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12thhousearies
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posted September 25, 2003 11:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12thhousearies     Edit/Delete Message
Hello again,

Hi Ra!

Another strange dream.

I am taking my daughter to soccer practice and instead of the high school being there(real life) there is a 16th century very large gray stone church. I go in and it seems to be only hallways and pews, stained glass windows. I am confused, I look around and then try to find my way out. At the same time though, I see a door and the kids playing soccer. I run into a nun and start speaking to her( I don't remember what was said-in the dream). Then my daughters soccer coach comes up and speaks to myself and the nun, he appears to be sickly, he is in pajamas and gives himself an injection.

The alarm goes off.

It seems that the dreams that I remember most vividly are always ones that leave me with an "unsettled" feeling
when I wake up. Any thoughts on this?

Cindi

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posted September 26, 2003 04:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message
Hello Cindi

A couple of things come to mind, but it would be better if I thought about it a bit. The coach has me puzzled for the moment.

Until tomorrow!

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posted September 26, 2003 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12thhousearies     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Ra

The coach puzzles me too!

Cindi

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posted September 27, 2003 04:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message
I am having difficulty with this one!

Perhaps we will be able to figure it out together ...

Beginning with a more "traditional" approach, the symbology could reflect a confusion within self concerning things religious or spiritual.

Do you feel somehow lost or "confused" in matters spiritual, or in matters dealing with your core beliefs?

Has everyday life distracted you from pursuing the sacred aspects of self?

Do you feel you have been "asleep" in your spiritual life?

Do you feel you have been "asleep" in your daughter's or family life?

???

Which, if any, of these questions fits your situation?

Now, from a completely different perspective ... that little voice in the back of my mind keeps saying, "past life, past life connections with the present". Perhaps related to one of the above questions? I do not know.

Does a past life perspective feel to you like it could be a possibility?

We will figure it out!

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posted September 27, 2003 06:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12thhousearies     Edit/Delete Message
You are scaring me Ra

Seriously though, yes, I have been trying to work on "feeling" spiritual vs. being religious(which I am not-I am a disillusioned Catholic:eek

I wouldn't have entertained the idea of past lives until last night....

I was meditating using a stone-a black obsidian. I began to feel that people were speaking to me and asking me questions. I felt extreme fear-my heart was racing but I wanted to continue. People began appearing in medieval dress-one was my daughters soccer coach. I felt he was evil and then somehow it was conveyed to me that he had killed me during this time. A beautiful woman came into view and I don't know who she was. She gave me a hopeful feeling. There were others as well.

I had to stop, my head was pounding and I felt entirely overwhelmed. It took me about a hour to calm down-had to use hematite stone for this(I am very drawn to it).

This really unnerved me and I hope I am not cracking up!

I can't share this with people I know, I have always been very logical and unemotional up until about Feb. when I had begun to feel I was changing inside. I feel as though I am opening up.

Does this help? I hope I don't make you insane

Cindi

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posted September 28, 2003 12:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message
Cracking up you are most certainly not!

All of what you said makes a great deal of sense and helps much! ... and do not worry about my sanity . I am glad to hear about your meditation and past-life possibilities - that really gives confirmation to the little voice in the back of my mind. Believe it or not, the impression I got of the coach was that he had a hand in your death in that life, no kidding!

So I think what we have here is a combination of your present life situation and past-life influences/connections.

I will get back to this as soon as I get a chance!

Thank you for sharing this dream with us, Cindi!

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posted September 28, 2003 11:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12thhousearies     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you Ra

I truly appreciate your patience and wisdom.

Past lives, wow- heavy.

Cindi

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posted September 30, 2003 02:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah, past-lives, far out

You are truly welcome, Cindi.

What I have to say in this post has little to do with wisdom, however, and I am hesitant to even post it. I do not usually get impressions like these. Anyway, these are just my impressions here and they go beyond what I see in the symbols, so take them with a grain of salt ...

In your present life, you say you are a disillusioned Catholic and that you are currently in the midst of a change - becoming more spiritual as opposed to more religious (bravo!). As I said before, the dream does suggest this situation. But more than that, to me, the dream also suggests a life previous in which you became more religious and perhaps less spiritual, a life in which you found your way into the Church and perhaps tried to get out of ... but did not succeed.

Now, here is where I go out on a limb. I do not know where all of this came from, and certainly do not know if it is correct. I often get vague, general, past-life impressions about others - mostly just situational or experiential impressions, but occassionally - very occassionally - seem to get some past-life specifics. I must say that some of the impressions I get from you in this particular experience contain fairly vivid imagery and feeling - for whatever reason. Of course, you must run this through your own internal "truth meter" for any resonance.

So ...

I am seeing the story of a woman (you) who became involved in the Church to such a degree that she became separated from her family, separated through the choice of dedicating herself to the Church, perhaps as a nun. She became intimately involved in the goings-on behind the scenes, which were more ceremonial and political than they were spiritual, and she lost sight of why she became involved in the first place.

At some point she began to question what was going on within the Church, mainly due to the actions of those in authority. There was one Bishop in particular who was quite cruel and twisted (present-day coach), especially to women and the children. He was sick in mind, but also in body, suffering from some sort of condition which affected his brain and neurological functions (a tumor perhaps). He had an odd appearance which seemed to reflect his twisted mind.

At some point at a confused time in that life, she had unexpected contact with a family member, a female, and this brought about in her the desire to leave the Church and return to her family. The Bishop learned of this, and she was killed. I get the feeling she was set up in some way, brought before a Church authority panel of some kind, and sentenced to death. I see her hanging, but I feel she was burned or poisoned.

Now, in this life, you are continuing your separation from the Church, at least on a spiritual level ... and the coach is getting the opportunity to redeem some of his karma through the instruction of children, although I feel that in a life previous to this one (and after the Bishop) he suffered in much the same way as the women and children he abused.

... okay, so who is cracking up now! Does all of that just seem like some sort of trip of my imagination? It could be, I certainly could not prove otherwise.

What do you think?

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posted September 30, 2003 03:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12thhousearies     Edit/Delete Message
Ra-we are both cracking up!

Unbelievably as I was reading this it "felt" right and then I realized something, all of what you described her as-the nun, (are you sitting down) is inherently me. Then and now.

In some ways I feel as though I keep reliving this scenario. Obviously I haven't done it right yet.

Present day, I work in a hospital, in a position where I am very involved behind the scenes and at many points in time I have and still, put my family second. I am now at a point in time where I feel as though I can no longer do this anymore(put the family second).

Scarily, I have worked at this job for ten years and I have seriously been questioning(all summer long) some of their ethics and politics and whether or not I want to work for them any more. The new boss is shaking things up and it is not for the right reasons. It just feels very wrong to me.

More scary is that this year, my husband and I started coaching a soccer team and have become very involved in the league itself. I truly enjoy being with the kids and work doesn't consume me like it used to. More importantly, I don't feel guilty about that either which I had in the past. I would go every time they had a crisis, I am more comfortable saying "no" now.

What is interesting about the coach, is that I always get approached by him and he just wants to chat, but I always have felt that I knew him from somewhere.

I remember seeing smoke in the meditation-must have been burned.

I feel like I am on the right path now spiritually, I think....

Thank you for being so generous with your time and knowledge. You are the man!

I will try not to pester you too much with my crazy dreams, I promise- mostly so neither of us cracks up.:wink grin:

Take care, Cindi

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posted September 30, 2003 04:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12thhousearies     Edit/Delete Message
Oh no Ra,

One more thing about work. Someone has been trying to undermine myself and a few others (which is another long story), she hasn't been successful-it was all unfounded, but I have been very defensive lately.

And now that I really think about it, there are people at work that are playing both sides of the fence, which curiously I just figured out yesterday. I have been trying concsiously to stay out of it. It is really the worst it has ever been at this job.

Wow-freak out

Cindi

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posted September 30, 2003 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12thhousearies     Edit/Delete Message
Last thing,

I really hate to admit but this he coach was in a dream again last night- lucky you, I don't remember the dream, I just know his head was in my lap.

I need help

Cindi

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posted October 01, 2003 03:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message

All of what you said is VERY interesting indeed! It seems we have stumbled upon a pattern of sorts!

So, in that last dream, was it just his head, or was his head attatched to his body?!

And please, feel free to ask about any dream you wish, whenever or however often you like - it is really no bother ... I am learning much from your dreams, so you are certainly no pest!

Have a groovy day

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posted October 01, 2003 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12thhousearies     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Ra,

His head was attatched to his body and we were talking, about what I don't know.

Ok, now I have to admit this too , I was running my hands through his hair and began thinking how it felt just like my husbands hair and maybe I ought not be doing that! I stopped, the next thing I knew he jumped up and was standing and yelling something with a crazy, exaggerated look on his face and that's all I remember.

Another freaky one....

Cindi

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posted October 02, 2003 03:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message
A kind of love-hate thing going there, huh!?

I am not sure about this, but it could be that because you now have some sort of understanding about the energies at work concerning him, he is no longer a threat, no longer has power over you - you have him in your hands. Perhaps you have subconsciously or consciously accepted the karmic interplay between you, and you have forgiven him - a product of love - and it now matters not what action he takes.

Could be!

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posted October 02, 2003 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12thhousearies     Edit/Delete Message
Ra,

I have to think about that!

Actually I hope you are right.

A question for you, do you dream vividly and/or frequently?

Just curious.

Cindi

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posted October 02, 2003 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message
I dream every night, and usually quite vividly.

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posted October 02, 2003 11:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12thhousearies     Edit/Delete Message
May you have sweet dreams!

Cindi

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