posted November 24, 2002 09:04 PM         

Hi, I'm May i posted a small intro in the other forum but after talking with amber about this i decided to post this dream. Perhaps someone can tell me a bit, maybe make it make some sense?
As a bit of background, I dont usually have voilent dreams. I have dreams of being chased or hunted fairly regularly but that is generally caused by stress. I'm also an active dreamer and while i dont remember all my dreams its rare that a dream will stick with me as long as this one has. Its been a three days and I can still feel it as clear as I did the night i had it. My birth name for clarification is Jessica however I dont really go by that name anymore, another thing that caught me off guard with this dream. The john in the dream is a musican. But i dont generally dream of him, i've never met him and certainly never had any thought like this of him before. So ummm... with that heres the dream...

basically it started like I was watching a movie.. and John was having an affair, oddly with a man I work with.. and I turned to someone sitting next to me and said eww why is he sleeping with him.. he could have anyone.

In the next moemnt we saw John and his together and him playing nice nice and her brushing him off. Apparently it made him really angry and he snapped, leaving his house and going to his lovers where he killed the man with a knife. The police show up at Johns house and ask to search it, his wife allows them but doesn’t tell them where the knife is that she knows john hid and used to kill the man. The police go away and she sad.

That’s where I enter.. as her friend (now this was all still movie like) and I'm me, May. I have this gift of sight and I’m trying to convince her she should leave. This ticked john off but since she wont leave he doesn’t really care about me. Its not until the person I had turned to in the movie theater appears and tells John that he will tell his wife that John was having an affair with a man and that he knows that John did really murder the guy that John goes ballistic again and kills the man (he strangled him from behind).

At that point its no longer a movie.. and john is now hiding in the woods behind the house. His wife knows that he killed her friend and is furious. She decided she is leaving and takes their children away and hides them before she and I and two officers return to the house to get her things. I try to tell her that she shouldn't go in the house. That he will see her and that he will kill her. But the police tell us that he’s not in the area and its ok to go in. So we enter through the garage and she heads back to the bedroom while I stand in the dinning room next to the garage door. There is a huge plate glass window and its dusk/twilight. I know he is out there watching us. And I’m trying to get us all out. but no one wants to listen. Then there is a breeze to my right and the curtain moves.. (btw even now I can clearly see all this in my mind)... and I know that John is in the house. I scream that we have to leave and leave now! So everyone runs for the garage and I know that john is only steps from me even though I can't see him. And that he’s mad at me. he blames me.

As we run out the door .. there is a cat and she wants to come with us but I wont let her. I just manage to close the door and keep her in so that she will be safe when another police officer comes out the door and she runs out. We all run through the garage toward the street and a waiting car. Suddenly the cat stops in my path and the grass is real tall around her and starts talking to me. she pleads for me that her babies are cold and then nudges them towards me. I take them up and they are cold but I know that if I can warm them with my hands they will be ok. and so I pick them up and we all jump in the car I’m cradling the kittens in my hands agasint my chest. I turn and ask why we aren't moving and see that the officer behind the wheel is dead. john shot him so we all hop out and start running down the street and as we pass the neighbors we can tell that john has killed each of them.. and its a bit too horrific to describe them so I’ll just say he killed them... as we round a bend the darkness is growing and a cold rain is starting to fall. I know with out a doubt that john is in one of the trees ahead of us with a gun and that he is going to shoot us. At that moment this really eerie music starts and a woman is signing softly... thankfully I can’t remember what she was saying now but even after I woke I could hear it and it made me want to cry.

We all dive for cover in a ditch, John starts screaming from the dark trees. I'm going to kill you.. You, that right JESSICA, you ! I'm going to kill you.. I'm going to kill you.. and he keeps saying that over and over and laughing. I turn my head and the wife and suddenly children are jumping into a sewer hole and I know they are safe but the only cover for me is a small tree so I dive on the ground behind it still holding the kittens and I know he has his site trained on me. I see the first dead man come dancing down the street toward me and he tells me that I'm going to die too but the family is ok. At that moment John screams once more I'm going to kill you Jessica and its really close. I hear a pop and can feel something jolt through me from my head to my toes and I thought the kittens are going to get cold.. then that I had to open my eyes.. that’s when I woke up.

The dream still bothers me ... and at moments i can feel it sorta creep up behind me. It leaves me wanting to ask if I'm insane..

posted November 25, 2002 01:02 PM         

I have read over this dream several times, and I will try to give you some thoughts as soon as I can. Perhaps tomorrow.

Walk in Peace

posted November 26, 2002 01:18 PM         

Seeing this dream at first as a movie can indicate a situation that you understand, that you are aware of, probably of the past.

I see John as symbolizing harmony/balance (musician) as pertains to either a man in your life, or a masculine aspect of self. It seems that a disruption in the balance/harmony of this man or aspect of self occurs - and you ask why.

If John represents another person, then perhaps this person became unbalanced due to some problem in the relationship (a past relationship of yours). Have you "brushed someone off?"

If John represents an aspect of self (which I find more likely) then it appears that something about your feminine side upset or threw out of balance your masculine side. Has there been some situation in which you have "brushed aside" your assertiveness or rational thinking in acquiesence to a more non-confrontational, receptive, or creative impulse - perhaps against your true feelings?

When you enter the "scene", I think this is representative of your higher self (gift of sight) - which would make both John and his wife aspects of your "conscious" self. The person from the theater then could represent that masculine aspect of self which you have pushed into your unconscious, and who re-asserts "himself" in this dream situation, again being "killed" or forced back into your unconscious self.

Before I go any farther, and to save some speculation and therefore typing time, does any of this make sense thus far? Do you think John could represent a disharmonious and suppressed aspect of self? Or do you think he could represent a person, as I mentioned? Or neither?

posted November 27, 2002 01:34 AM         

It could be a bit of both apsects, I do have a bit of thought that it could have been someone from my past. But that seems to neat of an answer if that makes sense. After reading this a couple times I would think that you are on to something with a suppressed aspect of myself. I'm very intrigued by this thought. Its not something I've thought about before really.

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If John represents an aspect of self (which I find more likely) then it appears that something about your feminine side upset or threw out of balance your masculine side. Has there been some situation in which you have "brushed aside" your assertiveness or rational thinking in acquiesence to a more non-confrontational, receptive, or creative impulse - perhaps against your true feelings?

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Yeah I do this.. I do it a lot. *sigh* Though I can't think of a recent event right now that would have brought this up. hmmm...

This is really interesting right now. I'm looking foward to whatelse you are thinking.

posted November 27, 2002 05:14 PM         

Glad to have your interest!

posted November 29, 2002 12:58 PM         

Looking at this dream from the perspective of a suppressed aspect of self, the symbology contained within the rest of it is very repetitive.

Your suppressed, unbalanced, masculine aspect - John - is now always seen steeped in symbols relating to the unconscious: woods, behind house, watching but unseen, behind you, in trees, in dark.

Constantly there is the threat of death to his wife/you - this aspect is upset! You say, "he's mad at me. He blames me." And this is truth. You blame yourself, for who else is there to blame?

This dream seems to indicate a breaking point, a turning point, a point at which this suppressed aspect is saying "no more!, recognize me!" The huge plate gleass window suggests your growing awareness of the emotional conflict arising from this suppression, and the dusk/twilight is a symbol here used to foretell the nearing of this unconscious material to awareness, the coming-to-an-end of the suppression, the death of it.

Then we have the cat - a feminine symbol - and its kittens. The symbology surrounding this cat is very telling and fits in well. She symbolizes the basic/instinctual feminine aspect of self (especially because she speaks) which is being overcome by emotional energies that are not being tended to (long grass) - most likely because of this suppression of the masculine forces. So, you see, the dis-harmony of the masculine is affecting the feminine.

You must listen to an animal when it speaks, as this is a direct communication from Self.

She wants you to nurture and tend to your feminine aspects which have been neglected (cold) and thus undeveloped (kittens). The only way to do this is to end (kill) your past patterns (Jessica) of negative femininity which continuously hunt/haunt/chase you in your dreams. You must activate your masculine forces - like assertiveness - or else "John" will continue to stalk you in one or another form until your feminine side is just as out-of-balance as the masculine.

Perhaps this dream foretells the end of the past patterns (John shot you) and the beginning of a new awareness (have to open eyes). It also contains a warning that if "John" is not dealt with, the new forces that are beginning to manifest within the unconscious (kittens), that need nurturing, will not develop.

You are not insane, although you may feel that way sometimes!

posted November 29, 2002 04:08 PM         

On the creative side, this one is still gnawing at the back of my mind. I am a writer and a great deal of what I write comes from my dreams. To me both sides are linked though I'll honestly never ask for an interpretation of something I'm working on story wise LOL it would spoil it I know There is more I want to say but darn it if I haven't run out of time. So I"ll come back to this part.

Thank you soo much for this!! Its given me a good bit to think on

posted November 29, 2002 05:32 PM         

I think I will have a couple of questions for you, to gain some clarity in the interpretation for me. Seems I have some things backwards. The masculine has been consciously dominant? hmmm

posted November 30, 2002 02:00 AM           

don't forget to IM me tomorrow, woman!!!

ps.. Ra.. she was SO excited about your interpretation today when she read it...

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we'll be together till the end of time and when you smile, red rose, it's just like blue sunshine...
oh, we're ascending and we'll never die cause when we kiss, red rose, we're changing 6 to 9 ...it's revolution time when 6 turns into 9

posted December 01, 2002 02:17 AM         

May, I would love to read some of your dream inspired writings.

Walk in Peace

posted December 01, 2002 11:30 PM         

I probalby spend entirely too much time lost in my own little world so I have a number of unfinished stories LOL... speaking of which one of them is calling now maybe I'll give it a whirl.

Thank you again though Ra the interps were amazing and rather thought provoking for me

posted December 08, 2002 07:23 PM         

And I forgot to thank you for sharing your dream. Thank you!

posted December 18, 2002 01:55 PM         

I received your e-mail, but I cannot use mine to respond. I LOVED it!!! Thank you so much for sharing that with me.

That must have been a very peculiar dream! What did you make of it?

posted December 18, 2002 01:56 PM         

I received your e-mail, but I cannot use mine to respond. I LOVED it!!! Thank you so much for sharing that with me.

That must have been a very peculiar dream! What did you make of it (besides a story )?