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WakeUpMaggie
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posted March 31, 2003 08:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WakeUpMaggie     Edit/Delete Message
I had this dream the other night...I would be interested in learning what some of you think about it. Note that I wrote it upon awakening, so it is written as a stream of consciousness...so the grammar and punctuation are a bit off (sorry!):

I was at work, but it was set up like a classroom, the old fashioned kind with rows upon rows of desks with holes in the front for books. I was talking to some guy Steven, who looked very sleazy, dressed all in black with a squinty smile. He needed to borrow one of my dolls, the black haired one with the violet eyes. I said, okay, as long as I get it back because I need it for an assignment I am doing this weekend (I’m a writer/teacher). So then a few days (hours?) later I go back to Steve and ask for the doll and he gives me this weird look like Hmmm,. what doll? and I said I told him to give it back and then he tells me that he needed to ship it overseas to some client, etc. And I am furious and I yell at him, I tell him Hey, I told you, that you could only use that doll if you gave it back. Now I am in trouble because I need it. He seemed (?) confused and searched his files and found the air slip/receipt that proves the doll was shipped overseas. Not sure which country but the doll was definitely gone. So then I try to reconstruct the doll in my mind’s eye, maybe I can still do the assignment. She looks the same as I remember, wearing the same light blue jumper, only one side of her hairline appears to be shaved. She is missing hair on one side of her head and on that same side there is a dark red bar across her cheek, sort of in the same place blush would be. The mark is on her left and my right side. Then all of a sudden I am with my Kindergarten class. We’re on a class trip (someplace outside) and one of my favorite students, Emily, shows me a pencil that is decorated, or made to look like, black lace. Then I am in my parents’s house. Only it is empty. Somebody is throwing a party in the backyard. I am walking to my parents house from the train station about a mile and a half from the house, it is all uphill, more uphill than usual, I can hardly make the hills. They seem to get steeper as I walk. When I get to the house, it is empty and windy. All the doors and closet doors are open. There are still clothes in some of the closets. I remember seeing a white skirt with red flowers in my old bedroom closet, blowing in the wind. There is a party in the backyard but the guests are not supposed to roam the house. I find two young girls of about four or five in my parent’s room, in their closet, and I tell them to get out, and not to touch or take anything. When I ask them if they took anything from the room, they nod yes, and one of them hands me a handful of white tissues.

(What a doozy, huh?).

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WychOfAvalon
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posted April 03, 2003 01:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for WychOfAvalon     Edit/Delete Message
wow! This one is just all OVER the place!! There's a ton going on!

Okay let me look at this tomorrow when I'm a bit more awake. I've had a busy day and I'm sooo pooped!

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I like to watch you in your sleep ..I’d give a million if I knew your name ..And all I need is to be with you ..In a state of dreams ..That’s where I wanted to be ..With you in a state of dreams

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stella polaris
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posted April 03, 2003 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stella polaris     Edit/Delete Message
I was thinking about this while I was gardening...I can only say like WOA, here's ton going on! Probably this is a dream about your childhood or related to childhood experiences - both symbolized by the doll and the girls in the closest. A doll is a dead thing, and might represent a side of yourself that is dead or gone (shipped overseas). Do you know why the hair was shaved off? That might tell you something more about what the doll represent. Anyway, the doll is something we play with in the childhood, and bringing it out in a dream now might represent something from your childhood that has now become important to you. This is further stressed by the two girls coming out of the closet of your childhood home. The white tissues - are they used to wipe tears?
I could say a few more things, but I'll give WOA a chance here and then I might get back to you!

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Ra
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posted April 03, 2003 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message
Ditto!

I think Stella hit on some good points.

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WakeUpMaggie
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posted April 04, 2003 12:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for WakeUpMaggie     Edit/Delete Message
Well, there's a LOT going on in my life right now--both personally and professionally--so I guess this dream is reinforcing that fact. I also have a lot of unresolved issues from my childhood...it's kind of complicated. I'm not really sure what went on for most of it.

As for why the doll's hair was shaved, Stella, I haven't a clue! The doll just appeared that way to me suddenly. I got the feeling that the red mark on the cheek was blood, but I'm not 100% sure. Either way, I look forward to hearing more of your thoughts and those of WOA.

Thanks!!!!

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Ra
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posted April 04, 2003 01:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message
I have only begun to pick this dream apart, but there is much that does indeed have to do with your childhood. In fact, this is what I believe the dream to be, a symbolic attempt by your subconscious to bring some of this to the surface ... eventually.

There is something dark there, something veiled ... lonliness and hurt. Your childhood was just as empty as your parent's house, at least emotionally.

And there is much said in the name STEVEN. Do you know this person? Or is this the dream name of this individual? I think he represents an energy that affected you in your younger years, now part of your unconscious (wearing black).

There are telling words within this name that fit in with the rest of the symbology that I am seeing in this dream.

STEVEN

EVENTS, perhaps near TEN or SEVEN, affecting your TEENS? EVENTS from the NEST (childhood)? SEE these EVENTS? VENT so you can become EVEN? EVENTS SENT, SEE EVEN.

See what I mean?

As soon as I get a chance, I will detail more of the symbology as I see it. There could be some very personal information involved here, so if you like, I will be rather general in my thoughts. If these generalities strike a chord with you, you can ask me to continue here, or you can e-mail me. Hopefully, I will be completely wrong and we will not need to dig any futher!

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WakeUpMaggie
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posted April 04, 2003 04:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WakeUpMaggie     Edit/Delete Message
Ra,

Thanks for your message. Yes, I think there is something in my childhood, but I'm not sure what...I have a very poor memory when it comes to my younger years; I'm not able to remember anything before the age of 12 or 13.

STEVEN could very well mean the events you mention...as for it being a person, I only have one cousin and one ex by that name, neither of which are very significant in my life. So it's probably events...and seven or ten sounds about right.

I know what you mean about it being personal; I'd be happy to email you personally but I don't know your email address.

Thanks for your insights...there's definitely a lot more here than meets the eye. It's weird, but I got home from work about an hour ago and read your message. Then I took a nap to rest before my second job tonight and I had another dream...almost like the one I posted on the "creepy" thread...but I stopped it because I didn't want to have a nightmare before work. I was hearing a lot of voices but I couldn't make them out (that always happens when I'm trying to stop the dream!). Anyway, this particular dream was accompanied by another image...it was a figure dangling over a big book (almost Bible-like), something like an Oscar (the award), dangling over the book like a pendulum...only it was the figure of a woman not a man. And it was hanging upside down. Weird!

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Ra
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posted April 04, 2003 06:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message
Interesting ...

My e-mail is ra@linda-goodman.com, there is a link at the top of this forum - "moderated by Ra".

The figure is a projection of self. The big book is knowledge/information. This image describes an aspect of you, that part which feels upside-down or "dangling"/incomplete because of the knowledge/information that you lack which is contained in this "book", your past.

It seems that your sub/unconscious is tempting you with bits of veiled information about your younger years.

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stella polaris
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posted April 05, 2003 06:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stella polaris     Edit/Delete Message
First, the classroom setting: Your dream is going to teach you a lesson. The old-fashion desks indicates that it has something to do with the past, probably your childhood. As for Steven see Ra's name suggestions. Another one that popped to my mind is S-TWIN. He might symbolize your male, active, charge-taking side who has shipped your doll overseas. But though out of sight, it's not out of mind. In addition to what I wrote above, the doll might be a symbol of you as a child. I get a bad feeling when you say that you can't remember anything from your childhood, I really believe this dream is about things that you've locked out (or rather locked in the closet) and that you now have to deal with - "need for your assignment" - your life journey. Hair can be a sign of femininity, so maybe part of you as a little girl was deprived of her feminine side? This doll also makes me think of Indians (native Americans), some who scalped their enemies..it's about wounds, being hurt...The pale blue jumper=dreams? A jumper or sweater covers our heart, maybe a child that had dreams that was hurt? In your dream you try to remember what the doll looked like so that you can do your assignment..I believe it's a message that you have to remember and deal with some things from your childhood to move on in life.
EMILY could be I-AM-YOU. Kindergarten is again a reference to your childhood. When a writer receives a pen it's a (can't find the word in English!!) a sign that she should write, or what? The pen is covered with black lace - is this about mourning, sadness?
You've arrived at the train station, a train trip is a slow and steady journey, on the track, towards the goal. But getting to your childhood home is still an uphill struggle. The house is empty execept for the clothes. Clothes are used for covering up...
Guests are supposed to party and not roam the house, this might indicate that this subject (childhood, childhood home) is not to be touched. The girls in the closet - things from your childhood hidden in the closet. The white tissues might indicate that the thing you've taken with you from your childhood home is the white tissue to wipe tears (and hide crying or sorrow).
Ra can probably give more inputs. Hope this makes sense!


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WakeUpMaggie
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posted April 05, 2003 09:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for WakeUpMaggie     Edit/Delete Message
Stella,

Wow, a lot of what you are saying is making sense...it's also starting to sound a lot like my therapist! I do have trouble with my past, I did have some things happen but I'm not sure what they are exactly or if they are related to what's going on with me now. Without getting into detail, a lot of what you have suggested rings true for me. Especially the references to the doll, and the scalping (I thought of that myself; she did look scalped). But what do you mean about being deprived of my feminine side? Not sure about that.

I have never had a dream interpreted, but everything you and Ra are saying makes so much sense, even the train reference, the uphill climb, etc. And the house, and the clothes, and the closet. BTW, do you think that the two girls in the closet signify anything, e.g. the number two? Or the age of the girls (4 or 5)?

I just re-read my original post about the dream and got a creepy feeling...after hearing what you and Ra have had to say, it's starting to seem really different to me now. It's amazing how everyday images, when put in certain combinations, can have such different meanings. I think I will pay a lot more attention to my dreams from now on...

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Ra
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posted April 09, 2003 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message
Maggie, I received your e-mail and as soon as I can get to my mother's computer, I will respond to you! My computer is virus infected and I do not want to send it to you.

Thank you for your trust.

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Ra
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posted April 10, 2003 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message
Stella, that was a great interpretation!

My thoughts mirror Stella's to a great degree, so much so that it would be redundant to post them. But perhaps it would help to hear the same message from more than one source - so here it goes ...

There is an unconscious energy/experience (Steven in black) of a rather dark or negative nature which originated in your childhood (doll/old fashioned school) upon which your subconscious is working (work) so that there may be an ending to some cycle resulting from the experience (weekend=end of cycle) which will aid in your growth (school).

The doll is a projection of self - this part of you is "missing" and disfigured. You have reached a point in your life where this missing part needs to be found/understood so that you may continue in your growth (complete assignment).

It is the feminine side of self which has been disfigured/scarred (left) in some childhood event (doll). The projection of the unconscious energies (hair) that involve this past situation have been "cut off" (shaved) or blocked, so you must use your intuition (light blue) coupled with your imagination (mind's eye) to connect with that unconscious/dark/veiled information (black lace pencil) which is emanating from your child self (Emily), awaiting conscious realization (outside).

The last scene reiterates the same theme, but I have run out of time so I will post my remaining thoughts tomorrow!

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Ra
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posted April 11, 2003 09:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message
The last scene -

As your mind approaches the source of this energy/material from your past (parent's house) the task grows increasingly difficult and resistant (difficulty up hill). At the source there are repressed emotions and emotional unfulfillment (empty house), but there is the beginning of awareness (open doors and closets), change (wind), and signs of balance in the making (two girls/red and white skirt - red=masculine white=feminine). Those aspects of self which are hidden in the past are being opened up to you (clothes in open closets).

However difficult it may be to face this past, I feel that your childhood, and whatever happened in it, represents the completion of some karmic cycle/lesson, a cause for celebration (party) on the soul level, and a secret kept, so far, in your unconsciousness (backyard). But elements of this secret are beginning to sneak into your life, your awareness (two girls in the house) - they are beginning to come out of the closet.

These two young girls seem to carry a many-layered symbology. As mentioned before, they can symbolize balance as well as awareness of this past, but they can also symbolize the separation, the division that occured within self at their apparent age of four or five. They also symbolize unconscious to conscious movement of energy/material. Their most positive expression is one of healing and balance, the unification of yourself as you become aware of (white) and cleanse yourself of (tissues) the emotional forces that have been hiding within for so long.

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taj
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posted April 12, 2003 06:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for taj     Edit/Delete Message
"...Their most positive expression is one of healing and balance, the unification of yourself as you become aware of (white) and cleanse yourself of (tissues) the emotional forces that have been hiding within for so long."

yep, wakeupmaggie, i got a distinctively positive feeling from the last part of your dream.

you told the two girls to get out (the idea of embracing openness)yet not to touch or take anything (hesitation (a blockage?) about the idea of laying oneself open) but the two girls DID take something (the unconscious saying it's really time the issue is out in the open) and so hand you some white tissues.

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WakeUpMaggie
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posted April 13, 2003 11:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for WakeUpMaggie     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Ra and taj for your comments...I really appreciate you taking the time to write. I guess the hardest part still is just not remembering anything. I'm not quite sure what to do.

I think that the "incident" or "incidents" represented in the dream, while not remembered, continue to affect my everyday life, namely in relationships. I seem to keep making the same mistakes in men...

Do you think there's anything I can do to prompt my brain to remember these missing childhood memories? Would either of you recommend regression therapy or hypnosis?

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stella polaris
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posted April 13, 2003 12:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stella polaris     Edit/Delete Message
Hi again Maggie, like your dream said: It's a uphill walk towards your childhood memories..But you're on your way. I believe you can get there through your dreams. Do you remember other dreams that could have to do with this? If you start paying attention to your dreams you'll also start remembering more and more off them, and probably they'll bring childhood memories to surface.

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Ra
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posted April 13, 2003 12:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message
What Stella said!

Do what you feel you need to do.

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