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oceanwench38
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posted September 26, 2001 03:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for oceanwench38     Edit/Delete Message
I had this dream, which I am sure is either a memory or a dream that I have had in the past and just did not conciously remember.

I was in a foriegn country (China I think)and all the signs were in this foreign language. I was with some people, so we went into a fast food place that was painted in yellow ... actually, it was bright yellow plastic walls. The menu was in this language, and I began to panic because I did not understand it. Then I saw Pizzaeue .... So I got in line. For some reason I was already eating pizza-like meal while waiting in line .... then I ordered a new one with chicken on it. I know, seems weird to bring up .... but the women serving me was a women at work and she was having trouble communicating with a customer. She made a statement about having already explained the whole thing to this customer ....but I took her hand and said "In all honesty, no you did not ...." But she just would not listen ... she would not accept that she hadnt conveyed anything to this customer. I then found myself outside on the sidewalk ... it was nightime and very poplulated. I noticed a stone fiqure about twice the size of my hand sitting on the sidewalk ... I picked it up ....and was so happy to have found it. Artistically it was wonderful, simple lines .... very original. Then I noticed a man, chinese maybe, looking at me ....and all of a sudden I noticed a whole line of these little statues along the sidewalk .... some were large in height, some tiny, medium, standing, sitting .... I think they were supposed to be Buddha-like fiqures. They were all made of the same material, this gray stone, but each one was unique. The one that was closest to me, near my feet, had a flame like a candle. Suddenly it flickered out .... then sparked, then out again. I discovered that if I blew on it, it lit up sometimes but not always. There was a voice that said it was up to me wether the flame kept on. But it was scary in some ways ... like when you look in anothers eyse and you get that chill. Is that because I am looking in my own soul, the things I do not like about myself? Then, I looked at the man and apologized, saying I hadn't realized the statue I was holding/picked up was his ... he just stared at me and did not say a word. His look was hard ..... and I did not really know if he was listening, or angry with me, or just letting fiqure things out for myself. Glared ... he glared at me. I never did fiqure out if it really was his statue or not.

What do you think?

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posted September 26, 2001 08:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for oceanwench38     Edit/Delete Message
PS~ I have noticed that when I glance at the clock and the time is something like 5:55 or 12:12, etc, I am usually trying to come to a decision .... some large like where to purchase a house, to small like what to have for dinner. Too early to tell if that is why the numbers are there, but I was wondering if yo have noticed the same thing?

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posted September 26, 2001 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for oceanwench38     Edit/Delete Message
Also, I just remembered this: When I went to pay for my pizza I handed the women a 5$ bill. She was angry, she told me I had to give her exact change ... which was 3.25 ... then the next customer handed her a 50$ bill, and she got angrier. I believe that this ... the needing the exact change .... was the "thing" that she claimed to have told the male customer .


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posted September 26, 2001 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message
Wow, OSheen. I do not have much time at the moment to go into great detail, but I will give you my first thoughts.

Have you noticed yourself changing? Your inner self? Does this growth (and it is growth) require realizing/recognizing and letting go of some possibly painful memories or relationships? Are you beginning to understand, and more importantly - to know - some of the underlying "mysteries?" Exceedingly difficult to explain, but very real?

These things are indicated by the dream.

I will try to give details later.

Oh, and the numbers - I believe that is definately part of it. Great observation!

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posted September 26, 2001 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marigold     Edit/Delete Message
I don't know if it's relevant to your dream but, in Chinese medicine, yellow is linked to :
season = late summer/before fall, the time when you gather fruits
element = earth
organs = stomach and spleen
sentiment, feeling = empathy, sympathy
Also linked to Mother, nurturing, to the senses of smell and taste, to the sound of the voice...

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posted September 26, 2001 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chronicprincess     Edit/Delete Message
Yellow~ the color of sunshine... Have you been getting enough sun, OSheen? (I'm serious )

Interesting, Marigold, that she had this dream in *late summer, before fall*

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posted September 26, 2001 06:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marigold     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah and about China, about food and about lack of empathy...

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posted September 27, 2001 06:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for raj_105_2001     Edit/Delete Message
Osheen, I get the distinct feeling that the woman who couldn't accept that she hadn't conveyed her message, is yourself.

The man's look was hard, because I think he is trying to say, it doesn't matter if the statue was his or not, that he cannot accept you not ready to learn this lesson.

I go with Ra, there is a change in your philosophy of Life - something that is associated with Chinese, or something that China reminds you or something that is associated with China in your mind. Chinese symbols are everywhere in your dream - the foreign country, the yellow walls, the Buddhist statues, the chinese man. This 'flame' - it is up to you whether you keep it or not.

More importantly you are afraid of this new philosophy - it is very foreign (the panic you felt on seeing the foreign language menu). Though you feel that it is simple and original ( the statue you picked up).

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posted December 26, 2001 04:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message
OSheen - I can not believe it has been this long since you posted this! This dream keeps coming up in my mind, so there must be something to the timing here.

There is much to it, and I will tell you about it as soon as I get time to type it all out! (should not be too long )

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posted December 26, 2001 08:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for oceanwench38     Edit/Delete Message
Ra~~~I Missed You!!!!!! I am so happy to "see" you

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posted December 27, 2001 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message
Ok OSheen, here we go. I hope this means something to you!

Foreign country symbolizes an aspect of self unfamiliar to you. The foreign language on the signs and menu indicates a form of knowledge or communication foreign to you, but nonetheless being relayed to you by a higher consciousness (yellow). The plastic aspect could mean two things - something false or fake, or something pliable and conforming. I get the feeling that there is something presenting itself to you in a way which seems enlightened (but perhaps is not) and the choices (menu) and information are so different to your usual thought processes, that you are having difficulty understanding and it is causing confusion. This is something you need (food) but it is coming to you too quickly or perhaps in a substandard condition (fast food). But even within all of this unfamiliarity there is something familiar (pizza) in it, and you naturally gravitate towards it. Since you already have some familiarity with this (pizza) but you still seek something different, you order it with chicken. Chicken, in this case, could represent sacrifice. Pizza, which is round, is a symbol of the mandala, the self. As with "foreign language", symbolizing a problem in communication, we also have the woman serving who is having "trouble communicating." Raj is right, she is you. You also say she "would not listen", "would not accept." This makes communication difficult indeed! There is something you are not hearing, something you are not accepting, and it is causing problems for you as you try to express or communicate.

So, in the first scene we have similar messages being conveyed to you twice. There is something about you which is blocking further comprehension or understanding of things you wish learn and experience. You are aware that you want and need to continue upon this path, but there is some aspect of yourself that you are not aware of that is impeding your progress. Listen to what people are telling you, really listen - and this will require a change in the way you perceive, because people (or at least some person) have been telling you this all along - you have simply refused to acknowledge it. This will perhaps require a "sacrifice" of some aspect of your personality or psychology.

Well, I am out of time. I will write about the second scene tomorrow. (hopefully!)

Sorry OSheen!

Does this make any sense so far?


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posted December 28, 2001 02:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for oceanwench38     Edit/Delete Message
Ra, I cannot even begin to tell you tonight what "connections" your insight has caused for me .... I will have to let it sit for awhile

You know, Ra ... I was pulling up a thread I started called "Double Numbers" for Birdsong and I happened to notice a post of an experience that took place in the midst of all that double number choas ...

(on the way home I jumped on the subway without conciously looking, as I was talking to a friend and noticed a few minutes later the care number was 8555 ..... ok, no big deal. I got off at the station and we waited for the bus. After my friend got off of the bus, the number was 5888 ... WHAT? I thought that WAS a little weird Then, a few stops before I was to get off a man got up from his seat and walked to the back of the bus where I was and said "you know your dreams? The ones that are re-curring? You should listen to them .... " I said "I know, thank you" (what else could I say? I was ... at a loss for words) and he was walking back to the door to get off and I said to him "do you get them too?" and he said "um, something like that" but he got off so I did not get a chance to talk with him ... What a weird night.)

....and it reminded me of the man in my dream and of my not communicating/recieving the message .....

What do you think?

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posted December 28, 2001 02:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for oceanwench38     Edit/Delete Message
where did my post go?

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posted December 28, 2001 11:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Virgo Rising     Edit/Delete Message

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posted December 28, 2001 11:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Virgo Rising     Edit/Delete Message
Osheen,
I think you should get involved (start?) a foundation to work with people who have bi-polar, depression, and similar situations. It seems like you have so much to offer in alternative ways of handling these issues without depending totally on meds.
You offer much to people in general but you have a specific empathy in the above category. You just seem like the most fascinating, outreaching, and loving person. I imagine you would be an inspiration for a lot of people who have lost hope.

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posted December 28, 2001 07:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message
I am not sure what to think of that. Seems like you are making some interesting connections!

Now, the second scene.

You are now outside, on the sidewalk. I find it interesting that you have gone from a bright yellow interior to a dark exterior. This would indicate waking consciousness moving into unconsciousness, seemingly backwards. But in the context of this dream, it actually makes sense (I think ). There is something fake, something false about the yellow "enlightenment" inside the restaurant (restaurant represents a kind of collective waking consciousness). There is almost a feeling of misguidance or illusion/delusion. This seemingly enlightended perspective forces you to notice something within your perspective which is false, and causes you to realize that what you have been thinking all along is not truth. It is a case where two negatives make a positive. Your eventual realization of the lie throws you back into the collective unconsciousness (night with many people). Because of your realization, and even though you seem to be in the dark, you receive a "gift" of sorts. Much disillusionment can be dispelled upon being cast back into the unconscious beginnings. You will begin to recognize truth. The stone figure symbolizes something permanent, strong, and most likely something spiritual or religious. You also say that it is near your feet, which serves to reiterate the theme of foundation and strength. It represents ancient knowledge and perhaps something of an ability or stage of awareness. The small flame within it represents the spark, the beginning of, or the potential of the gift represented by the figure. This flickering of awareness is present within you now, and, as the voice told you, it is up to you whether the flame continues or not. The grey color of the stone indicates again that it is up to you, as grey symbolizes neutrality, but it can also symbolize humility, which could be a pointer. Another reference to communication as an answer is given as you blow upon the flickering flame. And you notice "a whole line of these little staues along the sidewalk". Each of them represent some basic, unique, and beautiful truth. And they lie upon this path (sidewalk) in the darkness. Intuition and a trust in the Universal Plan is indicated as a means of gaining these truths. You indicate a basic understanding of the dreamwhen you ask the question "is that because I am looking in my own soul, the things I do not like about myself?" This is precisely the message, and you are also being told to change these things if you wish to continue. And as you correctly continue, you will be rewarded with one little gift after another. The man who glared at you could be considered a gaurdian of this knowledge or path. He was scrutinizing you, and perhaps intentionally trying to fluster you.

Now you also remembered the numbers. This makes sense as well. The woman (you) is given $5 (by you). Five is the number of humanity and of the senses, and could indicate change or awakening of one or more of your "senses." She wants 3.25 which could be representing 10, but all she gets is 5. 10 is completion and 5 is change (and also that which changes not!). She wants completion but she gets nothing but "change", and she does not wish to deal with "change." 50, understandably, angers her even more, as 50 = 5 X 10. This is indicating that in order to gain the completion of 10, she must change, you must change.

That is it, finally.

Does this part make any sense?

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posted December 28, 2001 11:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for oceanwench38     Edit/Delete Message
Ra~that makes complete sense ... I do believe that there is a sense of delusion somewhere in my understanding of things ... I have realized two major things about myself that I never really saw before: A fundamental lack of trust in anyone .. I always am on the defense because I think eventually they will leave or are attempting to manipulate and use me in some way. So although I love people and try as much as possible to extend myself to them I fail to make a real connection because I am also "on the lookout" and any least thing that happens between another and I is a cause to believe the worst. Second: I do not trust people because I believe there is some basic evilness/dirtiness within me for which I am being punished.

We talk here in LindaLand about giving being the way to recieve (speaking in a material sense). However, this has not been my experience. I give money, etc, yet I find that it does not come back. I think this is because I feel on some level I do not deserve it and so I block out any benevolence that may be trying to reach me .... I have tried prayer, meditation, even begging ... yet it is always there. I have absolutely no idea how to rid myself of it and I suppose that the longer the feeling/belief lingers the more I feel that it is a part of me because I do not feel worthy of being free from it.

You know, I have this weird memory of being five years old and laying in bed. A man came into my room and I signed my soul over to the devil. I try to tell myself it is some crazy dream or mistaken event, but I cant shake it. I have never really been able to sleep. I have to lock my bedroom door at night and I often have to have the lights on when I sleep. THere is a fundamental fear when I am half asleep that I will possessed ... in fact, I have had experince where I was drifting off to sleep and felt my whole body shake and I always wake up screaming "I believe in the light, I believe in the light" because somehow I must think that it drives away this evilness.

I suppose that during waking hours I can supress this weird idea, this belief, but at night, alone, in the dark I am always terrified.

This dream, in some ways, reminded me of this ... and your insight, that there is a sense of delusion ....

(my apologies for my ranting)

I will notice what dreams I have tonight and over the next few days ....

THANK YOU!!!!! As usual, your insight is awsome and makes me go on .... and on ... and on

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posted December 29, 2001 12:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message
OSheen, even in waking life the darkness of unconsciousness scares you. There is definately something in your experience which has been pushed far back into your awareness, and it seems as though you are now beginning to re-establish contact with it. It exists as a flickering flame at the moment, just as in your dream.

There could also be a great deal of past life influences (karmic) playing themselves out here.

I told my mother this just a few weeks ago, and it applies to you as well - How can you get what you deserve if you do not accept it?

You are not evil, there is no way! You are simply dealing with some heavy energies, and it is not easy! But you will succeed, and it may be do to a sudden shift in your understanding, at least that is what the dream indicates.

Rant all you want, this is good!

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posted December 29, 2001 02:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Virgo Rising     Edit/Delete Message
O.K....I'm going to try something out here. If I'm way off base, someone please just tell me to 'Shut Up!'

What if the food place represents OSheen in a past life? The yellow representing when she was 'golden' and possible making money feeding people 'junk food'. Then the statues outside represent people she has affected (the flickering flame is somewhat in her control).
This would possibly account for her lack of trust in others and feeling of evilness for which she is being punished. Possibly also for depression in current life (Karma?).

I see OSheen as someone who has a whole lot to offer others in a spiritual/learning sense. She has the gift of opening others' eyes and hearts and is very 'in tune'. Possibly this is a carry over from a 'past' life that wasn't used wisely. Does this signify a need to ask forgiveness and forgive self?

Ra what do you think?

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posted December 29, 2001 09:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message
VR, I think you could be right! That is definately within the realm of possible meanings for the dream. There are different layers of meaning to most dreams, and past lives can be seen manifesting themselves in the dream state, offering clues to the true roots of the patterns we perceive.

We welcome your opinions here!! Always!

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posted December 29, 2001 10:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YIVY     Edit/Delete Message
Dream threads are always fascinating. I think we should officialy name RA as DREAM MASTER

And VR...that was most intuitive. It seems all of us are learning to trust our intuition in inturpreting dreams...but RA, you gave us the courage to explore dreams in ways we hadn't thought about.

So, VR, if RA said you 'did good' smile and collect your diploma

OSheen, just thought I would say, I think they are right...

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posted December 29, 2001 11:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chronicprincess     Edit/Delete Message
Osheen~ I wonder, if when you were very small you displayed strong psychic abilities and someone close to you considered your power(s) to be evil, someone who might have been fearful of, or didn't understand them, actually told you, or made you feel like *you* were evil and that you were *selling your soul* to the devil; and this *memory* you have was a child's way of dealing with the unacceptable realization that someone you knew, loved and/or trusted felt this way about you ? This could surely explain your *resistance* now to fully embrace your psychicness

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posted December 30, 2001 12:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for oceanwench38     Edit/Delete Message
VR~~~yes, I do see some relation ...

Caileah~~~I did remember something a few months ago ... which I told Ra about in a fit of long winded hysteria via email (poor Ra!) .... I have always heard voices telling me what was going to happen ... and I do remember a few times when I could not understand why my parents would not protect me against certain events that I told them would take place ... as a child, y'know, you do not understand that not everyone listens to their intuition. I just thought they did not care.

However, there are many things in my past which I have buried so I never really know what is there. My mother told me about a month ago that a friend and I had discovered a dead body when we were eight, yet I have absolutely no recollection of it. Apparently the police questioned us and everything.

I think you are certainly right ... in dreams I sometimes see myself using "powers" such as telekinesis, telepathy (which I do not have when awake ) but I am always frightened of it ... I feel there must be something wrong with me.

Well, I have had an ability growing up knowing when people were ill ... a sensitivity ... and I do remember telling my grandmother about her parents who had died.

It is just that that one night keeps replaying in my mind ... that "memory" of selling my soul. I am laying in bed, everyone is asleep. I am four or five. I sit up, this man comes in and he tells me something ... something that scares me. There is something about my age, something to do with me when I am in my twenties ... that at age 26 something will come to me.

When I am confused or upset, I draw in a meditative state ... and the things that keep coming up for me are razors, being cut with scissors .... and I keep drawing this weird picture of a man over and over. You see, when I was a kid, I kept this little dull jacknife under my bed to protect myself .... and I do remember thinking I would never let anything happen again. I was always terrified. Even as I write this I am soooooooo jumpy and every little sound makes me turn around in panic.

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posted December 30, 2001 12:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for oceanwench38     Edit/Delete Message
Hey .... I just noticed something.

I did not really think about this memory I just described to you all until about a month or so ago. It is not that I forgot it, just that I let it be quiet.

As I was writing the part about something coming to me when I was 26 it really frightened me. I began to panic. Then, after I posted it I noticed the date I had started this thread with my dream .... Sept 26 .... my 26th birthday ... which meant the dream took place on the 25/26 morning.

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posted December 30, 2001 01:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Virgo Rising     Edit/Delete Message
Princess...I think you have a valid point!

The whole soul selling scenario seems to me like it has to do with OSheen's gifts.

OSheen...do you repress your talents? Are you selling yourself short?

If the soul selling is valid, how would one go about reclaiming ones-Elf?


Could you imagine if children were taught this in school?! The 'boogey man' would cease to exist!

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