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raj_105_2001
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posted August 28, 2003 02:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for raj_105_2001     Edit/Delete Message
It is very likely Earth was visited in ancient days by Space travellers and these Space travellers will return to see what is going on

These Space travellers could be our ancestors and could have according to few sections in academic circles have sparked what is today known as Life on Earth.

There was possibly many of them and many of them spiritually unenlightened They could have chosen certain planets in current galaxy for their purposes and Earth was one among them

If they had chosen Earth they would have had important reasons for their decision. What peculiar to Earth caused them to land here and proceed with whatever they were trying to do? They probably landed in neighbouring planets as well.

Earth could have been rich in certain kind of mineral resources, this is what present day technicians could conclude (that is those who believe life could have extraterrestrial origin). May be Aliens stopped here to refuel their space ships (Time machines?) and in this interim period also led to creation of human beings. This is highly possible. Time machine theory is being rejected as ficitional by most academicians though it is favorite of Science fiction authors.

It is equally probable with advancement in Science Earth beings would travel to distant planets. It is also possible Earth beings might make same mistakes spiritually unevolved Space travellers made.

Any ideas?

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StarLover33
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posted August 28, 2003 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarLover33     Edit/Delete Message
"In my father's house, there are many mansions."

What you're saying Raj could be absolutely true, human's coudn't have learned things by themselves, the first two humans must have had considerable knowlegde to progress like they did.

This place was meant to be an Eden, a stopping ground for Spirits to journey and visit. Some of them decided to stay here, or they got stuck here when Set killed Osiris and caused a great fall. Eventually all the Spirits had forgotten there divine powers and there was death. When death came all the souls lost there memory, and we forgot where we came from, not knowing that all of us came from different planets.

There are so many stories of creation, that it's so difficult sifting through them. But by changing the words and interpreting over and over again, you can see that all have similar truths.

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jwhop
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posted August 28, 2003 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
Well, I have problems believing the Earth was seeded by alien visitors from space. First, there's the fact that all living creatures on earth share the same biochemistry and also share the same DNA---in different code sequences.

"The more we find out about the genetics of living things," says McLean, "the more we understand that all life is related. Itís not some kind of New Age notion that the squirrel is my sister or the slime mold my cousin; itís really true."

So, unless the Earth was sterilized and aliens seeded the entire range of life, I would just as soon believe the "cow jumped over the Moon". Strap a Saturn 5 rocket motor on that cow and it probably could.

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posted August 28, 2003 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarLover33     Edit/Delete Message

We won't know the real truth for a very long time. But when it comes to modern science trying to figure it out, I would put my bet on philosophy to figure it out first.

-StarLover

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Ra
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posted August 28, 2003 11:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message
Okay, again with the Sumerians. I agree with jwhop, but the Sumerians seems to have anticipated this argument.

I wish I had time to recount the Sumerian story of the formation of this solar system, and the life within it, which makes far more sense than any religious or current scientific theory. But that would take a book to do! The Enuma Elish (the epic of creation) is a fantastic document which has been continuously verified by science, particularly astronomy, as our scientific knowledge progresses.

Anyway ... according to this document as recorded by the Sumerians, knowledge given to them by the Anunnaki, the life on this planet shares the same genetic material as the life on Nibiru, the home planet of the Anunnaki, a planetary member of our solar system yet to be discovered by modern man because of its highly eliptical orbit which runs perpendicular and counter to the plane of the rest of the planets.

According to the Anunnaki, as related by the Sumerians, life evolved more quickly on Nibiru because of its peculiar orbit (Discover Magazine recently ran an article proposing this very theory). When the Anunnaki came to the Earth, they discovered primitive humanoids, which (after great debate) they genetically manipulated, inserting some of their own code, creating the ADAMU, which means 'earth worker' in Sumerian. But there was a problem, the newly created ADAMU could not procreate, they were sterile, like mules. Eventually this problem was solved, and the first procreative ADAMU came to be, his name, Adapa.

... and so here we are.

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Lunargirl
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posted August 29, 2003 12:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lunargirl     Edit/Delete Message
So what did they name the first procreative female? Or did the first human procreative males handle the whole job themselves?

Curious minds want to know...

Is this text available in stores, Ra?

thanx,
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Randall
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posted August 29, 2003 05:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Have to differ with you on this one, Jwhop. Firstly, all life on Earth is connected. The DNA evidence is irrefutable; however, that does not mean that life was not seeded here. Perhaps the stories of the ark (not just Noah's, since that Biblical story was "borrowed" from another culture, and many other cultures also have a similar worldwide flood story) were representative of alien seeding life here with various DNA (not just two of every species). But that is a bit far-fetched. My personal ONION is as follows: Evolution and creationism are both correct--and both incorrect. Linda stated the same. But to give more detail than Linda, I would have to say (my ONION only) that life here evolved, and then our space brethren (and sistren ) took prehistoric humans and seeded their DNA into them to create something a little more amenable to intelligence--including music, art, philosophy, and language.

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jwhop
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posted August 29, 2003 12:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
Well Randall, we can agree that humans may be a genetically altered life form that was always native to Earth. Still, my premise that life on Earth wasn't seeded in it's totality from space aliens and not native to Earth or the unlikely premise that humans are the remnants of shipwrecked aliens stranded on Earth in the far past is, I believe, valid.

The Earth is about 4.5 Billion years old and life on Earth is about 3.8 Billion years old---from the fossil records---and I'm not talking about human life but that life shares the same biochemistry and genetic material of modern humankind. That's plenty of time for humanity to rise to achieve a high level of both culture and science-----many times and then decline into savagery many times---either through natural calamity or specific acts--world war for instance. That's the model I have the most faith in at the moment.

It wouldn't take much at this point to set off the chain reaction of events to produce another such decline. Something as simple as a severe burst of certain types of radiation from whatever source would erase all computer files and programs---there goes electricity, there goes the transportation systems and there goes billions of lives dependent on food supplied to the cities. It would also cut off communications, Internet, phone service etc. Not much is needed to bring about another calamity.

Hmmm, perhaps you haven't been listening to the screeching some call music Or, seen the "art" produced by throwing buckets of paint at a canvas Yes indeed, the pinnacle of the art and music crafts.
Where are my earplugs and blindfold when I need them

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Ra
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posted August 29, 2003 06:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message
jwhop, perhaps you already have them on. (please do not take that too personally, I could not resist!)

I believe that if people were presented all of the information that is available on these matters, and not just what is publically taught or accepted, humanity's perceptions of our beginnings would be quite different. The fact is, although there is a great deal of evidence supporting these theories, it is kept from the public mind as much as possible.

I do not disagree with what you said in the above post about the rise and fall, and rise and fall, of human kind - to me this is a reality. But I do believe there is much more to it than just that, or just 'us'.

I would like to site just a couple of examples from the vast works of the Sumerian civilization that must make one think twice.

The Sumerians numbered the planets, all of them. Earth was number seven. Why seven and not three? Because they were numbered from the outside in, beginning with Pluto, which was not discovered by modern man until 1930. Yes, an advanced humanity thousands of years ago may have had the ability to 'discover' Pluto, but the Sumerians say different. They said, in their texts, that this knowledge was given to them by the Anunnaki. Do we believe them, or do we discard their explanation in favour of something more 'logical' or believable? Not only did they know about the planets, they knew their relative size, colour, satellites, and angle of axis! They knew that Uranus rotates on it's side, and they had a very good explanation for it.

And why on Earth would they number the planets from the outside in? This is not logical. Unless you live on a planet that makes its way into the System from far outside and at 90 degrees to the 'normal' plane of rotation.

They also describe something they called "the hammered out bracelet". We call it the asteroid belt. The formation of this little ring of debris has baffled modern science. There are theories, but they are weak. The Sumerians, however, give a very logical explanation - one that, I believe, will be proven in future times, just as have all of their astronomical/planetary writings thusfar. Again, they maintained that this knowledge was relayed to them by the Anunnaki. Do we believe them? They have everything else right, so far.

And then there was Mars ... but that for another time.

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Ra
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posted August 29, 2003 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message
Lunargirl,

Good question! I was going to post "Eve's" Sumerian name as well, but I do not remember, and I cannot find it! I will continue to look.

My favourite translations come from Zecharia Sitchin. There are eight books on various aspects of Sumerian texts. I will admit that he does not hold a monopoly on these translations, and his are bent towards an extraterrestrial influence, but I have found his research fascinating and mind expanding nonetheless.

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posted August 29, 2003 06:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for proxieme     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you, Ra, for sparking a Google search -
it made for quite interesting reading while on a slow Friday night shift.

For anyone else who's completely lost by the above posts,
http://www.subversiveelement.com/Planet_X.html
http://mars-earth.com/sitchintext.htm

(more to follow)

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posted August 30, 2003 03:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
So, that's what they call it--music?

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posted August 30, 2003 11:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarLover33     Edit/Delete Message
Interesting but new to me!

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jwhop
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posted August 30, 2003 06:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Ra

I'll give you that one No offense taken.

Yeah Randall, how much of this dictionary definition of music can you find in today's music?

: the science or art of ordering tones or sounds in succession, in combination, and in temporal relationships to produce a composition having unity and continuity b : vocal, instrumental, or mechanical sounds having rhythm, melody, or harmony
2 a : an agreeable sound

I guess some of the singers have it---they repeat one phrase over and over and over, so they qualify on the unity part of the definition. Agreeable sound---forget about it!

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posted August 30, 2003 09:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarLover33     Edit/Delete Message
What, you think that the banging drums, the crashing of cymbols, and the noisy guitarist isn't music? Well, yeah I mean it does kill plants and damage your ear drums.

But once in while there will we be a great melody. Swing, swing, from the table tops. My heart is crushed my a former love.

-StarLover

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juniperb
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posted August 30, 2003 09:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
I`m with you on this one jwhop. A herd of goats bleating or llamas humming has more rhythm, melody, or harmony than whats passing for music these days.... but, seems like my mom said the same thing to me once upon a time.

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jwhop
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posted August 30, 2003 09:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
Oh yeah StarLover

Once in a while!!!!!!!!!

Once in a while
will you try to give
one little thought to me
though someone else may be
nearer you heart.

Once in a while will you dream
of the moments I shared with you,
moments before we two drifted apart.

In love's smoldering ember
one spark may remain.
If love still can remember
the spark may burn again.

I know that I'll be contented
with yesterday's memory
knowing you think of me
once in a while.

Hey juniperb, momma knows best

Just take those old records off the shelf
I'II sit and listen to 'em by myself
Today's music aln 't got the same soul
I like that old time rock 'n' roll

Don't try to take me to a disco
You'll never even get me out on the floor
In ten minutes I'II be late for the door
I like that old time rock'n' roll

Still like that old time rock'n' roll
That kind of music just soothes the soul
I reminisce about the days of old
With that old time rock 'n' roll

Won't go to hear them play a tango
I'd rather hear some blues or funky old soul
There's only one sure way to get me to go
Start playing old time rock 'n' roll

Call me a relic, call me what you will
Say I'm old-fashioned, say I'm over the hill
Today' music ain't got the same soul
I like that old time rock 'n' roll

Still like that old time rock'n' roll
That kind of music just soothes the soul
I reminisce about the days of old
With that old time rock 'n' roll

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posted August 30, 2003 10:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for QueenofSheeba     Edit/Delete Message
So jwhop, you're saying the entire world should conform to your musical tastes? I don't dare speculate on what those might be.

Ra- all the controvesial evidence unearthed by Sitchin and dozens of other scholars is subject to the 'Faked!' label. You might remeber the case of the anthropoligist who announced that the Dogon tribe in Africa have knowledge of Sirius B, something not possible without telescopes. At first it was treated as evidence for extra-terrestrial contact with the Dogon (since obviously primitive peoples couldn't construct telescopes themselves) but the Establishment soon came up with counter-arguments: first, the anthropoligist was mistaken. He had done shoddy field work. And second, maybe the Dogon actually did have telescopes at one point, since grinding lenses isn't really that hard.
[the above paragraph has been edited- Sirius B isn't actually visible without telescopes]

My point is that no matter how much evidence is unearthed that people in ancient times knew more about astronomy than we give them credit for, there are always ways to say 'Faked!' Which makes belief in ancient astronauts something of a matter of faith.

Hope that wasn't too pointless...

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posted August 30, 2003 11:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
The whole world QOS? Good lord no, I'd be satisfied with just the US. In the mean time, I'll keep my remote controls handy to turn the screechers off.

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posted August 31, 2003 11:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for QueenofSheeba     Edit/Delete Message
And what about the thumpers, bangers, yellers, and screamers?

'So hang onto your pantyhose,
Sing the chorus and it goes:
I'm Slim Shady, the real Slim Shady,
All the other Slim Shadies are just imitating..'

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posted September 01, 2003 08:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
Eminem has his place as well as the other modern screamers . That place ISN`t blaring down my road sending wildlife scattered in all four directions!

You never hear a car go past blasting Moonlight Sonota or Greensleeves. So why is it the screamers are shared with the public so disrespectfully? I`m serious, what is it that makes the fans think it`s appropriate to blast everyone within a mile radius? That most certainly isn`t the best way to create NEW fans!!

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jwhop
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posted September 01, 2003 02:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
OK, so who's da wiseguy?

Last night, someone called me up and played me some music--no talk, just music. At least it wasn't the latest hit by Thumper, Whine and Screech.

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Ra
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posted September 01, 2003 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message
Queen,

I know your point well, and it does hold much weight in the public mind. But, if one were to investigate further, one would find that the 'Establishment' has done nothing more than twist the facts to their own ends. The evidence is there, and it is more than simply a matter of faith, it is a matter of fact, otherwise I would not give these things so much serious consideration.

I would like to see where the 'Establishment' has proven any of Sitchin's work to be faked. I would even challenge them to do so! I wish they would try! PUBLICALLY! It simply will not happen with any degree of success.

The 'Establishment' teaches our children (at least in the U.S.) that Colombus discovered America. We know this is not true. Why is it perpetuated? The 'Establishment' is constantly re-writing history - always has.

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posted September 01, 2003 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarLover33     Edit/Delete Message
They told me that Theodora was a good empress.

-StarLover

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raj_105_2001
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posted September 02, 2003 09:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for raj_105_2001     Edit/Delete Message
Very interesting, Ra!

btw, though Sirius could be seen through telescopes all complex details recorded by dogon tribe could be perceived only through advanced science. It cannot be done by simple tribesmen. Best view obtained by telescopes is faint star at distance but dogon recordings are very advanced.

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