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starr33
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posted August 03, 2008 03:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for starr33     Edit/Delete Message
My God, I've missed you folks! I had to take a 15-week course in 7 weeks, plus I just started the history of jazz, and still completing other course work just to graduate already. Any way I ordered You Were Never Born by John Wheeler, which finally arrived this afternoon. I just finished reading it and let me tell you this. Please do not waste your hard-earned dollars on this read. If you want to know what it is about I will tell you. Ok?

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Gooober
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posted August 03, 2008 07:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gooober     Edit/Delete Message
what did you not like about it?

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Randall
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posted August 04, 2008 09:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
What was it about?

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26taurus
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posted August 04, 2008 11:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
Well...we werent....so tell us about it!

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posted August 05, 2008 06:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charmainec     Edit/Delete Message

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What lies behind us, and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us ~Ralph Waldo Emerson

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starr33
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posted August 09, 2008 12:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for starr33     Edit/Delete Message
Maybe I was a bit harsh with my criticism, after all, his theme feels sound, but his repetitious content drove me bonkers! I forced myself to read through the end even though I had read the same words in the same sentences before. The book's layout is actual questions from former readers of his books and website followed by Wheeler's answers, which would be fine if the questions and answers weren't reworded to take up space. There are also too many grammatical errors, mainly with the omission of words, leaving some sentences with an awkward conveyance. Mistakes happen with all writers, but the book's editor was out to lunch.

Wheeler discusses non-duality or the illusion of separation.
Sarting on page 3,the heading, Review of the Basics, states the following:

It all comes down to clarifying your identity. You are already present. So there is no need to look for a future state, experience or attainment. What you are seeking to know is not separate or distant, since it is your own self. What you are must always be with you. Anything which appears and disappears cannot, by definition, be what you are. Thoughts, feelings, perceptions, experiences, objects-these all come and go. None of them as such can be the essence of what you are. So set those aside and continue to look into your true nature.
What is left to consider? Surprisingly little!

However, you are still present. You are still aware. Look at this presence of awareness itself. Having discarded all else, this is the only possible remainder and must be what you are. Your existence is beyond any doubt, and what you are is brightly aware. You are that knowing presence which is registering all thoughts, feelings and experiences. Look directly into this. This is the heart of the matter.

Notice that thoughts arise and set, but this presence-your own natural being-remains constant. There is no need to wait for the future to see this, nor is there any need for a special practice, technique or approach-simply because it is already present. You do not need to make an effort to be present and aware. It is completely natural and effortless. Look now and notice what you are and the sense of presence-awareness are not two different things. You are that which is present and aware. Many words are used to point to this essential nature: presence, awareness, consciousness, life, spirit, emptiness, being, God, oneness and so on. These are only simple pointers. And what they are pointing to is your true nature-nothing more or less.

Here are The Key Points exactly as written on pages 7&8.

The purpose of non-dual spirituality is self-knowledge. When we look to see what we are, we find that the only thing that can qualify as our essential nature is the unchanging sense of our being, which is both existent and aware. In looking at this sense of being-awareness, we see that it is already here and easily recognized.

Not only is it present, but it remains present and undisturbed in the midst of all thinking, feeling and experiencing. It is not something that comes to us as a future experience. It is not something that we get from a book or obtain as a result of practices, techniques or processes. Nor is it something that comes to us from outside, from a teacher, a divine being or any other source. We do not need an awakening or enlightenment experience to know our true nature. It is effortlessly present. In fact, there is nothing we can do to escape it. We have seen that our true nature is nothing objective, yet it is clearly evident beyond any doubt. We are not something apart from being-awareness-we ARE being-awareness. Thus, there is no separation between us and reality.

Finally, we have seen that this true nature, this essential awareness, is utterly and completely free of suffering, doubt, fear, worry and strife. Not only is it present and aware, but it is pure peace and freedom itself. For this reason, self-knowledge is not a matter of a deepening experience or of stabilization in our true nature. That would only be in reference to an imagined difference between what we are and what we imagine we may become in the future. It also assumes the reality of time, as well as a separate being that would attain some special state of awakening or enlightenment.

We have seen that these notions are dualistic. Self-knowledge is nothing if it is not a clear understanding of what already is. There is nothing beyond self-knowledge because self-knowledge is non-duality. All that appears is only an expression or appearance of the one, undivided, ever-present being-awareness. There is nothing beyond oneness. Nothing more is this unalterable being, awareness and freedom that can never be contradicted under any circumstances.


So what's my problem, you ask? Once the introduction is out of the way, I expected the body to unfold in a deeper sense-the way most books do. Wheeler is very good at pointers but he doesn't know how to elaborate these points. It doesn't say he co-wrote this book with anyone, which is unfortunate. Stringing words together along with using your intuition is so important to any writer, even those whose topic is metaphysical. There, I said what I had to say.

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Gooober
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posted August 12, 2008 08:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gooober     Edit/Delete Message
i hear ya!

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posted August 13, 2008 11:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Well-said.

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