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SDragon
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posted March 07, 2015 11:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SDragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Krishnamurti is a recognized philosopher, but less recognized mystic of his time. His writing style is hard to read in one sitting because it throws out questions that forces one to ponder and he is very particular about the context and idea of a word as interpreted by the reader's 'mind'. (Kind of like Gurdjieff). However, for those that actually want to investigate what the mind is, not through meditation or some abstract or ritual or mantra, his questions and talks are very thorough. I would say you cannot understand the mind unless you've also followed the same map in a sense.

On another note, I found out I have the same Uranus retrograde in Scorpio in the 9th house as Krishnamurti so maybe that's why I find my own understanding of mind along the same lines as his.

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So in the process of self-knowledge there comes freedom. It is this freedom that will bring about collective action, not the conditioned mind that is made to act. Therefore there is no collective action in any form of compulsion, coercion, reward, or punishment. It is only when you and I are capable of finding what is Truth through self-knowledge, that there can be freedom; then there is a possibility of real collective action.

There is no collective action when there is common purpose. We all want a happy India, a cultured India, a cultured world; we all say that is our aim; we know that, we repeat it, but are we not throwing it away all the time? We all say there must be brotherhood, there must be peace and love of God; that is our common aim; and are we not destroying each other though we profess we have a common purpose? And when the leftist say there must be collective action through collective thinking, is he not destroying, bringing about misery, war, destruction? So a common purpose, a common idea, the love of God, the love of peace, does not bring us together.

What brings us together is love which comes into being with self-knowledge and freedom. The 'myself' is not a separate unit; I am in a relationship with the world; I am the total process. So, in understanding the total process which is the 'me' and which is the 'you', there is freedom. This self-knowledge is not the knowledge of 'me' as a separate entity. The 'me' is a total 'me' of everyone of us, because I am not isolated. The 'myself' is the total process of humanity, the 'myself' is 'you', in relation with one another. It is only then in that self-knowledge there is freedom. Then the world becomes our world - not your world, or a Hindu world, or a Catholic world, or a communist world. It is our world, yours and mine, in which to live happily, creatively. That is not possible if we are conditioned by an idea, if we have a common end for all of us. It is only in freedom which comes with the understanding of the 'me' which is the total process of man, that there is a possibility of collective thought and action.

That is why it is important in a world that is torn apart by religions, by beliefs, by political parties, that this should be very clearly understood by each one of us. Because there is no salvation in collective action; that way lies more misery, more destruction and more wars; it ends in tyranny. But most of us want some kind of security. The moment the mind seeks security, it is lost. It is only the insecure that are free, but not the respectable, not the man who is secure. Please listen to this. In any enriching of the mind, in any belief, in any system, there is never freedom. And because the mind is secure in some form or pattern of action, because of its bondage, it creates action which produces more misery. It is only the free mind - that is, when you understand the process of the self, the 'me' with all its contents, the mind is free - that can create a new world. Then that is our world; it is a thing we can build together, not create to the pattern of some tyranny, of some god. Then you and I can work; then it is our world to be built, to be nurtured, to be brought into being.

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posted March 08, 2015 10:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've been wanting to read him.

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posted May 26, 2015 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SDragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry, been really busy - only on page 85 ;/ Will try to find another good passage to quote when I have more time.

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posted October 01, 2017 01:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SDragon:
Sorry, been really busy - only on page 85 ;/ Will try to find another good passage to quote when I have more time.

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Two years flew by!

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I hope the next year does!

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