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posted January 28, 2003 01:37 PM         

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I watched "The end of the affair" again yesterday, and I've read the book a couple of times, as well. I wondered if anyone of you have seen the film/read the book, and what you think of Sarah's dream when she's finally with Maurice: She dreams that they have a child and that there is a flood, that the sea rises and get into their room.
I read about Greene that he was a keen dreamer, and that he often would dream the dreams of the characters of his books.

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posted January 29, 2003 10:50 AM         

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Is Graham Greene the author of the Green mile?

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posted January 29, 2003 12:12 PM         

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I don't think so. At least it wasn't mentioned in the short biography. Why?

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posted January 29, 2003 12:52 PM         

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Oh I was just wondering really, I have seen the film, 'the Green Mile' and I know the author Graham Greene but I can't relate his books for some reason.

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posted January 29, 2003 02:14 PM         

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The most famous is "The third man", which was also made a film. And "Our man in Havana".
Anyway, I think The End of The Affair appeals a lot to me because it's about this couple who don't really believe in God or miracles or anything, but then he's killed by a bomb and she prays to the God that she's never believed in for a miracle - which happens. And that makes her start believing, of course.

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posted January 29, 2003 02:22 PM         

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Was the third man a film?
Why does that appeal to you so much though?

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posted January 29, 2003 02:53 PM         

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I guess I identify with the characters. (Greene himself converted to catholism as a grown up). I grew up with an atheist mother who doesn't believe in anything she can't see, as well in an enviroment of non-believers, who would rationalize everything. Actually, religion and belief was almost husj-husj - not to be talked about. Maurice in the Greene book says: "Miracles, but we don't believe in them, do we!" Like with Sarah in the book, something in my life happened that led me on to a spiritual exploration and to a belief in God.

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posted January 29, 2003 03:28 PM         

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Ok so this is another pattern for you to break are u a virgo?
You still need the factual, to be critical, to doubt certain things before you can classs it as truth, don't let that go either.
The book holds alot of significance for you because you if you can believe in this book you can begin to believe in more.... Sorry I'm a bit of a preacher woman...
I wonder what Graham Greene's chart is like

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posted January 29, 2003 08:33 PM         

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I have seen the film The End of The Affair, long time ago. I don't remember all the details, but to answer your question about the dream; having a baby together is having a future together, having a fruitful relationship that takes on a life of its own -or has a future, in other words. The flood rising into their room is a sign of how big & strong their love is, but also a sign of danger. Water is so soft and life-giving, but it can also be a overpowering and life-threatening if not respected. Just like love. If she had not used her love to pray for a miracle, which happened, her lover might have died and she might have died of sorrow later on.

Quinnie, you have some interesting observations of WHY Stella is digging into this.

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posted January 30, 2003 01:02 AM         

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Thanks Quinnie, Evergreen. Of course I'm a virgo, I believe that shines through...I have lots of earth in my chart and I believe I'm quite grounded in a way...I was laughing when I read about retro Jupiter in an astrology thread - it said that your spiritual and religious believes are very different from your family...I am curious to find out what and how other people break away from the believes they were raised with and find their own path..Like Greene. Also another favourite writer, Sigrid Undset, she was born a few years before Greene and like him, became a catholic. It seems to me that at that time, 30s, catholism was the way to go if you were attracted anything "spiritual" and mysterious...I feel protestantism is very factual and spiritually restricted.
Evergreen, if you remember, she was sick and dying, so that really fits with the flood. I don't know Greene's chart, but he was born October 2, 1904, in England. I think I have to get a biograhy about him. I know he went to theraphy as a child, and he says that's how he became so interested in dreams.

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posted January 30, 2003 04:40 AM         

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I do understand that people are seeking to religions; we are all spiritual beings seeking answers and purpose to this miracle called life. Most people fold their hands, cross their heart and pray when they get scared enough and are in need of something greater than themselves, even if they deny deities when they are capable of handling their lives perfectly well thankyouverymuch, and normally have an answer to everything.

There are great ideas in all religions. I admire people who can submit themselves completely to an ideology and just accept to just believe the answers to any question according to that specific religion. I'm not there yet. Maybe never will be.

Just curious; if catholism was the religion of the 30's, what do you consider "in" now?
this is totally on the side of the dream-theme, I know, but...

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posted January 30, 2003 07:52 AM         

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Em maybe the religion now is the new age movement and the final dissolution of religion because we're ending the Pisces age of Illusion ( religion?) and going into Age of Aquarius water bearer (truth)

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posted January 30, 2003 11:58 AM         

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I also believe "new age" is the "religion" of today.
I actually think it is good to question different aspects of different religions, I think it's scary when people don't think for themselves. But I also admire people who just accept the rules or laws even if they don't fit to their life situation and don't twist and bend them like it suits them.
Evergreen, Quinne, I want to ask you something: How come you are here? How come you're searching spiritually? Did anything special happen?
I'll answer that question for myself: I've always, since my early teens, been open for new age stuff, especially astrology. I've been working on dreams as a tool for personal growth for at least ten years. But the big change happened some years ago, when many people around me died in a very short time, and things I found strange, at that time, that is, occured.

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posted January 30, 2003 12:46 PM         

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Evergreen, har du det laene naa?!!

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posted January 30, 2003 01:12 PM         

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I think I have always been searching for spirituality....
I can't say what it is that made me want to know, it's more of a feeling.
I think I was greatly inspired by the Catholic Church. I was Catholic in my childhood but felt alot of anger towards things that were happening both personally and with others and globally too that just could not be explained by the Church.
If you have ever been to midnight mass and listened to the choirs at Christmas or any choirs I think you will agree with me when I say that those kind of experiences are uplifting and open you up to something more...
But the frustrations that people had about the abuse within the church and how out of touch they were with the public lead to me wanting to know answers to the questions that were in my mind. So I think religion lead me to spirituality

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posted January 30, 2003 01:59 PM         

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Like a lot of people coming from northern Europe's protstantism I was rather struck by the openess and presence of religion in Greece (and I believe it's very much the same in Italy, Spain and Portugal, too). The churches here are always open, and people express openly that they believe in God. The priests are visible and you can always pop over and ask them a question. They come and bless your house or new business if you ask them to. But then of course you meet the intolerance and misuse of power...and understand that a lot of people within the church hasn't understood a s***.
Evergreen: drit og dra!
Quinnie, what I said to Evergreen is Norwegian and would come out ***** in English. I'm really ***** with her right now.

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posted January 30, 2003 07:44 PM         

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Stella polaris how many languages do u know?!!

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posted January 31, 2003 01:14 AM         

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My mothertongue is Norwegian, and then I know English, French and Greek.

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posted January 31, 2003 08:53 AM         

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Insightful discussion!!

Stephen King wrote "the Green Mile"

TGIF juniperb

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posted January 31, 2003 10:37 AM         

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Oh Stephen King! Ah thanks Juniper.

Stella Polaris are u fluent in all of them?
In one of your posts you wrote that it took 3 months to learn French... Thats pretty quick!
Maybe you did live in France in your previous past.

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These are my fluent languages..though I'd need a few drinks to speak French fluent now, because I never get a chance to practice. I also believe I knew French in my last life, and that might be the reason I learned it so easily. I had this Norwegian friend in Paris who never managed to learn the language, like me, she came to Greece afterwards and, unlike me, she learned Greek real quick and easy - maybe it was more familiar to me than to her. I have this wish to learn ancient Greek, as I believe that will open a few doors to my past.
I had a dream about Jaqueline, whom I believe I might have known in my last life, and then this word "une toilette", which means a dressing table, came up...I didn't even know I knew the word, I had to look it up in the morning. OK, I might have read it in a magazine and totally forgotten, and I might connect French with Jaqueline because she has a French name...But, like I told you in another post, I think I had a connection with France, especially Paris. I start trusting my instincts about these feelings now...
Bizemont writes in her book Astrologie Karmic about her son, who as a small child spoke a strange language. It was not the babling of a baby, it was a proper language. Later she found out it was Muvian, the language spoken in Mu (Lemuria).

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posted January 31, 2003 04:02 PM         

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Stella, I'm sorry if you're **** at me, it did not occur to me you would be upset since it was your suggestion I signed up here?? I will e-mail you for more privacy...

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