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Cat
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posted November 16, 2002 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cat     Edit/Delete Message
It's just been on the news here that 3 men have been arrested. They were planning a terrorist attack - releasing poison gas in the underground system

Geez I currently don't have a car and so always travel on the underground....that's a really frightening thought Thank goodness they were caught before they could do that.
I always felt that terrorists would more than likely target the underground (no escape) but this makes it real
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theFajita
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posted November 16, 2002 06:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theFajita     Edit/Delete Message
Well I am glad that they were caught, but boy is that scary!!!

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posted November 16, 2002 07:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cat     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Fajita
Yes it's pretty scary.

This article was just now on the internet....

ARRESTS MADE OVER ALLEGED CYANIDE
ATTACK PLOT

THREE men have been charged over an alleged plot to release cyanide gas in the London Underground, say police.

They are believed to be from either Tunisia or Morocco.

Reports say the suspects are part of a muslim fundamentalist group with links to al-Qaida.

Rabah Chekat-Bais, 21, Rabah Kadris, in his mid 30s, and Karim Kadouri, 33, all of no fixed abode, have been charged under Section 57 of the Terrorism Act 2000 for the possession of articles for the preparation, instigation and commission of terrorism acts.

Unemployed Chekat-Bais appeared before London's Bow Street Magistrates Court last Monday and Kadris and Kadouri, also both unemployed, appeared in the court on Tuesday.

All three men were remanded in custody to appear before magistrates again on November 18.

Scotland Yard is refusing to comment on claims in the Sunday Times the attack involved releasing cyanide gas on the Tube network.


hmmm I really don't want to travel on the underground at the moment.....
Plus what's also worrying is that these people have already been to court and charged and it's only just now been made public
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posted November 16, 2002 07:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Donna     Edit/Delete Message
Oh Sue, I just saw that on the news. How frightening!! I am so glad they were caught before any real damage was done. Hope this beefs up surveillance and security in those areas. I don't blame you for not wanting to travel right now. Neither would I.

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posted November 17, 2002 12:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquamoon     Edit/Delete Message
It completely amazes me how people like this believe there is this greater good they are fighting for. How lost do you have to be to believe you can make your point by depriving people who have no clue what you believe your bloody problem is of their wives and fathers and babies??? It makes me sooo MAD because it is just all so senseless. Isn't it amazing how prone to programming our brains are?!
Sue, I'm hoping this will help you feel safe again. Take care.
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Cat
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posted November 17, 2002 02:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cat     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks everyone
It is very worrying. Today they said on the news that Italy (Rome) had caught and stopped terrorists (recently - but they didn't say when) who where planning to put cyanide in the water system

Aquamoon - I totally agree with what you say, and thanks for the link
I just wonder where it's all going to end - I think it's going to take quite while yet

These terrorists are back in court tomorrow. The government will not confirm the details reported in the press but are advising everyone to be very aware when travelling on the underground and to report anything unusual.
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posted November 17, 2002 03:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for proxieme     Edit/Delete Message
I don't really have anything to say, but I hope ya'll over on the other side of the pond are alright; I'm in the DC area, and people've been jumping out of their skins w/ all of the reports that've been circulating.

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posted November 17, 2002 03:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cat     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Corri
Thanks for your concern. Yes...jumping out of your skin is a good description.
I'm now thinking....don't get the tube (underground) then tell myself "don't be stupid" get the tube cos what will be will be.
The problem here is escalated (hmm spelling) because of the current firemen strikes that we are having. This leaves us so open to attacks because we are lacking the emergency serves
The army are doing a great job in covering when the firemen are on strike and some firemen have actually "come off" strike to help in some situations that we have had.
Next week the fire department are planning an 8 day strike -which is extremely worrying
The firemen do a great job and they deserve to be paid for it BUT I have to say (and I'm ready for a backlash for this comment - plus incase you don't know they are asking for a 40% increase) that I think to strike in this current climate is really not a responsible thing to do
I've never been a person to support strikes.
Maybe that's because I have such a mutable chart that I always believe any situation can be sorted out by negotiation.
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posted November 17, 2002 06:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bissie     Edit/Delete Message
ohh, its really frightening, Sue..
but the most frightening thought is that MAYBE this is only the begining. London and Rom has cought these terrorists but I am afraid they will not be single cases.
Wish that war has never began. Alas, it is a fact already

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posted November 17, 2002 06:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cat     Edit/Delete Message
Hey Bissie
Yes, I agree...sadly this is only the beginning

This is a "total nightmare" that's affecting the whole world. It makes no sense to me that people with a "so called belief" are prepared to kill innocent people AND even more frighteningly that they are prepared to die themselves for this "belief"

I think the world's gone mad and currently I don't like what I see of this "new millenium"
Maybe it's the Saturn/Pluto stuff that's been affecting us all for some time now - but I haven't really studied that so that's just a thought that's jumped into my head while I'm typing this post. If it is...then thing's should get better next year....but time will tell. I hope it does.
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posted November 17, 2002 10:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Oxychick     Edit/Delete Message
I get daily BBC e-mails even though I live in the US...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2486393.stm

maybe it's just the gov't trying to calm fears, but i thought you'd like to read it anyway.

It's scary in NYC too.

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posted November 18, 2002 05:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cat     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Oxychick
Thanks for the link

I guess this is just one of the "perks" of living in major cities.
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posted November 18, 2002 10:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hopeful     Edit/Delete Message
Sue -

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Cat
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posted November 18, 2002 12:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cat     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Hopeful
Thanks for the angels.
I hope everything is good with you?

Well it's difficult to really find out what's going on here in England. The papers can "whip everyone up into a frenzy"

Here's the latest news......

THREAT OF TERROR ATTACK ON UK 'VERY HIGH'

A TERRORISM expert has warned the threat of an al-Qaida attack on Britain is "very high".

Osama bin Laden has issued an "explicit" threat, says Professor Paul Williamson, of St Andrews University's Centre for the study of Terrorism and Political Violence.

The professor told the BBC: "We know that al Qaida is an extremely dangerous organisation with a record of mass killing.

"We also know that Britain has been explicitly mentioned by bin Laden in a recent audio tape. He threatens attacks against Britain and other countries that are part of the terrorism coalition."

Lord Harris, chair of the Metropolitan Police Authority, says the head of specialist police operations in London thinks it is a case of when not if an attack comes.

He said: "Following September 11 Nick Raynsford convened what is called the London resilience committee which looked at all the existing plans and upgraded them on the basis of what if the unthinkable happened.

"No-one had envisaged terrorism on the sort of scale that we saw in New York and Washington that day. What if various things happened including attacks on the London Underground?

"All of those plans were upgraded. A lot of work was done on working out how agencies would cope under specific eventualities.

"I think we are much better prepared than we would have been 18 months ago. But of course the reality is no one can protect absolutely against ruthless terrorists who are prepared to lose their own lives at the same time."

Lord Harris refused to go into details of the kind of threats that had been planned for.

Hmmm well I guess time will tell
Sue

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posted November 18, 2002 03:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for QueenofSheeba     Edit/Delete Message
Someone might have mentioned this already, but there was a lexi in the lexi forum after 9/11 which predicted terrorist attacks in London (sorry, but I can't find and link it right now). Anyway... I'm just waiting for another attack to succeed.

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posted November 18, 2002 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hopeful     Edit/Delete Message
Sue - it's been pretty much status quo. How is your friend doing?

Everyone - It is scary to live with these threats of attack. However, please do not stop living! Last year, I flew to Europe on 9/14. Most everyone thought I was crazy, but I felt - and still feel - that if I stop doing what I enjoy because they have made me afraid, then they win! So, I do not travel expecting an attack (that would be negative thinking, which is a no-no). I travel because I love to travel.

So, let's all take our collective energy and "think" positively that we can overcome the terrorists. Thoughts DO matter.

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posted November 18, 2002 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cat     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Guys
Ok here's the last "update" on this rubbish situation that I'll post...for now

We'll never get to know the real truth.....
Our current government is a "waste of space" (and the opposition is currently no better)we have stikes all over the place - which is the norm with a labour government
I'm not a political person - I'm just stating a fact....

Anyway here's the news.......

WE WILL WARN OF SPECIFIC TERROR THREATS, SAYS BLAIR

TONY Blair is pledging the public will be warned if the Government received specific intelligence of a terrorist attack against a known target.

Downing Street has again denied reports MI5 had foiled a poison gas attack on the London Underground, as the Prime Minister briefed Iain Duncan Smith on the current level of threat from al-Qaida.

Mr Duncan Smith used their 25 minute meeting, described by Tory sources as "friendly and constructive", to press for a Commons statement by Home Secretary David Blunkett to end the current confusion and prevent "alarmist" headlines.

He urged the Prime Minister to spell out in as much detail as was consistent with security, the measures it had put in place to protect against the threat of terrorist attack.

The Government has so far resisted demands for a Commons statement. Ministers have been trying to maintain a delicate balance between reminding the public to remain vigilant and avoiding mass panic.

In a television interview with ITV's Tonight programme, Mr Blair said that while they would warn of any specific threat, they had to be wary of acting on what he described as "general information".

"The difficult dilemma we have here is this - constantly at the moment, because of the terrorist threat, we have pieces of information, pieces of intelligence, coming across our desks and we have to sift that and weight it and judge it," he said.

"If there is a specific threat against a specific target we, of course, will warn people.

But we have got to be very wary of acting on general information, of issuing warnings when they are not really justified according to the evidence.

"The risk then is we unnecessarily alarm people, we end up doing the terrorists' job for them, and for the public, they will get confused if there are different pieces of information coming at them the whole time."

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posted November 18, 2002 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cat     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Hopeful
Thanks for thinking about my friend. She's doing well at the moment. She's just spent another 3 weeks in Mexico having treatment. The option here in UK was to go back on chemo (3rd time) but this chemo is the first time trial on humans - so not a great option, but the other 2 versions of chemo had not helped her
They told her here in England that if she didn't start this chemo immediately then the cancer would totally take over her liver and she would rapidly decline Anyway she decided to give Mexico another visit. The treatment there has really helped her (once again) - she looks better and feels better AND on her return she had more blood tests and scans here in London. They now have said she does not need to have chemo at the moment. So that's brilliant news.
This is a very difficult battle for her but she's winning at the moment and that's
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posted November 18, 2002 06:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hopeful     Edit/Delete Message
Sue - that is wonderful news about your friend! More light and angels for her and you...

Hopeful

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posted November 19, 2002 01:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquamoon     Edit/Delete Message
That IS wonderful news.

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