posted June 29, 2012 01:42 AM            

loved it, and needless to say as per my habit i saw myself in that green misunderstood witch..

what broke my heart was clearly how she lost it in the last part of the book, she was losing it gradually until finally she realized the scarecrow was not Fiyero and then she just went mad..

posted July 02, 2012 04:43 AM            

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Remember, love can conquer the influences of the planets....It can even eliminate karma.

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posted August 30, 2012 09:19 PM            

Just keep in mind that the musical would be rated PG, but a movie more like the novel would be rated R at the very least and could easily be rated NC-17.

posted September 05, 2012 06:11 PM            

I haven't read the book yet; why do you think a movie version would be rated R (just curious)?

THanks again =)

posted September 05, 2012 07:03 PM            

Of course much of the book (especially the darker times) aren't even mentioned in the musical.

And how much did the musical portray the Cowardly Lion as a cub? In the novel he was tortured in class (after his mother killed) in an attempt to get the class to accept the Nazi-like contempt of Animals (as opposed to animals). Did they have that in the musical?

posted September 23, 2012 12:12 AM            

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Originally posted by Venus:
PixieJane, what do you think of the definitions of evil that were discussed near the end of the book? and about that line where Elphie described evil as a dragon in an egg..

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That was so many conflicting views of evil summed up on how people define it in base terms. I can't help but suspect the author had a discussion on it on Usenet given the wide disparity of thought on the matter.

And I think it was an astute observation on evil in the dragon egg. The biggest problem with identifying evil is it's so easy for evil to transfer itself to the crusader (if the crusader isn't evil enough already). For example, society the 70s saw itself reflecting on the rampant child abuse, and feminists focused on sexual abuse in particular. This is certainly good and in opposition of evil. But then psychiatrists found ways to exploit it for financial gain and the interest made the media (especially Geraldo, and his success inspired others to follow suit) then focused on it which included at least one who claimed to have been abused by Satanists (Christianity Today actually debunked it, I can't recall if they said she was schizo or an attention seeker) and thus through the media the social forces now standing up for children, feminists against child sex abuse, and fundies against Satanists (which tended to become anything other than Christian, heck Chick Publications even paints a great many Christians as secret Satanists) which was then exploited by prosecutors & politicians (even Al Gore exploited it) leading to a new evil and it, too, destroyed children's lives. That is to say those determined to fight evil became a disturbing reflection of the very thing they fought and claimed many innocent children directly and indirectly (while ironically overlooking plenty of genuine abuse victims). The dragon had disappeared from the egg all the moral crusaders had hatched and was then in the moral crusaders themselves.

And I also liked this line by Boq (which also reminds me of the above):

"People who claim that they're evil are usually no worse than the rest of us. It's people who claim that they're good, or anyway better than the rest of us, that you have to be wary of."

Btw, if you liked the discussions on good and evil then I recommend the novel White Oleander as both a mother & daughter reflect on the subject (and the girl, from age 13-18, changes her views a lot). One difference is that the mother really is evil (not 100%) and has learned to validate herself in her choices rather than rationalize it. The author said something about thinking up the mother when thinking of some really amoral Japanese women (or maybe it was a queen, I forget) many centuries ago with a philosophy that justified their ruthlessness and wondered what would such a person be like today in our modern society? I found the mother both evil and scary, but she was also intriguing and fascinating, too. And, of course, her daughter is forced to deal with that philosophy as she matures.

posted September 26, 2012 09:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
There is a movie already?

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