highlighted Sun gets used/channeled in a more stepped down, lower octave, Leo like way, which is much more slow vibratory and material focused than the Sun "as is".

So likely that 7th House type partner(s) for you, will have strong Sun and/or Leo in their chart since it is fairly closely conjunct your Desc ruler. But all in all, the nod is going to go most towards Venus and/or Libra--most likely a combo of the two, and of course with also Virgo and/or Virgo like attunement, which btw, doesn't mean it has to literally be Virgo itself. It could show up as say strong Earth combined with simultaneously strong Mercury. Astrology is quite relative when it comes to this stuff.

Mark Ruffalo eh? He seems to have a nice vibe all in all. Would say he is probably at least a middle aged soul so to speak. If I was connected to a female body or gay, I'd probably find him somewhat attractive, I think. But my "man crushes" are more along the lines of Clive Owen, Viggo Mortensen, and Bono. I thought the dude who played Michael from the original Lost Boys was super good looking, but he also seemed somewhat 2 dimensional, so no deeper interest.

Yes, I was referring to the woman who "got away" and literally haunts my dreams (well occasionally at least). What I think it is likely about, is more about a larger synchronicity pattern, because supposedly according to the paid intuitive readings and the free tarot readings that I sometimes watch (as well as internal guidance), we may reunite again.

That I'm having a fairly positive, deep, communicative interaction with another woman that has such a similar chart as hers, may just be a "sign" from the Universe that maybe all the above is true and maybe someday communication between her and I also will become more open, vulnerable, and loving. Vulnerability and full openness with her, especially in relation to me, is one of her biggest challenges.

For whatever reason(s), she tends to keep A LOT to herself, and has very deep fears of being emotionally vulnerable--especially to men (and me especially). It is understandable from both a past life and current life trauma respect. What I've gotten from going within is that we had a direct, literal last life together wherein we became VERY close/merged, but despite our very deep and intense love, I decided to leave the earth (and thus also her), which deeply upset and confused her. Left her with major, major abandonment issues.

In this life as a child, she was sexually molested by an adult male, and then later had some other, less intense, but still difficult experiences with male peers during high-school. Both of these two lifetime experiences left deep scars on her as far as trust, vulnerability in relation to men in general and especially towards me.

She has a Scorpio Moon/early Sag Pluto/IC conjunction. Her late Aries Sun cusping Taurus strongly is in her 8th House and conjunct
very early Taurus Mercury and 5*South Node. She has Virgo Asc with as mentioned, chart ruler in Taurus. That Taurus Mercury is extremely closely square Aqua Uranus (Uranus is probably her strongest Planet, though Jupiter, Pluto, and Venus are up there as well). And she has Venus, ruler of all that strong Taurus, in late Pisces (cusping Aries some) conjunct Pisces Saturn in the 7th House.

posted January 23, 2022 12:01 AM            

Anyways, the possible Capricorn-Uranus connection:

If we look at the Zodiac as a whole, you'll notice that the huge majority of the Zodiac is made up of Sign pairs that share a traditional ruler. Only Cancer and Leo are exceptions to this, since these are ruled by the two "lights".

Then, if you list them in order starting with Aries-Scorpio, Taurus-Libra, Gemini-Virgo, Sagittarius-Pisces, and lastly Capricorn-Aquarius--notice anything odd about that overall pattern?

All the Sign combos/pairs that share a ruler, EXCEPT Capricorn-Aquarius, all have multiple Signs in between them, whereas Capricorn and Aquarius is the only pair/combo that are right next to each other with no signs in between them. It is also last on the list, and both Signs are within the "Universal" quadrant of the Zodiac (The Zodiac can be broken up into three, 4 Sign Quadrants with Aries to Cancer being the "personal" quadrant, Leo to Scorpio being the "interpersonal" and Sag to Pisces being the "universal" i.e. most collective oriented Sign symbols).

What this unique relationship suggests to me, is that not only does Cap and Aquarius share a traditional/ancient ruler, but also a modern ruler unlike all the other Sign pairs. Also, Capricorn is a Yin/Feminine Sign. Saturn has always been depicted as both very Yang/masculine and material oriented in nature.

Uranus on the other hand, of the common descriptions that Cayce's guidance gave for Uranus, was the unusual, the extreme, and the psychic i.e. Uranus was noted as a very intuitive symbol. To be intuitive, you HAVE to get or be in touch with the Yin-Feminine side of consciousness, because intuition is all about quieting the monkey mind/left brain chatter, getting quiet within, and learning to listen to deeper levels and subtle feelings i.e. a very Yin/Feminine process and attunement.

Hence, clearly Uranus very much has a very Yin/Feminine side to it, unlike uber logical, overly grounded, material minded Saturn that wants everything in neat little categories, much like many male minds do, which is why so few males in comparison to women are open to things like astrology and non denominational spirituality. Us males, are a definite minority in these areas/groups. Just look at this forum alone. The female to male ratio is quite high in favor of females.

Capricorn has a long/ancient association with the element of water (like Aquarius also), despite being an Earth "Sign". One of the oldest symbols for Capricorn is the half goat, half fish symbol. This implies that Capricorn is equally at home in the material realm, as it is in the psychic and/or unconscious realms, which deal a lot more with feelings, imagination, spirituality, the subtle/unseen i.e. more Uranian type attunements that purely Saturnian.

As a Cap Sun and Mercury, but with Angular and strongly aspected Uranus, plus moderately highlighted Aquarius, it is a bit hard for me to fully tell it all apart and so I might be somewhat biased as these are somewhat "blended" in my chart. After all, the primary ruler of my Cap Sun and Merc, Saturn, is closely sextile that Angular Uranus. My chart ruler, the Sun (in Cap) is sextile Uranus, and the ruler of my Moon, Venus, is in Aquarius and closely square Uranus. My big 4 all have a direct connection to Uranus. Hence, I may be somewhat biased.

But I do think there is enough of a holistic logic pattern to at least consider that perhaps Capricorn is co-ruled by Uranus. After all, not only what I've mentioned previously, but it should be stressed that Cap is the 10th Sign and towards the very end of the Zodiac and as we get closer to Pisces, the Signs get more complex and multi-faceted and well, deeper in many respects, which culminates in the most multifaceted Sign of them all, the last Sign, Pisces.

Hence, it would be fitting for Capricorn, to be like Aquarius and Pisces in having both an ancient and modern ruler. But whereas Aquarius would be like Uranus and then Saturn, Capricorn would be reversed, it would be Saturn and then Uranus, so even then, there is a different flavor and twist to their attunement and proportion of "influence" from both rulers. After all, Capricorn is ultimately definitely more earthy than Aquarius.

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Anyways, the possible Capricorn-Uranus connection:

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How blasphemous! But fascinating. Could it also be that they don't necessarily have two rulers, but their singular rulers have such strong dual masculine and feminine energies? I think of Uranus as androgynous, usually sitting at neutral, but ready to embrace whatever gender expression at will for shifting needs. As well I've also heard increasing thought of Saturn as Mother as much as she is Father. She disciplines, but all for love, and nurtures and rewards as much as she tests and punishes.

posted January 23, 2022 03:22 PM            

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I realize I kind of skipped over your 8th House. I'll address it later in regards to relationships.

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Looking forward to your comments on my 8H/Scorpio/watery/spiritual relationship needs.

Another mini-realization of mine regarding Libran energy...what drives me crazy is their potential to be flip-floppity. Objectivity, weighing things fairly, great. But once you see something as true, I feel it's necessary to take a stand and strongly and openly say you do, especially in regard to political/social beliefs. They can have strong beliefs actually, but will keep them hidden just to play nice with people. Aside from the few times that's necessary, that screams inauthencity and cowardice to me and it disappoints me, really. Sorry, Libra placements, lol. I keep bashing you guys but I just want to keep it 100 and also undetstand this interesting sign. Really curious where this 7H Libra Chiron is going to lead me overall.

posted January 24, 2022 09:33 PM            

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How blasphemous! But fascinating. Could it also be that they don't necessarily have two rulers, but their singular rulers have such strong dual masculine and feminine energies? I think of Uranus as androgynous, usually sitting at neutral, but ready to embrace whatever gender expression at will for shifting needs. As well I've also heard increasing thought of Saturn as Mother as much as she is Father. She disciplines, but all for love, and nurtures and rewards as much as she tests and punishes.

I say this because I can't ever think of Capricorn as Uranian. It's a sign too rooted in order and karma. But that doesn't mean it doesn't have that hidden emotionality deep at its core, of which Saturn both expresses. I think of Capricorn like a cave -- rocky Earthiness with hidden, watery depths.

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I suppose most anything is possible. I really don't get a feminine energy from Saturn at all. I've done a lot of charts of known and suspected ASPD folks (psychopaths and sociopaths), as well as many serial killers, and when the charts are accurate, one of the common patterns is a predominant Saturn with a lack of focus on Venus, Neptune, Jupiter, and Sun.

ASPD--a condition characterized by a complete to almost complete lack of affective empathy and conscience is more common among men than women. Female bodies are definitely more wired for affective empathy than male bodies. Also, in both male and female ASPD folks, it has been noted in some studies that testosterone is higher than the average. Testosterone is definitely way more of a male hormone than a female hormone though females do have a little of it usually.

Uranus definitely does have a masculine side as well as feminine/yin. I wouldn't call it quite androgynous or perfectly blended. Why? Its only in the Clear-White Light that we find Yin and Yang perfectly balanced, integrated, and merged. This is the consciousness of pure Love and Source consciousness.

And Uranus has a ways to go before its vibratory rate is that fast (i.e. the fastest, the ultimate). The thing about Uranus is that it flips flop back and forth between polarized expressions of Yin and Yang. One moment, it will be very Yin, and then the next moment it will be very Yang. Again, it is the planet and symbol par excellence of flip flopping back and forth between extremes.

Also, Capricorn is my strongest Sign by far, and while I have a strong Uranus--its definitely not predominant, nor even really in the top 3 strongest. And my Aquarius is only moderately strong. And yet, I'm one of the most out of the box and original thinking folks on this forum. And not only with astrology-metaphysics-spirituality. I also invent/prototype multi-purpose products/inventions, such as this:

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum25/HTML/005705.html

How do you explain this? Saturn is the furthest thing from imaginative or strongly intuitive. And yet, besides my own experiences, Capricorn shows up a lot in the charts of unusually psychic-intuitive people (granted, they usually also have other things going on besides just Capricorn, but Cap shows up enough that its hard to believe there is not a direct connection).

posted January 24, 2022 10:29 PM            

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Looking forward to your comments on my 8H/Scorpio/watery/spiritual relationship needs.

Another mini-realization of mine regarding Libran energy...what drives me crazy is their potential to be flip-floppity. Objectivity, weighing things fairly, great. But once you see something as true, I feel it's necessary to take a stand and strongly and openly say you do, especially in regard to political/social beliefs. They can have strong beliefs actually, but will keep them hidden just to play nice with people. Aside from the few times that's necessary, that screams inauthencity and cowardice to me and it disappoints me, really. Sorry, Libra placements, lol. I keep bashing you guys but I just want to keep it 100 and also undetstand this interesting sign. Really curious where this 7H Libra Chiron is going to lead me overall.

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I was perhaps a bit too extreme with my Plutonic statement. Digging a little deeper, we see that it would be hard for you to fully escape Plutonic type people and/or connections, because not only is Scorpio and 8th connected to romances and sex for you, but Pluto is very closely inconjunct your Mercury, ruler of your Desc.

Inconjunct aspects can be summed up in stress and imbalance that needs conscious adjustment, especially through 6th House and/or 8th House type patterns and processes (and also to the specific Signs and Houses also related).

Chances are, that even 7th House partners will have some definite Pluto background, and that it will tend towards the difficult for you and your relationships, and that will force that kind of above adjustment/transformation process.

However, this should be more of a background if true, 7th House type partners. Really Venus and/or Libra will most likely dominate the partner's chart all in all. There's more Venus going on strongly than anything.

Speaking of Libra, what you wrote makes me kind of wonder how many actual folks with strong Libra have you known well, rather than reading pop, mainstream Sun sign stuff about Libra? My family is chock full of folks with strong Libra, and I have Libra Moon. What you described, does not fit us.

One of the defining patterns of my childhood was growing up with an abusive, sociopathic step father. There was me, the oldest with my somewhat younger, full brother, and then my two significantly younger, half siblings who were my step father's progeny.

When my full brother would be accused of things he didn't do, was being unfairly treated by my step father or the like, I would stand up to my step father despite his rage ful, violent nature, and that he was 6'4", 200+ lbs and quite strong/muscular, and I was literally about a foot shorter than him.

His lies, his unfairness, his ahole nature infuriated me, and especially when he treated my brother unfairly and unjustly.

Ever heard of a guy named Gandhi? Libra Sun and Asc. Kind of spent his life standing up for the little guy and fighting Goliath.

If there is anything to the whole exaltion concept, then perhaps there are deeper reasons why the "Lord of karma", Saturn, is said to be exalted in Libra?

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Also, how would highlighted Sun show up in a chart? 1H stellium? 5H stellium?

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Most likely through either the Sun being angular, strongly aspected to an angle ruler and/or Leo being highlighted by being one of the big 4 such as Sun, Asc, Moon, or Chart ruler. Besides your Desc strong connection to Solar energy, you also need to factor in that your faster moving chart ruler is in Aquarius, which has a strong attraction to and for Leo, as well. Opposite Signs typically have the strongest attraction to each other than any other Sign connection.

It could be a bit more background like Leo Venus or Mars I suppose, but it's hard to say for any certainty. Your Mercury is very closely conjunct Sun, which strongly highlights in relation to your Desc (also your 3rd and IC as well via Gemini).

Back to Pluto for a moment. The problem with Pluto, or rather people with very strong Pluto, is that typically it is a highly selfish pattern, unless the person has gone through a major transformation (and usually in the case of people with very strong Pluto, through major crisis). Like I said on another thread, there are fast vibratory Plutonians and people with strong Pluto out there, but in my experience and observation, they are outnumbered by the destructive and slow vibratory types.

After Saturn (NOT Capricorn or Aquarius), Pluto (NOT Scorpio, but PLUTO the planet), is the most potentially ASPD type symbol around, then followed by highly narcissistic Mars. But Mars can appear almost "innocent" compared to these two much of the time. Mars may be a testosterone laden, super selfish brute of an energy, but rarely does he hurt to hurt--it's more of an unthinking self centeredness and narrowness of perception. Whereas Saturn and Pluto can correlate to downright sadism and cruelty, and actually liking to hurt others, or just so much of a disregard that it may as well be proactively hurtful.

Course, again, we are talking generally, and most people are a complex mix/blend of slow vibratory, mid vibratory, and some faster vibratory. What I can say for certain though, is that your true 7th House partner would not be a predominant Plutonian according to the astrological patterns involved (but then again, I haven't checked declinations--if Mercury is parallel or contra parallel Pluto--Pluto may actually be more of a dominant feature in a 7th House type partner's chart).

posted January 24, 2022 11:41 PM            

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I was perhaps a bit too extreme with my Plutonic statement. Digging a little deeper, we see that it would be hard for you to fully escape Plutonic type people and/or connections, because not only is Scorpio and 8th connected to romances and sex for you, but Pluto is very closely inconjunct your Mercury, ruler of your Desc...

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It could also be that Plutonic synastries/composites will be a repeated theme for me. If what others are saying about my natal chart's highlighted focus on karmic relationships, that seems likely. I'm not sure if that will also be the case for a twin soul relationship/long-term partnership/marriage, but I have to say I very much value that Plutonic-like emotional closeness, devotion, knowing and intimacy. Or maybe that's not a Pluto thing and I'm saying it wrong. Idk. All I know is that, listen, this Scorpio moon needs to be understood, okay? And protected and known and deeply loved and is looking to do the same vice versa.

One thing I will say I'm learning, however, is how to use that Plutonic force within me/desire for within relationships as a force for radically learning about love and life, instead of expecting my partner/relationship to be a vortex of emotion for me to siphon energy from. It's a burdensome energy that feels "good" at first, but eventually evaporates in meaning and its energy dies just as fast - or you die in it. (The Uranus in my chart repeatedly teaches me the importance of transformation. And how passionate energy must be used for something higher, something more than just yourselves. Reminds me of a line from a poem: "Once, I saw a bee drown in honey, and I understood.” Rather than drowning in its depths, Plutonic passion must be purposefully directed, specifically for radical love with greater and greater depths. You know, just-an-average-Tuesday things.)

Re: misunderstanding Libras? Perhaps. I've been mostly around, what, Cap/Sag/Aqua/Taurus/Pisces sign energy for majority of my life? Especially the Caps, they love me. (With strong Saturn across my chart, it's clear as to why. And if we go with your Uranus as co-ruler of Capricorn theory, makes even more sense with the moderate-strong Uranus across my chart.) Obviously I have a lot to learn about the Virgo/Libra energy, but I'm eager to do so. It's a breath of fresh air, one I feel like I need.

I go back to my Hugh Jackman example. (Lol, you must be so annoyed. But, sorry, I don't have enough IRL experience with Virgos/Libras! At least as of late, so this will have to do for now.) The Libra and Virgo in him are obvious. The intense, deeper side that's also in him, well, I don't know to chalk that up to strong Pluto indicators or strong Jupiter ones. So who knows what I'm picking up on and what planetary energy I'm attracted to and ultimately seeking.

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I suppose most anything is possible. I really don't get a feminine energy from Saturn at all. I've done a lot of charts of known and suspected ASPD folks (psychopaths and sociopaths), as well as many serial killers, and when the charts are accurate, one of the common patterns is a predominant Saturn with a lack of focus on Venus, Neptune, Jupiter, and Sun...

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No, but really. I will say I agree with your assessment on Uranus -- volatile back and forth energy, not automatically intergrated. But not to ignore your personal experiences, but, I don't know...something about Saturn also feels motherly to me. Or some level of intuition in there. Regarding its common tie to sociopaths and the like: yeah, I'm spitting on psychiatric definitions here, but does it just have to be absence of emotion that causes their desire for pain, but rather some inverted emotionality? Their own form of enacting karma to assuage twisted emotionalities? Or is that Pluto-type of a crazy? Idk. Talking about crazy too much makes me feel crazy. "Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you," kind of thing.

posted January 29, 2022 12:05 PM            

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It could also be that Plutonic synastries/composites will be a repeated theme for me. If what others are saying about my natal chart's highlighted focus on karmic relationships, that seems likely. I'm not sure if that will also be the case for a twin soul relationship/long-term partnership/marriage, but I have to say I very much value that Plutonic-like emotional closeness, devotion, knowing and intimacy. Or maybe that's not a Pluto thing and I'm saying it wrong. Idk. All I know is that, listen, this Scorpio moon needs to be understood, okay? And protected and known and deeply loved and is looking to do the same vice versa.

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It can be a Pluto thing, but it is more specifically a Scorpio and 8th House thing. Problem is, all the above can sometimes mistake over attachment, intensity of feeling, etc for "love". Love is none of that. Real love is like a mix of highest aspects/parts of Pisces, Aquarius, and Venus.

The merging aspect of Scorpio, Pluto, and/or 8th House can sometimes become a subsuming, in a consuming way, type. There tends to be an aspect of domination or imbalance of power involved. With Pisces, 12th House, and/or Neptune, it is more of a true merging, where the partners truly understand, accept, and feel each other completely, but without the hungry grasping of Scorpio etc that typically has a fair amount of ego/fear/selfishness involved.

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One thing I will say I'm learning, however, is how to use that Plutonic force within me/desire for within relationships as a force for radically learning about love and life, instead of expecting my partner/relationship to be a vortex of emotion for me to siphon energy from. It's a burdensome energy that feels "good" at first, but eventually evaporates in meaning and its energy dies just as fast - or you die in it. (The Uranus in my chart repeatedly teaches me the importance of transformation. And how passionate energy must be used for something higher, something more than just yourselves. Reminds me of a line from a poem: "Once, I saw a bee drown in honey, and I understood.” Rather than drowning in its depths, Plutonic passion must be purposefully directed, specifically for radical love with greater and greater depths. You know, just-an-average-Tuesday things.)

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Pluto and kundalini have a definite connection to each other. Ideally both Pluto and kundalini are redirected towards that of the highest form of love i.e. impersonal, universal Love--the kind of love that Source and those consciously One with same, have for us and all parts of creation.

All souls will experience some dissatisfaction, discontent, and the like, until they redirect Pluto/kundalini in that direction. Not even the closest and most loving twin soul connection can fully substitute for that highest form of love. Scorpio oft believes and desires that it can, but in Pisces the Soul learns the truth.

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Re: misunderstanding Libras? Perhaps. I've been mostly around, what, Cap/Sag/Aqua/Taurus/Pisces sign energy for majority of my life? Especially the Caps, they love me. (With strong Saturn across my chart, it's clear as to why. And if we go with your Uranus as co-ruler of Capricorn theory, makes even more sense with the moderate-strong Uranus across my chart.) Obviously I have a lot to learn about the Virgo/Libra energy, but I'm eager to do so. It's a breath of fresh air, one I feel like I need.

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There have also been a number of noted military generals with highlighted/strong Libra btw.

Hah, do the Caps love you, or more you love the Caps? The reason why I ask is because strong Taurus has an archetypal, 5th House type attraction to strong Capricorn, whereas Capricorn feels that 5th House type attraction to strong Virgo, and Virgo feels that to Taurus. So perhaps with your rather highlighted Taurus, you tend to dig folks with strong Capricorn and they likewise dig the digging? There is also some resonance with your 1st House Saturn and other chart ruler, Neptune, in Capricorn.

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I go back to my Hugh Jackman example. (Lol, you must be so annoyed. But, sorry, I don't have enough IRL experience with Virgos/Libras! At least as of late, so this will have to do for now.) The Libra and Virgo in him are obvious. The intense, deeper side that's also in him, well, I don't know to chalk that up to strong Pluto indicators or strong Jupiter ones. So who knows what I'm picking up on and what planetary energy I'm attracted to and ultimately seeking.

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If I am correct about his chart having that close Jupiter Pluto conjunction moderately conjunct his Asc, then the depth is related to both Jupiter and Pluto. In the Edgar Cayce readings, his guidance most often described Jupiter in ways like that of spiritual strength, universal consciousness, and the ennobling forces.

Cayce's guidance noted on more than one occasion that Jupiter had a tendency to lift up/ennoble other energies it was connected to, when it was strong. I think we are seeing that in Jackman's case with Pluto. As I've said, Pluto tends towards the egotistical/strongly self centered (in a quiet, introverted way where it can be hard to tell unless they are actively engaging in selfish behavior) and destructive on average. But Jupiter is helping to raise it up to a higher, more spiritualized expression. This is something that Pluto already has the capacity for, but often needs some definite outside nudges for.

Besides his very strong combo of Libra-Virgo, you are likely also attracted to his moderately strong Solar energy (chart ruler conjunct the Sun) and Scorpio Venus opposed your Taurus and same sign as your Moon is a strong synastric combo.

Opposite and same Sign and/or Planetary energies show up the most as a pattern in particularly strong attractions and/or close partnerships. While I pay less attention to same Planets to same Planet connections--it is said that Mars conjunct or opposite Mars can be a moderately strong sexual-chemistry indication and Jackman, like you, has Virgo Mars, 4 degrees away from yours. (hard to not notice, but yours and my Mars are 1 degree away from each others).

Btw, in relation to Jackman, also consider that strong Taurus has an archetypal 8th House type connection and potential attraction to strong Libra. (i.e. to see how this works, put Libra on the Asc with equal house system, and Taurus is on the 8th in that "natural chart"). That type of attraction can be even stronger and more intense than the 5th House type.

Alright Lass, my Capricorn is kicking in. That will be 200 dollars for the astrological expertise and feedback...

J/K! (Playing on some tired stereotypes, and speaking as one who has done many a free chart for another i.e. was being extra ironic).

posted January 29, 2022 02:05 PM            

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It can be a Pluto thing, but it is more specifically a Scorpio and 8th House thing. Problem is, all the above can sometimes mistake over attachment, intensity of feeling, etc for "love". Love is none of that. Real love is like a mix of highest aspects/parts of Pisces, Aquarius, and Venus.

The merging aspect of Scorpio, Pluto, and/or 8th House can sometimes become a subsuming, in a consuming way, type. There tends to be an aspect of domination or imbalance of power involved. With Pisces, 12th House, and/or Neptune, it is more of a true merging, where the partners truly understand, accept, and feel each other completely, but without the hungry grasping of Scorpio etc that typically has a fair amount of ego/fear/selfishness involved.

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I completely agree. Part of my destiny, I'm realizing, is to learn how to healthily use and blend these energies, obviously. Even as I move toward the Jupiter energy in my chart, my Pluto isn't going anywhere either. I know how to leave behind over-attachment, but how to use those all-consuming waves for good, I don't know yet. At least not fully. All I know so far is that my emotional depths should be embraced, and in creative fields like singing/performing, it is a great way to express that energy, especially in collective emotional healing through passionate expression.

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Hah, do the Caps love you, or more you love the Caps?

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Nah, it's the Caps loving me. I love them back, but my most significant friendships have all been with Capricorns -- I would think due to Capricorn on my 11H, right? -- and they approached me first with me being unaware of them beforehand. I believe even you commented on my posts first.