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Gia
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posted May 31, 2004 08:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gia     Edit/Delete Message
I was around 15 years old. I was walking to school one day when another pupil who attended the same school as I did approached me. She was really excited to see me. She was clutching in her hands a photograph she had taken at a pop concert she'd attended during our school easter holiday. The photograph was a very sharp close up of a young teenage girl standing on a stage having her photo taken with this pop group. I was totally shocked. That girl in the photograph was me.

The thing is, I did NOT go to that concert. It was over 85 miles from where we lived. I was not even a fan of that particular group.

I swear on my mothers grave it was me. I looked exactly the same. I had the same clothes, jewellery, hair style, make up everything. She even had my ring on. The same one that my sister had given me for my 15th birthday. It was absolutely identical.

Nobody believed me when I said I didn't go to the concert. My father would never in a million years allow me to a concert so far from home. Not at that age anyway. Even my best friends accused me of lying and refused to speak to me for ages. I was in total shock and awfully upset. It was like looking at a clone. I don't know why, but, I kept thinking perhaps it was a sign I was going to die, or perhaps a sign of imminent doom.

I'd like to know if any of you have had similar experiences? It only happened to me that once. Later in life I read about dopplegangers. I think that scared me even more. Obviously I'm still around.... how do I know I'm really me?


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TINK
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posted May 31, 2004 10:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TINK     Edit/Delete Message
Something similiar but not quite as dramatic. Years ago I took a 2nd part time job at a drugstore. As I am writing this I can't imagine having the energy to hold down a full time and a part time job. Ahhh youth. Anyways, one night I strolled in and everyone came rushing over to me. Apparently a woman had been in who looked exactly like me. To the extent that a few of the employees and one of the managers said "Hi tink". Another manager saw this woman walk in and commented that for once I was early. They all insisted that she was an exact replica of me. My height, my haircolor and length, walked like me, blah, blah, blah. There was an item of clothing - jacket, handbag? can't remember - that was also identical to my own. Everyone was quite worked up about this. I had just read Gooberz a year or two previous so the idea of meeting my twin was particularly exciting. Alas, the mystery woman came into the store a few more times but never when I was there. I would have liked to have seen for myself.

Good story Gia. I believe you.

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talaith
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posted August 26, 2004 01:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for talaith     Edit/Delete Message
dear Gia ~

would you care to elaborate on what you've read about doppelgangers? what is it about them that is scary?

thanks!

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Gia
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posted August 26, 2004 01:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gia     Edit/Delete Message
I was only a young at the time. I had read an article in a German magazine about dopplegangers, it stated that they were the wraith of a living person. It said that if you happened to meet your own wraith face to face, it was a sign of some kind of doom and perhaps death. I don't believe that anymore.

Gia

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Sheaa Olein
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posted August 26, 2004 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sheaa Olein     Edit/Delete Message
I believe you too Gia

The concept of doppelgangers has always facinated me.

Mine is a strange one.. I was about thirteen, in a science lesson at St Teresa's in Effingham, you may know it Gia. The class was leafing through a science book section on teeth, and there on the bottom left picture, was a smiling photo of what appeared to be my teeth. I was baffled, I mean your teeth are pretty distinct, right? I stared at it for ages, even nudged the girl to my right, and demonstrated the precise similarities like a grinning idiot too.

Oh well I'll never really know, unless I sift through lots of science books!

Here's a strange quote I found on doppelgangers;

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Doppelgangers are ghostly doubles of living people and look very similar to the ghosts of the deceased. In some cases a person will come upon his own doppelganger who is typically engaged in some future activity.

Hmmm.. Not sure what to make of that

I found a rather smug site upon searching for Doppelganger info. It entices you about amazing stories but can't access them! See if you have more luck;
http://www.psychics.co.uk/coincidences/homepage.html

OMG guys, you won't believe this; http://www.treesandtheirdoppelgangers.com/ errmm.. Taxi!!

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trillian
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posted August 27, 2004 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Sheaa...that site has lots of 'members only' areas, highlighted with smiley faces.

I dunno, it's a psychic's site, promoting the psychic, so I find it a little difficult to take it seriously. I read a bit of the Titanic stuff, but they don't bother to document any of their claims, so that discounts them a great deal, in my book. But I only took a cursory glance around the site...

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Sheaa Olein
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posted December 30, 2004 09:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sheaa Olein     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Trillian ~ thanks for the reply I couldn't recall where this thread was and was beginning to think I'd imagined it!

Yes, you're right - one of the sites doesn't have a link anymore *shrugs*

Love to you tril

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TINK
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posted December 30, 2004 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TINK     Edit/Delete Message
My understanding is that the doppelganger and an astral twin are two very different things. An astral twin being another person who, for whatever reason, looks like you and maybe has even had similiar life experiences. An odd concept, maybe even unsettling to some, but essentially harmless. (of course in the wrong hands ... )The doppelganger is an aspect of the person. I think the evil twin concept has its roots in the doppelganger. Goethe wrote about meetng his doppelganger. It is not a pleasant experience. Supposedly, the doppelganger knows when the host is about to die and abandons the body 3 days previous. Rossetti did an drawing called How They Met Themselves, but whether it refers to the astral twin or the doppelganger I don't know. I'd guess the latter. www.css.edu/USERS/phagen/hon4777pr/rossetti-metselvesw.jpg

What have you dug up, Gia?

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Sheaa Olein
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posted December 30, 2004 10:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sheaa Olein     Edit/Delete Message
Hey TINK!

Good to see you
Yes I think you may be right about the doppelgangers and twins. The Goethe story tugs at my memory, although I can't quite remember it..

*online rummaging*

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Sheaa Olein
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posted December 30, 2004 10:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sheaa Olein     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah found a bit on it;
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In a case that suggests that doppelgangers might have something to do with time or dimensional shifts, Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, the 18th century German poet, confronted his doppelganger while riding on the road to Drusenheim. Riding toward him was his exact double, but wearing a gray suit trimmed in gold. Eight years later, von Goethe was again traveling on the same road, but in the opposite direction. He then realized he was wearing the very gray suit trimmed in gold that he had seen on his double eight years earlier! Had von Goethe seen his future self?


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TINK
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posted December 30, 2004 11:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TINK     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Sheaa! How are you? Hey, it looks like we're on the same page.

I think that Drusenheim story really is a case of "time or dimensional shifts". I don't think it was his doppelganger. The doppelganger would have stopped and said hello. There is another story where Goethe enters his study and there is the doppelganger sitting in his desk chair, with a knowing look and a menacing smile. Goethe had to stare him down. This second apparition had self-awarness. And I think that's significant. What do you think?

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Sheaa Olein
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posted December 30, 2004 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sheaa Olein     Edit/Delete Message
I'm good thank you Tink! Just preparing mysElf for the new year and all

Yes ~ I knew that story was different ~ thanks for clarifying!

I think it was Goethe's doppelganger in the story you related, yes. Do you know remember what happened to Goethe after seeing this doppelganger though?

I've heard of doppelgangers almost being like mystical warnings - only they end up startling the person who hasn't a clue it's a warning until the situation actually happened!

I recently heard a tale of a medical or law student called Robert, who practiced at Lincoln-Inn-Fields, London. The brief of the story as I recall it;

This is based around the 18th century. Robert wasn't that keen on his studies, and preferred to gamble, play and drink liquor till late ~ thus his studies falling by the wayside.

One night upon falling asleep with the candle on in his uni room. He awoke to a dark figure leaning over his bed, to his horror, on closer examination, he realised the face was his own - just battered, bruised and severley cut.

This bothered him greatly. Robert felt it was a warning to regain his time with his work. However 3 weeks later, he began to fall into old habits. He got into bad gambling debt with his peers and he ended up being beaten to a pulp.

Later in hospital, he asked the nurse for a mirror. The reflection was that exactly of the figure leaning over his bed 3 weeks previous, he noted with the same marks and bruises.

The nurse was the only one he told before he died and the story relates back to us today.

So doppelgangers ~ a strange phenomenom huh, Tink?

If this particular case with Robert was a warning ~ then why didn't it come with an audible message?

Maybe Robert did create a kind of time loop after the incident to warn his past self of the future incident? The image sticks and perhaps that is why there is no sound. If past, present and future are one ~ then maybe this is possible.. oh the mind boggles huh, dear Tink

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TINK
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posted December 30, 2004 01:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TINK     Edit/Delete Message
Mind boggling (sp?) is my very favorite pastime. Figuring things out is my second.

As the story goes, once Goethe had overcome the doppelganger, he was fortunate enough to live the rest of his life without its influence. A rare accomplishment.

I'll try to find a link to the whole story. I have a book around here somewhere that tells it too. God only knows where it is.

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Sheaa Olein
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posted December 31, 2004 04:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sheaa Olein     Edit/Delete Message
(Hey Tink, Bogfigling is my fav pastime too!)

Here ~ I'll help you find it.

Look, there it is *pointing*

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Randall
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posted January 04, 2005 10:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message

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Gia
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posted January 11, 2005 06:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gia     Edit/Delete Message
My beloved teacher blew my socks off again a few weeks ago. He explained that I have many of me walking around not just one astral twin, but many twins in many different realities. He explained that we are like the Prime Creator in fuction and are truly made in his image. He also explained that this law applies throughout the universe. He said our idea of cloning was a genetic memory of what we know to be possible. He said that we are of the same light source but refracted like prisims throughout the universe. Cloning he says is not the same as artificial intelligence. He does not feel that it's wrong, only that we don't yet fully have the necessary maturity to take on such an awesome responsibility.
Would not normally share this but in light of it popping up again I thought I'd confess my ignorance. Should you see yourself don't worry just say hi to yourself and treat yourself kindly.

You could very well say that Linda never really left at all. It was just the illusion.

Gia

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Philbird
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posted January 17, 2005 08:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philbird     Edit/Delete Message
I wonder if all our twin selves are at the same point in their lives as we are?!?

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Christinaeavynwarner
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posted February 28, 2005 09:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Christinaeavynwarner     Edit/Delete Message
Hi, Gia--this teacher you spoke of...is he your guru? And if yes...how did he come about? do you have to find your gurus, or do they come to you when you're ready?
And well, isn't all this kind of scary...giggles...I've watched too many horror movies, I'm scared stiff of things like that, and things that may wish us harm...which I wonder, what are they? The ones that wishes us harm?

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posted March 01, 2005 09:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Gia, that was a scary story.

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