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raj_105_2001
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posted August 18, 2003 03:39 AM
 
Whether you accept it or not, with current progress in Satellite missions sooner or later you would have to encounter aliens from other planets. Even though Erich Von Daniken predicts alien landing it is very likely Earth beings would encounter aliens in one of satellite missions.  Now we are not talking just politics, we are spanning across galaxies - so this question becomes important: How would you identify yours-elf at intergalactic level? It may not be that difficult as in The Signs  IP: Logged |
StarLover33
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posted August 18, 2003 02:06 PM
Trust me Raj, I think it's waste of money searching up there in space. You're not going to find Aliens orbiting around any of our planets. We can't even go as far as Mars. I think they're visiting us in a whole other way. Perhaps teleportation or some dimensional vortex almost like a black hole sucking them in by .09 seconds. -StarLover IP: Logged |
Ra
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posted August 19, 2003 10:55 PM
Oh, I must respectfully disagree. Exploration of anything is a worthwhile endeavor! There is no waste in that. The waste occurs in the way we manage money/resources right here on the planet. The opportunities presented by space exploration far outweigh any monetary cost, to me.And I would not be so sure about the entities 'out there'. I DO think that they are navigating this solar system, including orbit around our little planet.   IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted August 20, 2003 03:58 AM
Money is an illusion. Those bits of paper are essentially worthless. Only our faith in money grants it any power.  We are duped into thinking money has a worth by having to pay a portion of it in taxes. That being said, I think we should treat space exploration like we fight terrorism in Iraq--just print whatever we need.  Instead of trying to allocate funds, let's make it a top priority and spend whatever it takes. If we spend enough, we might actually really go to the Moon one day.  ------------------
"Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
StarLover33
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posted August 20, 2003 01:41 PM
Wonderful, a new debate on whether we even went to the moon? Part of me says of course, part of me says maybe not. What do you really think? I guess an epic voyage to space would be worth everything but who would get to go and where would we start? Money may be paper but tell that to the rest of the world. -StarLover IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted August 20, 2003 03:56 PM
I just put that Moon part there for Ra (inside joke).  I do think our first landing was possibly hoaxed. By now, though, I think that we probably have secret Moon bases. Money was gold, silver, jewels, and other valuables, but we couldn't carry our gold with us everywhere, so we created banks to store it, who then issued notes (promises to pay). These notes (or money) were easier to use, but they were only worth something, because the holder could take them to the bank to redeem in gold (or whatever). But once Nixon removed the gold standard, all currency became essentially counterfeit. And they still call them treasury "notes" (promises to pay).  ------------------
"Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
Ra
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posted August 21, 2003 01:41 PM
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QueenofSheeba
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posted August 21, 2003 09:07 PM
Ha hum. This moon landing debate again.  Anyway, I agree with Randall that and Ra that exploration is a great thing to invest resources in. When I consider career options for myself, being an explorer-preferably of space- is a very appealing one (laugh if you must). I would love to construct large space stations, explore new planets, meet alien races... get away from Earth, with all it's entrenched tradition, and start something new! If there is other intelligent life in the galaxy, I think it possible that they exist in a form we cannot understand, that they have evolved beyond our comprehension. And even if we are the only intelligent life here, it is still important to colonize other worlds or space stations. At the moment, all our eggs are in one basket- Earth. Don't drop the basket, please. From the pragmatic point of view, real space exploration is still very much a dream. From the evolutionary point of view, space exploration is the logical next step, in order to insure the species' survival. I'd very much like it if we could put aside all our little earthly concerns and reach for the stars. 'Scuse the cliche. ------------------
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StarLover33
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posted August 21, 2003 09:46 PM
I would like to explore new worlds, but not by going into cold clammy space. Traveling in space doesn't appeal to me, I would much rather play with fairies and fight goblins in tolkien's world. Honestly I don't know what to believe with the moon landing. Neil Armstrong is just so convincing.  Randall, I'm so hopeless with money, time and time again my Libran brother has tried to explain the system. You know business, stock market, income, and real estate. My cousin who's also a Capricorn tries to teach me too, she's going for business managment, she also knows a lot about this crap. And here I am not even able to add that well. I kinda wish I was Good Will Hunting. -StarLover
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raj_105_2001
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posted August 22, 2003 05:10 AM
Bill Gates (World no.1 millioniare, CEO of Microsoft) has written several books yet he has written very little about space exploration in his books. Some years later you would go to nearby planet as if you go to nearby countries or even your next door. This is true and it is not possible to refuse There would also come problems when criminals would escape to other planets How would you monitor space travel anyway? IP: Logged |
StarLover33
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posted August 22, 2003 03:16 PM
What a great way to store up criminals. Send them to Mars. -StarLover IP: Logged |
Ra
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posted August 24, 2003 07:44 PM
You laugh, StarLover, but that very thing was done before (in a way), according to the Sumerians.  ... believe it, or not! IP: Logged |
StarLover33
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posted August 24, 2003 09:37 PM
Wait I'm confused, you're saying that there have been criminals sent to Mars?  IP: Logged |
Ra
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posted August 25, 2003 12:52 PM
Well, they were not exactly criminals when they were first sent there ** all of this according to Sumerian accounts, 6,000 years ago ** but they later allied with an entity that was bent on the overthrow of his half-brother who ruled on the Earth. Marduk was his Sumerian/Akkadian name, later known as Ra to the Egyptians. There was great conflict between Ra and his brother over rulership of the Earth. It was settled by the Elders on their home planet, and Marduk/Ra was given leadership of the moon and Martian operations. He was given the IGIGI (those who watch and see) forces to command in these places. (the Sumerian depictions of the IGIGI look much like this - ) Anyway, the IGIGI, led by Marduk/Ra, mutinied against the Earth rulership for various reasons - harsh working conditions, lack of amenities, and lack of female companionship, among others. They descended upon Earth and took for themselves wives of the sons of men, and conquered certain strategic positions. This was condemned by the Elders. They made themselves into outlaws, Marduk/Ra at their lead. They were eventually forced back to Mars, exiled for a time. There are some very curious structures being viewed on Mars ... remains of their operations? The Sumerians would certainly have no doubt! At the least, it is a fantastic story! (which I barely scratched) IP: Logged |
StarLover33
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posted August 25, 2003 01:26 PM
Wow, why is the past so much cooler sometimes?IP: Logged |
Ra
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posted August 25, 2003 02:01 PM
The Cydonia complex on Mars
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 These are the structures that began the questions ... there are many more! IP: Logged |
StarLover33
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posted August 25, 2003 05:55 PM
How could you live on Mars without protection?-StarLover IP: Logged |
StarLover33
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posted August 25, 2003 05:55 PM
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Randall
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posted August 26, 2003 03:56 AM
Mars used to have a habitable (though harsh) atmosphere, and it still could have an artificially created one beneath the surface.  ------------------
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Ra
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posted August 26, 2003 12:49 PM
Sumerian texts state that the Anunnaki (their "gods") determined the water to be good, but the air not so good. They required breathing helmets. This was only some 100,000 years ago or so, long after the Martian atmoshpere was stripped away by activity produced by the passing Nibiru (the home planet of the Anunnaki).As Randall said, there is probably much underground. But you need not search underground for evidence of water! It is accepted fact that it once flowed across the Martian surface. What is not well known is that it still does - though far less than in days past.  IP: Logged |
StarLover33
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posted August 26, 2003 12:58 PM
Amazing, how a civilization once existed, but was destroyed due to war or complacency.Do you think NASA is secretly making visits there? Why have they been taking so long to reach Mars? -StarLover  IP: Logged |
StarLover33
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posted August 26, 2003 03:35 PM
What a cool coincidence. I just recieved my Time magazine issue, and one of the feature articles was about Mars. The article states that Mars recently has been so close to earth. It hasn't been this close since about 60,000 years ago. Mars, God of War is the closest planet to the Earth. I guess there is going to be a lot of agression on the planet for a while. -StarLover IP: Logged |
QueenofSheeba
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posted August 26, 2003 10:54 PM
I read an article on Mars in USA Weekend in which they state that scientists are now in doubt as to whether Mars ever actually did have large bodies of liquid water on its surface. Personally I find all this Martian backtracking frustrating- first the astronomers think Mars has intelligent life on it, then they revise that to micro-organisms, then 'It had water on its surface, but about 100,000 years ago' and now 'Nope, no water.' And of course, no life either, So that means we're the only life in the universe, right? Ra, could you recommend a good translation of those old Sumerian stories? They sound like a very interesting read! ------------------
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raj_105_2001
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posted August 27, 2003 09:39 AM
Excellent pictures of Cydonia Complex, Ra!It is nice idea for you to moderate one forum on Mars! IP: Logged |
Ra
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posted August 27, 2003 01:32 PM
Raj, I apologize for turning this into a theoretical Mars dissertation! Queen, anything by Zecharia Sitchin is absolutely fascinating (to me!), but the best of them (to me!) is The Lost Book of Enki, followed closely by Genesis Revisited. The story I related above may not be precise - it has been a while since I read these books - but it does give the general idea with a fair degree of correctness. The actual story is FAR more fascinating! IP: Logged |
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