posted June 27, 2003 07:12 PM         

On a deeper level, the soul communication you refer to IS there, but there could be a symbolic level here as well, a bit closer to the surface ... tell me what you think.

Starting with the assumption that this town is representative of your psychological life, the house in the "older neighborhood at the edge of this mystery town" could symbolize an older psychological/thought pattern. How appropriate that your "old girlfriend" is there! That relationship is the old pattern, but there is something new amidst the old. This leads me to a couple of questions:

Have you had recent contact with your ex? Or have you recently thought about her in more than a casual way?

Do you know if she is actually pregnant?

If not, then this scene could be a re-experiencing of her energies, but with the knowledge that you are not to be together ("you're seeing someone, aren't you?"). The baby could represent that innocent, pure energy that existed between you and your ex, and the final scene in the bedroom, the ending of intimacy. There are several possible variations to this symbology.

I would love to hear more of your thoughts ... ramble at will!!

posted June 29, 2003 06:55 PM         

Lee, what do you think this place is? Do you believe it is an actual, physical place (at least in some time), or do you think it is a construct/map of your psyche? Or do you think it could be a kind of past-life superimposition upon your current psyche construct? I am tending towards the latter, but am anything but certain.

Very interesting dialogue you have begun here!

posted July 01, 2003 01:53 PM         

Thank YOU for sharing your dreams!

posted July 02, 2003 02:15 PM         

It seems to me that you are resisting the closure you say you are ready for. Perhaps your paranoia about her death is a subconscious construction for trying to make some sort of physical contact/communication with her. Do you think?

The dream seems to be along the same lines. The mall, hotel, and airport can all relate to choices, or perhaps indecision (flipping between scenes). You have no control over, or part of, her actions (she is drunk) or her new life (her new truck) but there is still a desire to be a part of it (you drive her truck) even though she has cut the past away (shaved head) and there is no communication (very quiet).

Does that make any sense?

posted July 02, 2003 10:10 PM         

*note- before reading what i say there, keep in mind that i personally believe that the ex can be a symbol for *all* love relationships. so keep that in consideration when reading my thoughts, i just have to get offline right now and dont have time to go through and elaborate when i use the term 'ex' im sorry i dont like to do that, but ill be away for a week or so starting tomorrow and i must fly to get ready!

now that ive thought about it more, and there is that most recent dream... forgive me for butting in! but i think that relates back to the original dream. perhaps in the original dream lee, that was a construct of what you wanted, to be in a committed relationship and have a family and a life, but your subconscious was trying to tell you that it wasnt a good time, right now. hence the pager thing... and the 'youre seeing someone else'. perhaps that was a warning that if you continued wishing to be back with her, that no good would come to either of you. not as in literal cheating, but some other form of difficulty.

the infant could be looked at as a connection that you desire rather than a literal infant, for an infant *does* bind two people together through life regardless if they stay together or not. theres always that link. perhaps thats what you desire... and she was well cared for on both sides, so obviously you would want a connection that had those attributes from *both* sides. im sure you dont want a connection with someone where only you really value it, its gotta be reciprocal. but i did and do feel that your dream is telling you to let go to accept what the future holds for you. I DONT KNOW, these are just my impressions. its up to you to be honest with yourself and decide.

sometimes the devil we know is better than the devil we havent encountered... so it can be hard to let go. in these dreams, im not seeing a lot of positive reinforcement or encouragements from the ex.

these are just my meager interpretations... and my gut feeling about them (i have looked at your natal chart though too). i feel that right now would be a good time for you to evaluate your life, and the things that make you happy, and the things that dont.

that mountain retreat? work your way up there. a symbolic trailor park you mentioned, think about what trailor parks mean to *you*. they *are* not that sturdy, nor long lasting. i feel the mountain retreat you mentioned is something to strive for. to 'rise above'. the air is clearer, you have a view of all that is around you, and the area is small from up high, but you see the whole picture. the house you mention? i believe it is a metaphor for locking oneself into a 'safe' area, a comfort zone. i get the feeling that the house is older, i dont know why... kind of like a ghost town house, although you said it wasnt. i feel sadness connected with the house, of time suspended and a feeling of 'settling'. settling has two meanings. you can settle for something that isnt what you desire, but is better than nothing, or you can settle down, as in roots. i think your dreams are telling you not to settle. i think they are telling you to strive for that mountaintop... to work on yourself to reach it, and that barring further dreams to the contrary, you would find what you need then.

with your chart in mind, id look to learning as much about yourself, your strengths, things that could be improved on, get some stability in your life, heal some of your hurts (if you have any, and who doesnt?) and when the time is right, and you are ready, you will get what you need. fall in love with yourself! get to know yourself and start a romance with yourself! a relationship with yourself is lotta fun

anyway like i said, take everything i say with a grain of salt. i would agree with ra though. those are very astute observations.

i hope i didnt say anything depressing, all that i have to offer is food for thought. *you* are the final judge of what is best for you. i can only offer an objective viewpoint.

take care

posted July 17, 2003 05:13 AM         

tabookey is still around, and we had talked about his dreams in aim one day. i tried to be as objective as i could though. i *really* agreed with your interpretations too... and that sort of gave me the courage to post mine. i wasnt sure if this forum was basically just for you to handle the interpretations, but tabookey had asked me about what i thought before so i thought i would post in the thread so that you could correct me if you saw any grievous errors. *phew* im relieved

i cant wait till hes around more often. hes been busy i think

posted July 19, 2003 01:36 PM         

This forum is not just for me and my perceptions, not at all! I appreciate any and all thoughts from anyone who sees fit to post them! They can only help!

I would never "correct grievous errors" because there are none! Your point of view is as valid as mine. I am hardly always correct. I am not a professional of any sort, and am still learning about this mysterious dream world myself. Any thoughts by anyone else only serve to enrich this forum.

So please, feel free to share your thoughts whenever you like!!

posted July 20, 2003 12:19 AM         

thank you again for your kind words, they are very reassuring to me

you are right about everyone having a perception of their own, however sometimes we may not be speaking from an objective place. that was my worry, and i actually did say to lee at one point that i wished i could help him with his dreams but i didnt think i could attempt any insight as i knew him as a friend and was worried about the context, i would hate to make a mistake. i managed to be as objective as i could though i think. if that makes sense? i know if anyone understand my 'libra language' it would probably be another libra

in the past i seem to have been helpful to people in helping them with their dreams, and i enjoy putting that intuition to work, so i just might add some comments to other threads if i feel so moved. i just really do not want to butt in to other peoples labors, and i was not sure here because most peoples threads are directed at you with good reason too.

dreams used to affect me very deeply. more often than not they were so utterly bizarre that i had a hard time accepting them, they were riddles that seemed so complex that i couldnt interpret them for the life of me. other times they were nightmares so real and so terrifying that i would be affected for days, walking around very depressed and feeling a cloud of doom hanging over me let me stress- they were heavy and i feared sleep. nowadays i still dream but i have freed myself from them, i suppose i have a coping mechanism of sorts. when i wake up i push them out of my head, and get on with the day rather than dwell. i do not have any more nightmares really. i dont remember when i had one last. luckily i am free of that now. if there is something going on in my life i believe i will get that information elsewhere, without the distress. dreams take me really personally, and i them. dreams come when you are at your most vulnerable, and i prefer things like astrology charts/transits etc which kind of let me feel safer.

i painted a picture of a scene from a dream once. i still have it. it was very strange. it had a camera angle from behind me, a very strange angle, i could see the back of my torso and head, but only the lower legs of the being in front of me. i was in a hallway and this being in front of me blocking my way had like... furry devil legs, cloven hooves. i knew in my dream somehow that it was my mother. it struck me so hard that i painted it the next day. it was good therapy, and it was a very good dream in its context. my mother issue was one of my personal demons (my wise spiritual aunt [her sister, who she has also harmed] said she was my 'good' enemy), and walking down the hallway (my personal path of life) she was standing in my way blocking my path. i knew one day i would have to recognize her as being a negative force in my life, and that i would have to face up to her to proceed on my own without her influence, and even though it was a few years later i did exactly that. before that i had gotten frustrated and separated myself from her, but i always got maudlin and needy for a mommy so i always went back. not this time, because i recieved insight within me that it could not be. the perspective was interesting, i could only see her hooves so she was in the near future, farther down the hallway. i appeared in the guise of how i looked at my most awkward, in a teenage phase. its hard to describe but the clothes i wore around that time of my life were very generic, no personal style... i get more and more insight as i think about that one, but ill stop now cause i could go on forever

anyway lots of blabbing from me, tangents are my friend

take care and thank you for being you

~ana