posted May 17, 2002 10:56 AM         

I was dreaming...one of those don't matter to a hill of beans dreams when all of a sudden in the middle of it, I heard my old boss say he needed to speak with me.

Now to set this up, every time I see Saturn, I think of my old boss. He was a 'cappy'...and they wrote the book about him. Stern at times, elderly, but if you do what he asks correctly or learn from any past mistakes...he is a teddy bear. But he did expect me to learn and not repeat any errors. Actually he was my very favorite boss. I worked for him 11 years.
He was very well respected in the community and held several important positions.

Now, back to the dream. When I heard him call me, my clothes changed into the type I wore when I was his secretary. He was seated behind his desk holding a very very pretty satin lined box. He was re-sewing the lining on the box. I thought to myself that I could have done that if he had asked.

Then I thought, it was so pretty I would kinda like to have it, but didn't feel it was mine....and after sewing it up, he then gave it to the janitor standing nearby (who suddenly appeared).

My boss then said come with me, I need you opinion on something important. We walked into a hallway with tons of storage boxes all over...He said he was thinking of making some big changes, and wanted my opinions first.

I was thinking maybe changing the color of his sofa in his office (yes that was my thought). He pulled out a clipboard and said this was something he needed to know first. And please answer as best you can.

What is your definition of ARBITRARY and how it relates on the MORAL, CLASSICAL and NEO-CLASSICAL LEVELS. He peered over his glasses (on the tip of his nose) and looked at me.

When I didn't answer right away, he said....'You can ask your little friend Ra to help, I would like to know what he thought also.'

Ra...if it is important, he was wearing a black suit (no tie tho, and he seldom didn't wear a tie) with a grey shirt.

Than he said...go think about it, and BLAM I was awake at 6am this morning...I mean wide awake enough to write all this down on some paper.

Since 'he' mentioned you, I felt you should know too. Ra, I have no idea about any of this. I looked up ARBITRARY -based on one's preference or whim. Capricious/absolute despotic.

But it might also be related to ARBITOR or Judge.

He was the kind of boss I looked up to and respected a lot. And learned so much from him just cause I hated to let him down or disappoint him. So the man in my dreams creates the same feeling inside me.

And why do I keep thinking of SATURN?

posted May 17, 2002 03:26 PM         

Actually I couldn't help but laugh when I read it for some reason like it was kinda hilarious. Funny how dreams are. And the way you think (have thoughts) in your dreams.

posted May 17, 2002 04:00 PM         

We are all waiting for your reply. My guesses start again.
Saturn-karma-lessons to be taught, Yivy's old boss whom she respected.
It seems to me, that boss was Yivy's higher self, a different side, talking to her,almost as if half is Yivy and the other half her higher self.Yivy, is asking for an opinion on some task that she is doing,which she is not very sure of.
She feels that she should be completing it, but is unable to muster confidence.(?? Yivy-cant picture u not having confidence). I feel the box is that Karma, that task-the linen stitching part seems to relate to softening/beautifying the deed, i.e the final steps of the work.
When Yivy-will get through the task, she will have several more such jobs to do-the boxes being strewn around.
Yivy, is doing something which concerns humans now-she seems to have reached a particular stage, but is now lacking confidence to finish it.
Strange-all this just flowed to me. I am not a dream interpreter at all.
Okay, finishing my blah-blah.

posted May 17, 2002 07:12 PM         

Him dressed in black is important - it represents the unconscious origin of the material. Deserving of a closer look, for sure!

posted May 17, 2002 10:30 PM         

What I found funny was his saying' your little friend, Ra'...like we were kids on a playground

posted May 18, 2002 07:31 PM         

YIVY, we ARE kids on a playground, from "his" perspective!!

Your old boss is certainly representative of a higher aspect of self (authority/higher power). But he could also indicate that force which is needed to overcome some obstacle. And I think Seeker nailed it - it has something to do with self-confidence. I think it has to do with worthiness, or feelings of inadequacy, and your boss is an unconscious (black) symbol of the nature of, and solution to, a present block, which - as seeker said - could relate to karma (saturn). He also pushed you to be your best.

He has a box - very symbolic. Think about all of the things contained in boxes - treasure, jewelry, precious things, religious things, wisdom/knowledge, "old" material (good or bad), power, etc. This box is pretty - the symbolic content is "positive".

So the "gift" that you desire from your unconscious is available, but before you may have it, it must be mended by that aspect of self symbolized by your boss, or that aspect needs mending. It/you (box) must also first be "cleaned", purified, readied (janitor).

Your unconscious is about to make "some big changes." Old material will be thrown out, packed up, refiled, etc. The unconscious is cleaning house. You begin to envision changes at the suggestion of it. You think of changing the color (vibration) of his (your unconscious) sofa (the "seat") in his office (power/decision making place). I think this is the "gift" in the box, a greater personal power unloosed from within the unconscious.

Now the question, and there is something to the connection between these words and your development. "What is your definition of ARBRITRARY and how it relates on the MORAL, CLASSICAL, and NEO-CLASSICAL LEVELS?" Oh, brother, sounds like an exam question!

I think the reference to me was simply symbolic of the transfer of unconscious to conscious material. Perhaps the answer to the question is symbolic of something.

Anyway, I can only give a guess. I think of arbitrary as being in the middle, as seeing both sides, understanding both, and easily going with either, being non-judgemental. As to the way it relates to the "LEVELS", I would say that it is of great importance to hold an arbitrary outlook on all of them. Do not judge morality, be pliant. See things classical in an arbitrary sense so that one does not become bound by them. See things neo-classical as arbitrary so that one may understand the old, the classical, as it applies to the new expression of the old - so that one may understand cycles without becoming part of them.

And there is a progression here - being arbitrary to morality helps one understand the classical (morality changes with time). Understand the classical and the neo-classical may be understood. Understand the cyclic activity behind them all and understand something of power, or perhaps KARMA.

What do you think?

posted May 18, 2002 09:26 PM         

Ra, when he asked the question, I knew then it was a dream, and perhaps I 'dream thought' the confusion and hesitation, so 'he/me' said to ask you....as to me and many here, you represent in both our conscious and subconsious state, the DREAM MASTER...an image we can now call on when we get stuck.

And speaking of getting rid of old trash and cleansing ourselves...it was yesterday I suddenly had the idea that I needed a ritual cleansing bath. The one I wrote about in the HEALTH forum. Funny, I have not felt the need in a very long time....so it was related. At least that is how I see it now since you told me that about my dream.

Seeker....I really want to thank you for your insight. It is becoming quite apparent that you are growing into quite a GURU. You hit on several aspects that really make me stop and think

Is it just me, or are more and more people dreaming more vividly lately with the dreams having more importance than just regular self discovery ones? And more people are remembering the dreams?

And, RA....the cleansing bath yesterday brought several hidden things I had to the surface. They sorta just flew out today. Things I really had thought I had gotten a handle on, but realized still needed work.

And I keep thinking from ARBITRARY of a judge. Something I will have to meditate on.

Seeker and RA....you have no idea how good it was of you two to help me see things a bit more clearly.

THANKS

posted May 18, 2002 10:20 PM         

It's generally not a good thing to be arbitrary in selections. You need to think them over carefully and rely on your intuition.

posted May 18, 2002 11:51 PM         

I just have to let you know YIVY, since you mentioned the ritual bath you did the other day, I'm getting a strong feeling of something going on with you. Not bad, but I think it's good that you did the bath, because I get a very strong gut feeling that you're picking up on what other people are going through. I'm not sure whether it's on your conscious level, but I feel like lately there have been a lot of people with problems around you, and the energy of their problems was accumulating, unseen. Kind of like a filter, I'm feeling that your filter needed a good vacuuming

posted May 19, 2002 11:16 AM         

I think this position is an aspect of the "middle road", the path which the immortal travels. It is about being connected with the third-person you, the "note-taker" aspect of self, the higher self.

posted May 19, 2002 11:03 PM         

Ra....something you just said about the 'note-taker'. Well, I haven't really noticed him for quite a while, but today that 'little imp' appeared on my shoulder and I noticed him fixing to take notes on something I was about to say about someone.

Then I changed my mind and didn't say anything....the 'note-taker' nodded and started scribbling in his little pad.

Just thought it was funny you should mention him and he showed up today. Then when I read your reply.......

posted May 20, 2002 02:09 AM         

You dont have to thank me, I am so glad that things flowed, when I read ur post.
Ra, u are the Guru.
Yivy-I felt, that the box was of prime importance-there is something very very major and big that you will embark on. It is on your energy level now.
You are right-ultimately-we have to fight things ourselvs. I am having a lot of dreams, and a lot of disturbances too.
My back problem-was the biggest eye opener for me, on several counts-just thanking God for giving me that experience.
Pl. keep us posted on ur experience-waiting for the breakthrough.
May there be lite all around.

posted May 21, 2002 12:07 AM         

Seeker...You know I will keep you guys updated as I value the great insight all of you have given me