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Topic: Scientists produce "She-Male"
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Cat
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From: England
Registered: Jan 2002
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posted July 03, 2003 10:23 AM
 
I just read this article on the internet. I thought it very interesting that this should happen when Uranus is now in Pisces!
What're everyone's thoughts?
Sue  Here's the article..... Shock and Outrage as Scientists Produce 'She-Male' SCIENTISTS have been condemned for creating a 'she-male' embryo by combining human cells of both sexes. The resulting hermaphrodite embryo was not allowed to develop beyond six days - but the fact that the experiment went ahead at all provoked an angry reaction from pro-life campaigners. Dr Norbert Gleicher, who works for a private fertility clinic group in the United States, presented the research at an embryology meeting in Spain. The purpose of the experiment was to discover whether cells from a healthy human embryo could be used to treat a defective one. Dr Gleicher's team, from the Centres for Human Reproduction in New York and Chicago, transplanted cells from a developing male embryo into a three-day old female embryo. In his presentation to the European Society of Human Reproduction and Embryology in Madrid, Dr Gleicher said it might be possible to use the technique to treat genetic diseases at the embryo stage. But other experts at the meeting claimed the research was flawed and pointless. And Patrick Cusworth, spokesman for the anti-abortion group Life, said he was shocked at the news. "These scientists claim that their research is for the good of humankind - yet how is the creation and destruction of such a freak of nature intended to benefit anyone? "Such a callous abuse of early human life, where a human embryo is deliberately created, abused and destroyed with such contempt, must surely send shivers down the spines of the general public," he said. The Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority, which licenses embryo research, said there was nothing in the law that expressly forbids such experiments. But anyone seeking to carry out similar work in the UK would first have to obtain a licence from the HFEA.
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silverbells
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From: maryland
Registered: Apr 2003
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posted July 03, 2003 06:12 PM
Well, I think that perhaps if they are trying to treat defective embryos then...Perhaps. But on the other hand, is there a better way to do it, and maybe defective embryos should be left alone because if you have enough technology to be able to do these kinds of experiments, then I can only assume that a doctor will be able to tell if the embryo is defective at a very early stage (days); and if that is the case then the parents could be notified as to the state of their soon-to-be child and be able to choose whether or not they want to continue the pregnancy, and if that is the case, is continuing with these experiments entirely necessary? (Though if the parents are not pro-choice they probably would want the option of treating their embryo.)
I greatly appreciate modern/ancient medicine but I think that maybe too many cooks can spoil the pot especially at that early of a stage. But on the other hand, what if you have a mother who had had invitro(sp?) and she doesn't have any more money for more invitro so she wants to keep the embryo that she has, and the doctor says, "Hey, let me treat the defective embryo and your baby will be fine". She would want and perhaps need that option. But do we really really want people creating mutations? I mean, I suppose we could all be seen as mutations since we are all varied, but I mean drastic mutations. I mean, has anyone seen that episode of Dark Angel where the girl saw all of the mutations that were created before the experiments were perfected and her kind was made. It was horrendus.
We ARE meant to have medical advances to help us stay healthy until we can all maintain or bodies in a healthy state without "modern medicine"(I think) But SHOULD they be allowed to purposefully manifest something to purposefully destroy it(after experiments of course) even though I think that they do that with germs all of the time. Hmmmmm....That was a long post. IP: Logged |
silverbells
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From: maryland
Registered: Apr 2003
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posted July 03, 2003 06:28 PM
What does Uranus in Pisces mean?  IP: Logged |
Cat
Moderator Posts: 3307
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posted July 03, 2003 06:53 PM
Hi silverbells
Thank you for your thoughts. It's late here now (I'm in England) and just got home and need to go to sleep. So I'll answer your post tomorrow when I'm a bit more "with it".For now.....
Pisces is the natural ruler of the 12th house (in astrology). The 12th house (amongst other things) = hospitals etc.
Uranus is a planet of surprise, unusual, unexpected, bizzaire but also can indicate genius. Uranus is the "higher octave" of Mercury. Mercury rules communication, speech, thinking, travel (to name a few things). Uranus rules the internet (eg: more advanced than say...letter writing.) Uranus also would rule space travel as opposed to Mercury ruling travel by bus, train, car etc. Uranus in Pisces would indicate major advances/break through in medical things. Hope that gives you a rough idea. I'll post again tomorrow.
Sue
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silverbells
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From: maryland
Registered: Apr 2003
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posted July 03, 2003 07:10 PM
Yes, that does Help? ThanksIP: Logged |
raj_105_2001
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From: Chennai
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted July 04, 2003 04:06 AM
There is one rule in Media industry (Newspapers, Television and so on) - "If it is not hot, do not publish it". Some media companies have separate departments simply to spot "hot news". Disgusting, true.  There are honest media companies as well as those who sell hot news.  I do not know where you found this article. It could be part of rumour. Star Signs clearly states such experiments would fail.  IP: Logged |
Cat
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From: England
Registered: Jan 2002
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posted July 04, 2003 02:55 PM
The article was fom AOL News.
Actually this story was on the News here in London tonight.IP: Logged |
juniperb
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From: www.Heaven.Home
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posted July 04, 2003 05:42 PM
Hi Cat, yikes! The soul that choose that body would have to have a dose of Uranus influence. Much more than I`d be willing to take on  juniperb  IP: Logged |
juniperb
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posted July 04, 2003 05:49 PM
Cat, that was my first reaction, the soul. But, I think you was asking about creating the embryo. I have been rethinking a few of my positions on scientists creations. This one is another one to add to the list . Embryos don`t have a soul yet (my belief! only) and used in the embryonic stage to benefit humankind, then it can be an aid to beating down disease ect. If they move beyond the embryo, that would create another issue with the public. Very controversal. juniperb
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Randall
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posted July 10, 2003 02:05 PM
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"Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
QueenofSheeba
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From: California, USA
Registered: Feb 2003
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posted July 10, 2003 09:17 PM
If they allowed a 'she-male' embryo to actually be born... wow. A new gender. I hope no scientist would so unethical as to do such a thing. :barfing:------------------
Hello everybody! I used to be QueenofSheeba and then I was Apollo and now I am QueenofSheeba again (and I'm a guy in case you didn't know)! IP: Logged |
juniperb
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posted July 11, 2003 08:12 AM
Hi Queen, good to see your Elf  Hermaphrodites (born with both sexual organs) are born more often than you would think. Fortunately, medical breakthrus can restore the person to sex he/she most closely resembles. The saddest part, is sometimes the physical choice doesn`t match the soul choice and the person feels like it is in an alien body . A link explaining Hermaphroditism.
http://www.jax-inter.net/~help/sexdiff.html juniperb IP: Logged |
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