posted April 29, 2002 11:13 PM         

I just read YIVY's thread, where she's been so busy running around doing work while sleeping. I've been having a lot of dreams like that the past week, YIVY.

I'm going to try to remember my dream from this morning, because I would love to know what you guys think of it.

Not a fun dream But, not as vivid as some of my other dreams, it was vivid enough that I could recall the details and such, but I didn't feel out of place when I woke up this morning.

In the first part of the dream, I was supposed to be in Rome, taking a trip, a tour of Rome with some friends or family. I remember I was on a bus, some sort of tour bus. It was very hot outside, and I was wearing some sort of sun dress. It felt like it was at least 95 degrees.

Next thing I remember, I was in Vatican City, or around the area with a group of tourists. I was walking in the middle of the street, there were no cars driving on the road, just pedestrians walking. I was at an intersection between four city blocks with buildings. I was looking at a map, or...no, it was in a book I think. All of a sudden, I heard gunfire, and I ducked and laid myself down on the asphalt. There was a man with me, but I don't know who he was, I think he was a fellow tourist.

While down on the pavement, I was afraid for my life. There were terrorists of some kind in the area, people running, a lot of commotion. I was afraid if I got up I would be shot.

Next thing I knew, there were footsteps behind me. Several men were coming our way with guns. They told us to kneel on our knees and one of the terrorists held a gun to the back of my head. He said, "You have a choice. Choose your life or that of your neighbor's, one of you will die." I was frozen in shock, the man beside me was crying. I thought about things for a minute and then said, "You can take my life."

Instead of the man shooting me, he turned the gun on himself and shot himself

posted April 29, 2002 11:55 PM         

And says so much about yOu

posted April 30, 2002 03:09 AM         

Seeker
Ra-waiting for the expert's comments

posted April 30, 2002 06:49 PM         

It is funny you should mention YIVY's dream, I thought about you when I read it. You have been doing this awhile, have you not?

This dream you had is impressing me from different directions. It feels like there may be a personal, symbolic meaning as well as something more literal. In fact, I get strong feelings of something perhaps precognitive. Do you get that feeling at all? Does anyone else?

I thought this was going to be relatively simple (but deep nonetheless) but now the message seems to be thickening.

The personal, symbolic aspect is about sacrifice, but you knew that. It feels to me that this layer of meaning is about making, or having made, some personal sacrifice the effect of which was the negation of some sort of karma (terrorist shot himself after you made the "right" decision). There are plenty of indications that this is a spiritually focused message.

But there is so much more! The feel of the entire dream is realistic. Except for one thing, the way in which the terrorist speaks to you. This has a very different feel, almost angelic. How paradoxical, but how appropriate!

I have run out of time! I promise to write more on this tomorrow.

posted April 30, 2002 11:13 PM         

Ra, I have been doing a lot of ministering to souls while I sleep, as of late. Lately my dreams have been very "crowded." Many more people in my dreams who I don't personally know than normal. I seriously hope that it's *not* a precognitive dream, since I do get those, as we know. I think I'm hoping that by posting it, if there is something precognitive in the message it won't come to pass...kind of like I'm attempting to jinx it, maybe?

The way that the man spoke in my dream did seem very strange when I thought about it, almost like a moral lesson of some kind...I don't know, I'm still trying to make sense of it, as well!

posted April 30, 2002 11:20 PM         

Anyway, they all pretty much ended the same with me still alive (tho in one he said sorry and did shoot me), and talking the guy either into leaving or killing his self. I didn't post them cause I thought them way too weird.

But I have found parts of me are calmer and more balanced lately, so I'm wondering about your explanation, Ra...as to them being karma that ended. Maybe that is it...either that or I really am weird

posted May 01, 2002 01:56 PM         

YIVY, much the same situation for you, I think. But this dream of gooberlily's has an added ... feel or layer, or something. Difficult to describe.

I am not sure how to explain further the ending of a karmic "debt" as I see it here. In this context, the terrorist (or murderer)
represents some unconscious, negative happening. Like Seeker said, "a challenge within yourself", created in some other life (more than likely) that has crept back into some part of your consciousness because it is time to deal with it. This could take place completely within the realms of non-physical reality - in the astral, the mental, in dreams, etc. Or, it may be a representation of that which you are dealing with in the physical, karmically. Gooberlily was given a choice, she chose correctly (for her particular situation), and was rewarded with the death of the root of the problem, not to arise again, gone.

Before I run out of time again, I will try to hit on some of my thoughts about the other aspects of the dream, at least what I am feeling about it.

For some reason, the "angel as a terrorist" feeling/thought, in conjunction with the realism, and the depth of the personal message concerning karma, sent me spiraling.

The karmic theme is what is sticking. As many of us know, there are different levels to karma - personal, group, etc. I see all levels represented in this dream beginning with the obviously spiritual nature of it all (Rome, Vatican, Angel, etc.). There is international (or world), national, group and/or racial, family, and personal.

All of the places you mention in the dream are in the headlines. The conflict in these places is ancient. There are forces working here, in these places, that have planetary implications. This particular part of the struggle between forces has been playing out for thousands of years, and especially active in the past centuries. Parts of it are coming to a head now. Sadly to say, it would not surprise me at all to see your dream replaying on the evening news, I have been expecting it, as have many others.

I hope you are right gooberlily, I hope these things do not come to pass in this manner, but the karma is heavy, and it is not showing any signs of lessening. I suspect there is work being done on other levels (not physical), work to lessen, or divert, or heal the karmic buildup, but (I have heard) the need is great and the workers are few. This is along the lines of the "Monroe" type of work.

Pray for them, for us, and watch the Vatican, and Israel.

posted May 01, 2002 06:34 PM         

On the very same night you had an extraordinary dream, I, too had a dream of a terrorist attack but in a different location, in Miami. I was too frightened to even think about it.

I dreamt I was working at dusk (sun was going down, just barely) all of a sudden, the terrorists surrounded the city of Miami. People in the building where I was were running around or away, scared. I could see flashing of gunfires/bombs. I had Shane with me (my hearing dog.) I just stood there, frozen, looking though the huge window bay inside the building. I didn't know where to run as it looked like we were trapped, then my brother (who was killed in Viet Nam in 1969) showed up, wearing army outfit, told me to follow him so I followed him with Shane on lease, running to safety. Once I was in a safe place, my brother left. He saved my life (and Shane's too)

That's all I remember, but it was scary!! I don't know what that means. Usually I understand what my dreams mean, but this one, I don't. I hope it doesn't come to pass.

Mele

posted May 02, 2002 12:06 AM         

It would be interesting to know what Shane dreamed that night. Just when reading what you wrote, I had this powerful 'feeling' that maybe Shane is some thing more than a 'dog'.

And about your brother showing up. It makes me wonder if maybe he hasn't re-incarnated, but is hanging around on the 'other side' still watching out for his sister

Still blows me away the intense 'feeling' I had about Shane.

posted May 02, 2002 05:45 AM         

and Peace to all,

posted May 02, 2002 09:05 AM         

I wish I could create a Newspaper that brought Happy news, every morning!

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posted May 02, 2002 10:19 AM         

Mele, for some reason, I get absolutely nothing from your dream. Very unusual. No feelings at all.

I will have to ponder that!

posted May 02, 2002 10:40 PM         

Thanks all for your input The fact that a few of us have been having odd dreams like this, as of recent, makes me know at least I'm not going looney or something

On a serious note, I was watching CNN when they had on the fire and shootings that took place in the vecinity of the Church of the Nativity Usually, in the past, any dreams I had that pointed to future events, it took about a month for the dream to show itself while I'm awake. For some reason though, within the past year it's been taking a shorter amount of time. Not that that's good or anything, I really don't like having dreams like this anyway to begin with...and I consider myself so blessed to have the wonderful support I've had here from all of you.

I'm hoping my dream is over now. I thank all of you for adding your thoughts on what I dreamt about

Time to go to sleep soon and see how I might be able to help some more, at least now I feel that I'm at a point where I can do some service by helping out while on the astral.

I'll continue saying prayers for Israel and the Vatican, the two places I feel were strongly pointed out in my dream.

posted May 03, 2002 08:27 AM         

The distance between you and the "source" of all things is decreasing, hence the shorter time. You must be mediatating/reflecting/remembering.

posted May 03, 2002 01:24 PM         

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posted May 03, 2002 01:47 PM         

Gooberlily, unfortunately, I feel that these things have only begun to come to pass. There will be more.

I also feel that what you have picked up on is rather larger than the minor skirmishes that were pointed out in the dream. The places in your "dream", I feel, are symbolic of the energies that lay behind them, yet also very literal.