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posted November 05, 2002 05:23 PM         

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What does it mean when you realize you're dreaming and your dream-self says, "Hey, this is a dream...I can control this!"...
and then you can't control *anything* (even though you *know* you should be able to)?

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posted November 05, 2002 05:37 PM         

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Please accept this as a totally amatuer reply but......is it possible that at some point you snap out of deep (REM) sleep and at that point become more conscious hence the lack of control?

Just a v amateur theory, I confess. I have always had lucid dreams and never lost that control so my understanding is limited.

God Bless.

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posted November 05, 2002 07:05 PM         

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Dreaming represents a deeper state than that of any other state in which you control the scenario.
Dreams represent the processes of daily intake. Past experiences may come up as well as icons, symbols, people and places.
You were probably slipping from one state into the next where one moment you were Simi-conscious and moved from there to a deeper state where you have no control.
When people dream, they are resolving inner conflict generally. Your subconscious PROJECTS it's contents as you become aware of conflict and/or acceptance of past and present events in your life.

Perhaps this is a reflection of thinking that you can contol the UNcontrollable.

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posted November 06, 2002 10:24 AM         

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I think Venus and Diddle have a point here - you go from one type of sleep to another. I've got the irritating habit of analyzing the dream at this point, with the result that I don't remember nor the dream nor the intepretation when I wake up for good...But I'm sure it was a good one!

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posted November 06, 2002 01:08 PM         

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As crazy as it sounds, it could be a dream within a dream (dreaming that you're dreaming). A good test for a lucid dream is to make yourself fly when you realize that you are dreaming.

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posted November 07, 2002 04:41 AM         

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Randall,

It doesn't sound crazy at all. Some people have been known to pull that off on occasion.
I myself have experienced it before. It's quite amusing. You wake up confused.
I am sure there is a name for it, but I don't know what it is at the moment.

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posted November 07, 2002 09:07 AM         

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Thanks Diddle, VWP, SP, and Randall - a lot of good ideas to mull over...

Diddle - I'm not sure if that's it; the dreams usu. continue for a while after I realize that I'm in them but can't control them. I think it may explain some other dream-y things I experience. Thanks!

VWP & stella - That would make sense for the time that I had a lot of them (early- to mid-teens). I don't think that anyone but early-20-somethings think that they can control the uncontrollable more than that age group.

Randall - So, when you're in a lucid dream w/i a dream you wouldn't be able to fly when you tried?

Another question: I know that sleep cycles are supposed to have fairly set times (shortening the longer one's asleep), but have any of ya'll ever dozed off for what isn't any more than 5 minutes & started a full-blown dream (being awakened during and/or jolting yourself awake)?

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posted November 07, 2002 11:10 AM         

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I have had several 'varieties' of dreams including Lucid dreaming. I have found such types aren't dreamt by anybody else, and some other types of dreaming, that others have I usually don't have. Does anybody dream superimposed objects, like more than 3 objects at the same place? I know it sounds weird, but I used to get 'Superimposed dreams' every now and then. Like seeing a room, an ocean, a person, and a pen all in the same place, but you know they are not in the same place??

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posted November 07, 2002 11:37 AM         

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Proxie, I've had that happen (sleep cycles aside). I would say that you wouldn't be able to fly or otherwise control a dream within a dream. But you know you are dreaming, although it is about the wrong dream.

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posted November 07, 2002 12:29 PM         

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There is good research showing that sleep cycles have little or no effect on HAVING a dream, but do seem to effect the QUALITY of them. But then there are exceptions to this also.

Raj, very interesting. This effect is known to occur in out-of-body experiences, but I do not think I have heard that in dreams.

I have practiced Randall's suggestion as well, with good results. After taking flight, the next step for me is to dissolve the dream illusion, and set a course to a time or place I want to visit. This requires a great deal of "lucidity."

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posted November 07, 2002 04:29 PM         

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In the past, I had had no education regarding lucid dreaming, yet experienced it on several occasions. I WAS able to project myself to those certain places. It was a very interesting experience to say the least.

There were times like what you speak of Proxieme that I've drifted off for what seemed like between two to five minutes and found myself exploring an entirely different dimension.
I was taken someplace, but not intentional on my part, as in projection, but it would always result in being someplace where I would have knowledge of a particular thing.
For instance, once I floated into this state and heard an actual conversation being spoken between my best friend at the time and her long lost friend from school. Consciously, I knew they were going to meet up sometime that day, but it was strange that I picked up their actual conversation verbatim. When I mentioned this to her later that night by repeating what I heard, she freaked out, even though she herself is spiritual.
I've had stranger's appear to me also with messages for me or for other people I knew. One lady showed up who was quite serious. Very stern expression on her face and said only ONE word to me while looking me directly into my eyes.
It was a foreign word I knew nothing of. My best friend and I tried to figure out what language it was, and came to the conclusion that it was Russian. It puzzled me, because I didn't know what the word meant.
The next day, it dawned on me that a lady I worked closely with who was a nonbeliever of anything outside of religion, was Russian. I told her that I had an unusual experience and told her what it entailed. I asked her to interpret the word for me so that I would know what the lady was trying to tell me. I told her to brace herself just in case, and told her that whatever it means, to stay calm. We worked among other's in a large facility at the time.
When I repeated the word, her eyes got very big, HUGE in fact. She could hardly contain herself, for this word wasn't intended for me, but solely for HER. It turned out that the word was NOT an actual word, but the last name of the lady who appeared to me. She was basically stating her OWN name to me. This lady turned out to be one of her dear and oldest friends who she said she'd thought about through the years, yet never took the time out to see in visitation. She said the last she'd heard, was that this lady, (who I described to a T) was doing quite well financially, but no one had heard from her recently. I urged her to get in touch with her, that there was a REASON she came to me. I thought the lady was perhaps ill or had passed. I quit the job shortly thereafter, so I never knew what the outcome was, but was forever grateful for my position as being used as a catalyst for such a nonbeliever and to show her the dynamics and mysteries this life of ours holds.

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posted November 08, 2002 05:25 PM         

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VenusWP, wow!

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posted November 08, 2002 05:33 PM         

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VWP and Randall

Double WOW! I have few dreams but when I do they are lucid (i.e. I know I am dreaming and can control my reaction). However, I have only had 2 flying dreams ever. Once was a bit like The Snowman where I flew to my childhood home and saw all the familiar landscape and even looked in the window of the flat where I used to live and saw the guy who lived there watering his plants. The other one was a flying dream to an acquaintance who was ill. I rang him the next day and he had been taken to hospital and was stunned when I told him what was the matter with him and how I knew.

I will try to fly next time I dream and let you know how I get on. Somehow I always feel trapped in my dreams as if there is more out there but I can't quite reach it. Perhaps now I will.

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posted November 08, 2002 06:28 PM         

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Ra,

There are MANY more experiences that I've had which would take forever to get through. For a time, I thought I was going nuts!
I would actually see people in my house and hear conversations of other's as well without previous thought or attempt. It would just come at any given time. It was intense.
On one occasion, I was in my bathroom getting ready to go out, and when I opened the door, a tall man with a yellowish striped shirt walked pass the door looking straight ahead as if he belonged in my house. He was only about two feet away from me. As I opened the door and saw this, I shut it quickly cause I was spooked, then prayed to God to take this gift away from me because I couldn't handle it. I was squatting on the bathroom floor nearly having a heart attack from the strong palpitations I was experiencing. I was afraid to open the door, but finally did and ran out of the house to my appointment. I was overwhelmed. Everyday was a new and different experience.
I would just like to point out that I am a very healthy individual. No mental issues or drug problems even medically prescribed.
I also use to smell scents as well, such as a man's cologne or a woman's perfume out of the blue. A couple of times, this happened with me in the shower. I kept looking around, yet nothing was there. I lived alone and didn't have these scents as perfumes.
Shortly thereafter, I went to a group meeting where they had a psychic reader.
He picked me out from the crowd and told me some things that definitely held true for me, but I was stunned when he said, "Hey, what's with you and the shower? Seems like a bunch of you are having a good time!"
I was so embarrassed because everyone was turning to look at me and were giggling and yelling YEAH! I thought people were thinking that this was an ACTUAL true occurrence, and not a spirit-based one and that I was involved in some kind of orgy or something.
My face turned red.

Yep, many stories of experiences... Ah, the memories!

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posted November 09, 2002 05:47 AM         

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i think that most people are spooked by their 'gifts' which are really theirs by birthright but seem so unnatural because of societal mores, environmental conditioning, the collective unconscious, not to mention their own personal unconscious and past life experiences that in some way or another, may be described as scarring.

when one has an 'unusual' experience, the first reaction is disbelief. and then the experience is repeated. and repeated...and repeated. but unless one learns to live with it, there is always the jarring feeling or fright.

we all wear masks. in many of my dreams, people would be unmasked. their secrets and inner yearnings would be known.

in one dream of someone i liked very much, a teenage girl clung to his legs, crying, asking for attention, as he and i were preparing to go out. she was supposedly his daughter. it baffled me extremely when i woke up because i knew his child to be a son. a few days later, he told me he had a daughter who didn't live with him.

i didn't like this 'gift' for a time because i didn't have the detachment that is so required for it. and it can be hurtful.

it is never easy unless one is mature enough on ALL levels of one's being to handle it. but maturity can only grow out of pain.

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posted November 09, 2002 09:30 AM         

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Oh that "mask" comment hit home! I wear a mask all the time (use humour as a defence, always the joker) but by myself I feel and know so much that I can't possibly explain. I am two different people. The feelings I have run deep and I don't tell people for fear of being thought odd or mad. The older I get the more intuitive I seem to get. Sometimes it seems a cross to bear but I should look on it as a gift and use it wisely.

All my life I have attracted the hurt and the vulnerable and I don't know why. I can walk into a room of 30 people and instinctively know the one person who is suffering - and somehow they know that I know. Yet I hide all this and play the clown. Very confusing, isn't it?!!

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posted November 09, 2002 08:40 PM         

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Taj,

I BELIEVE what I see, hear and feel. It just was so powerful and all that it would literally shock my current state of relaxation. Had I had time to PREPARE for it, my feelings would have been much more welcoming and less intense.
Today, I am much more relaxed with it. I now tell them HOW to show up, so that I may process the effects more securely without fear. It works!
As far as masks are concerned, I am ME, totally and completely UN-masked.
I have never wanted nothing less than TRUTH. I never pretend or wear rose colored glasses. I deal with Truth and Truth only. It's really a shame, as most people hide from their truth by wearing a mask. It's been very difficult in my personal life, because I am considered RARE. Real and Too Intense for a lot of people, even though my physical stance is more laid back. I am Real and my Passions are Genuine. People are afraid of that. Hmmm... makes you wonder WHY.

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posted November 09, 2002 09:06 PM         

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Diddle,

You have insecure feelings. Plain and simple.
You find these people deliberately because you know that with their own troubles, they won't judge you. Your insecurities can be worked out with a qualified Therapist.
Take off your mask darling and let the world SEE you! You have been limiting yourself.
By doing that, your only cheating yourself of true and meaningful relationships.
Do you not think you are worthy enough just BECAUSE?
Come on Diddle, dare to BE the REAL you! The REAL you is very Special.
Allow other's to experience your goodness and your special uniqueness. Besides, when you do this, it forces other's out who will deceive you. The UN-masked will seek you out and life will be experienced in an entirely different light. Trust Me!

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