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Giulia000
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posted February 05, 2022 05:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Giulia000     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello everyone!

I wanted to show you my birth chart, because I tend to have a pretty turbulent emotional nature when it comes to love and attachment. I've had many relationships, been in love so many times, and every time felt visceral and scary. I think the fear of loss (the fear of death) is due to Moon-Pluto opposition, and Venus-Neptune conjunction doesn't help me at all

Do you have Pluto issues? How do you manage them in your relationships? I fell in love with different personalities, but when I check the sinastries/composites there's always some hard Pluto contact I cannot resist. I wish I could solve my Moon-Pluto opposition and finally feel free to love in a way that's not painfully scary, but I don't know where to start. My biggest desire is to be in a long-term passionate and happy relationship.

Is there anyone here who has Moon-Pluto hard aspects in the birth chart? What are your thoughts and feelings?

Here's my chart:

https://ibb.co/CsHG7K4

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posted February 06, 2022 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted February 06, 2022 06:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Back2Black     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Giulia000:
Hello everyone!

I wanted to show you my birth chart, because I tend to have a pretty turbulent emotional nature when it comes to love and attachment. I've had many relationships, been in love so many times, and every time felt visceral and scary. I think the fear of loss (the fear of death) is due to Moon-Pluto opposition, and Venus-Neptune conjunction doesn't help me at all

Do you have Pluto issues? How do you manage them in your relationships? I fell in love with different personalities, but when I check the sinastries/composites there's always some hard Pluto contact I cannot resist. I wish I could solve my Moon-Pluto opposition and finally feel free to love in a way that's not painfully scary, but I don't know where to start. My biggest desire is to be in a long-term passionate and happy relationship.

Is there anyone here who has Moon-Pluto hard aspects in the birth chart? What are your thoughts and feelings?

Here's my chart:

https://ibb.co/CsHG7K4


I can't say for sure. My chart is similar to yours so I'm still figuring out myself. I believe things will improve this year when Saturn passes your Jupiter. It seems to have been dampening on your spirit and luck.

Pluto seems to let up in 2024. I'll try to look further into your chart to see if I can see a way out of your struggles.

What sign and degree do you have Vesta?

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Giulia000
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posted February 06, 2022 06:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Giulia000     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Back2Black:
I can't say for sure. My chart is similar to yours so I'm still figuring out myself. I believe things will improve this year when Saturn passes your Jupiter. It seems to have been dampening on your spirit and luck.

Pluto seems to let up in 2024. I'll try to look further into your chart to see if I can see a way out of your struggles.

What sign and degree do you have Vesta?


HI! My Vesta is at 16° Aries. I didn't know Saturn-Jupiter was considered unfortunate

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posted February 06, 2022 06:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Back2Black     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Giulia000:
HI! My Vesta is at 16° Aries. I didn't know Saturn-Jupiter was considered unfortunate

At this point I believe Saturn to be kind of malefic. Every planet has its good and bad sides, but I think Saturn represents struggles and delays. Interesting that Vesta trines your Sun and sextiles your moon. It may be a "way out" from your relationship struggles. I believe Vesta functions similarly to the Moon. I look at it like "home is where the heart is" or being at peace. I'll try to figure your chart out, give me a few days.

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posted February 06, 2022 06:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Giulia000     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Back2Black:
At this point I believe Saturn to be kind of malefic. Every planet has its good and bad sides, but I think Saturn represents struggles and delays. Interesting that Vesta trines your Sun and sextiles your moon. It may be a "way out" from your relationship struggles. I believe Vesta functions similarly to the Moon. I look at it like "home is where the heart is" or being at peace. I'll try to figure your chart out, give me a few days.

Thank you! It's interesting what you say about Vesta, I've never paid attention to it. I'm also really interested in your analysis, but please please do not look at my transits, I prefer not to forecast future events, since I'm very susceptible

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posted February 10, 2022 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From what you've described, I would ascribe it to 'long-term transit of Pluto' in approach TO your Natal Venus.

Would have an effect like that of etheric pheromones. You could already possibly be attracting those whose personality is primarily to be sexual. The selection may surprise you, and may not be the usual type you would be ordinarily attracted to.

Romantic feelings could be heavily evoked.

Look at transiting Pluto currently at 27+ Capricorn --
Also in Capricorn, transiting Mars and Venus (at 12+ 13+ Cap now) are scheduled to travel together as a 'couple' through mid-March. These will cross and come in contact with your Mars, Neptune, Venus planet cluster.

For the March 2nd at Full Moon in Pisces 12.07,
transiting Venus + Mars will conjunct and remain in-step together in degrees of 26+ Capricorn, and through 27+ 28+, and 29+ -- be together EXACT in 0+ Aquarius-- for your VENUS RETURN March 7th {Venus Aqua 0.37'}.

Transiting Venus+Mars start parting conjoined degree at Friday March 18, and more after March 20th, at which Venus conjuncts your natal Jupiter Aquarius 18+, activating your Cradle Aspect. Nice!!!

Have you discerned the kind of Vocation you think you have?
What's your Calling?

Does it match the education and job field you entered (if you've graduated as yet)?

Mars Venus
They will still be considered in-sign in-orb till Venus changes sign from Aquarius to enter Pisces April 7th.

Your Ascendant and South Node are Pisces 13+ 14+ --
transiting Venus will bless you with a visit to your first house after Full Moon Libra 26.46 on Saturday 16th April.
That would make Sunday 17th April, Easter Sunday.

I've seen people with Pluto in the 9th house (God's House) be people of strong faith. Sagittarius can talk about 'faith' too, along with 9th House {Sag's natural house}.

It's nice that you were born just before Christmas, and just before the culminating Full Moon 22.08.

Your Sun is on a Sagittarian Fixed Star Ras Alhague
{Gives an aptitude for teaching, or healing; feelings to provide Service .. associated with Social Work, politics; caring, psychological and healing practices; mystical healing; also in one culture is called the astrologer's star.}

Your Moon Gemini 13+ approaches Fixed Star Rigel?~16?
{Star of Learning and Teaching, wanting to spread wisdom, and being one who can 'make a difference'!}.


With your question on 'how' to handle the relationships (with transiting Pluto's soon strengthening effect on your Venus?)---

I'd say you need to define your Values.
Know and decide what your 'Boundary' lines are/will be in advance!!

Also, to have a good confidant {eg parent, aunts, sibling, trusting friend, etc} to talk about your strong emotions and allow them to give feedback. Discuss your boundary-lines. Let them be your 'accountability partner(s)'. IF they note you not-acting in accord with your professed values, give them permission to SAY something to you. {Let it be an agreement in-advance.} Listen to them. Then reflect on your own, again.

Love, romance, is like a wonderful drug that places the 'rose color' lenses on ALL. You can feel willing to compromise YOUR OWN self and Good Senses, and sacrifice those to the man/partner that has taken your Heart.

LET your friends, sisters, whomever-- be able to REACH the part of you that is 'sane'!! LOL. Love can make you crazy, Do crazy things-- like being high or drunk.

You say you've been in love many times.
Have you done 'comparison' notes on what the issues were in all of them?

When you run through the analysis,
What do you think the common-denominator is?

WHAT are you looking for?
The older you get, the more refined your choice in men(?) become. This could help?? LoL.

Also, have you ever sat down for a few sessions with a professional counselor? The counselor could probably PIN down 'what it is' with you, and give you some insight on your relationship choices, and possible childhood patterns being unconsciously played by you with your partners.

Seriously! If there's a women's self-help group, get together with them. Or the Counselor. ... AND, whomever you choose as confident that 'knows' you (as a person).

Venus-Neptune ... Idealization.
Need some friends that can help you stay on the ground, in a practical way. {But without squelching that beautiful sensitive creative nature that you have.}

So Yep, after all these love experiences, expect that you'll find yourself becoming more Efficient about your Dates. LET yourself HAVE your boundaries and keep them i n place.

(Just because a guy is 'soooo nice' doesn't mean you have to fully accept and give yourself. Reserve yourself.)

SET your Boundaries.
WHEN you come in contact with those you say "I cannot resist"--- RED FLAG, okay?!!! Let that feeling be a CUE for you to think "BRAKES ON!!"

You CAN resist -- SET your boundary.
SET your Default behaviors.

Protect your Heart, and your Self.

(Go make that list of traits! ..)

BEST of Luck and LIFE to you!!!

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Giulia000
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posted February 10, 2022 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Giulia000     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello, thanks A LOT for your kind analysis I have some questions for you:

1. When you say "long-term transit of Pluto" in approach to my natal Venus, what do you mean by long-term?

2. When it comes to Pluto, I don't think I've attracted primarily sexual people so far, but I feel attracted to those who feel plutonic to me (those who clearly haven't solved their Pluto issues yet, just like me). So far, my relationships have been plutonic-neptunian: control, manipulation, but also martyrdom, co-dependency and lack of boundaries - as you well said - have been envolved. These are the patterns I've observed in my romantic relationships.

I think this highlights my Neptune issues. When I fall in love with someone, I tend to lose interest in myself and slowly start becoming dependent on the other. I think this has to do with the neptunian illusion of finding some kind of eternal, happy, motherly and reassuring source - mother issues probably linked to Pluto opposite Moon in the natal chart. Something I'm definitely working on with a therapist

3. "Have you discerned the kind of vocation you think you have?" Not yet, actually. I'm currently studying to become a Psychotherapist - your analysis was correct
Also, I'm into arts, especially music. I really want to dig into that more.

4. I'm currently dating a guy who fears intimacy, I don't know how this is going to evolve. How do you think the transits you've described for March-April may affect the situation?

For the first time, I think I'm starting to really face the neptunian illusion of eternal permanence - something Moon opposite Pluto fears a lot. I'm working on re-viewing my ideas and desires, when it comes to love and attachment. Also, I'm approaching meditation in a new way - trying to focus on the no-thing, on the "now", on the "letting go" and "let it be" for what it is. Hopefully that will help with my fear of death, too.

(Also, excuse my English, I'm italian hehe).
Much love <3

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posted February 13, 2022 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Back2Black     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Giulia000:
Thank you! It's interesting what you say about Vesta, I've never paid attention to it. I'm also really interested in your analysis, but please please do not look at my transits, I prefer not to forecast future events, since I'm very susceptible


It seems like the 11th house is your way out, I'm doubting it being Vesta upon a second look. Looks like you might want to date those who are your peers/fit in your peer group. Probably those who are serious, structured, are very productive, and hardworking. My advice is to look towards those who aspect your Venus and Mars because they are the planets that seem to ease your tension relationship wise. They also would allow your Moon to be expressed as well, I will admit the Pluto opposition you have is tough.

The Venus-Neptune aspect is rather beautiful to me, it allows you to have very deep and spiritual love. Love for you can potentially feel spiritual and not just romantic.

I read once that cradle aspects means the person has to toil and struggle when it comes to certain areas of life (in your case 9th & 10th house vs 3rd *and 4th house*) until they can rectify both parts of the opposition. The sextiles are meant to be a means of showing "a way out" of the struggle. In your case that seems to be Jupiter, but for romance that would be Venus, Mars, and Neptune. Try to use those planets/houses as a guide to ease/avoid the tension from those oppositions.

I would say to look especially for those who trine the planets I mentioned, a grand trine would definitely relax the tension from your oppositions. Try not to choose partners based on your Moon or Sun, but the planets previously listed.

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posted February 13, 2022 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Giulia000     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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My advice is to look towards those who aspect your Venus and Mars because they are the planets that seem to ease your tension relationship wise. They also would allow your Moon to be expressed as well, I will admit the Pluto opposition you have is tough.

Hi, thank you for your interpretation Actually, I've checked the charts I shared with my ex boyfriends and they all aspect my Mars-Neptune-Venus (with a conjunction). They all have Capricorn/Aquarius stellium, so I have most of their planets in my 11th house. They don't aspect my Moon, but most of them aspect my Pluto. I know it's a generational thing, but I feel it even if the orb isn't tight.

Also, why do you see Moon opposite Pluto as tough? Is it specifically referred to my chart?

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posted February 13, 2022 08:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Back2Black     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Giulia000:
Hi, thank you for your interpretation Actually, I've checked the charts I shared with my ex boyfriends and they all aspect my Mars-Neptune-Venus (with a conjunction). They all have Capricorn/Aquarius stellium, so I have most of their planets in my 11th house. They don't aspect my Moon, but most of them aspect my Pluto. I know it's a generational thing, but I feel it even if the orb isn't tight.

Also, why do you see Moon opposite Pluto as tough? Is it specifically referred to my chart?


Sorry that what I said wasn't helpful. Your title mentioned dealing with Moon - Pluto hard aspects so that's why. Hopefully someone else can answer your question.

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posted February 13, 2022 09:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Giulia000     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Sorry that what I said isn't helpful.

Haha no problem Actually, your analysis was helpful, it made me realize for the first time that in every stable relationship I had Neptune-Venus is evolved. Maybe, the issues I dealt with are not only related to Pluto, but Neptune as well!

Venus-Neptune tends to idealize love and wish for eternal and happy fulfillment, Moon-Pluto does the same, in a slightly different fashion. I definitely need to work on boundaries and attachment.

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posted February 13, 2022 09:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Giulia000     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Sorry that what I said isn't helpful.

Haha no problem Actually, your analysis was helpful, it made me realize for the first time that in every stable relationship I had Neptune-Venus is evolved. Maybe, the issues I dealt with are not only related to Pluto, but Neptune as well!

Venus-Neptune tends to idealize love and wish for eternal and happy fulfillment, Moon-Pluto does the same, in a slightly different fashion. I definitely need to work on boundaries and attachment.

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posted March 06, 2022 05:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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