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posted April 06, 2005 06:33 AM         

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I'm putting this here, but it could go in any forum, really.
One sees many posts of the kind: expand your psychic potential, visit your ex when you dream etc.
It reminds me of a gathering I attended, where I was introduced to a blind seer. He immediately began to do his "turn" after he said hello, telling me things about myself, maybe I was meant to applaud or something.
I see this time and time again. Parents visualizing "good things for their children".
Its like the Wild West of the imagination. No law, no ethics.

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posted April 06, 2005 09:56 AM         

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Could you please elaborate?
I am missing something key, it seems.....
Thanks.

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posted April 06, 2005 10:13 AM         

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are you perhaps upset because most readers,psychics give only the "happy happy joy joy,don't worry be happy readings? Affirmations and positive thinking are wonderful, but not when they lead to being in a denial loop. Denial is dangerous.Blowing sunshine up someones ___
is not ethical. Too many "psychics" do that to make a buck, or show off when they really have not received anything! Just a pet peeve of mine.

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posted April 06, 2005 02:09 PM         

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Its a very good thing that psychics give happy readings,they are forbidden by law from doing otherwise. That is certainly a branch of ethics. there is a fellow named Louis Turi going around predicting death and destruction and I wish someone would put ethics on him.
But my experience was, I had never met the blind guy, he wasn't my friend and I had not asked him for a reading. Similarly, your ex,being your ex, he probably doesn't want you visiting him unannounced. Get my drift?

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posted April 06, 2005 02:35 PM         

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You're right about that, maklhouf. We should never invade someone's privacy. I don't know about laws against negative readings ... where do they enforce this?

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posted April 06, 2005 02:48 PM         

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Maybe I am wrong but I think a fortune teller can be prosecuted in the uk for giving a bad personal reading. However, they seem to get awy with it in public.
With dreams , people want to prove things so they are looking for evidance etc. But I dont think that things will advance until we find a way of making asral travellers etc. travel with respect

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posted April 06, 2005 04:20 PM         

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Right!
I getcha' on this now.
Yeah, actually, I know there are a few exes out there who'd love to 'astrally visit' me again... but I can't say I would enjoy the idea. What is ex is ex for reasons I know. ( mostly )
Luckily, they're not into this kind of stuff.
I agree that one should seek a reading, not expect to be grateful for having someone access their 'channels' without consent.
It is rather invasive, isn't it?

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posted April 07, 2005 03:34 AM         

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Totally ... and it will come back to haunt you if you do use it intrusively.

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posted April 07, 2005 09:22 AM         

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Yes most do not want warnings, and if the reader is wrong it could unduly affect the person. However a reader should not lie and make up good things, this too can backfire. A reading should be differentiated from counseling and encouragement.A man called me about his health. I always ask God to tell me what I may or may not reveal. I told him to get to a doctor immediately, because his life depended on it. He went as instructed. As it turned out he was sent straight from the doctor to testing and emergency surgery which saved his life. The doctors said he would have been dead within three days. They laughed at him at first, but then they were shocked. It was something he'd had going wrong long before he called me. I myself would want to have such warning! Wouldn't anyone?

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posted April 07, 2005 09:28 AM         

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Ra, I agree! Never ever invade someones privacy! Never scan, grid, read or give a message to someone without consent. That's a form of mind rape!

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posted April 07, 2005 12:07 PM         

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I came across a bit of reading that said you shouldn't even "pray" for someone who hasn't asked you to. Even if they are sick. (you can ask them though)
It's ok to surround them with "white light" or pray for the universe to treat them well, but not pray for them to recover from an illness. Just something I read...
I was wondering why the Pope didn't recover if all those people were praying for him. Did he choose to "meet the lord?" Hmmmmm.

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posted April 07, 2005 12:33 PM         

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But is praying for someone a matter of ethics, or goodwill?
I understand the question of ethics when one chooses to inundate you with invasive readings, which you are 'supposed' to be grateful for, but did not seek....

But a selfless, hurtless gesture like praying for someone... even if it is more for the good of your own soul than the others' ( A sense of peace and goodwill to give to another in a selfless way, thereby making it selfish, because you gained pleasure from it.. depends how you look at it) One may not know you are praying for them.. unless you tell them, thereby making the act invasive.

Oh, A STORY!
(you may read on, or go away, sorry)
When I had my daughter, I went through the labour, with support and love, and I was able to have a pretty easy going *did I use that term?* Natural birth. I was immensely in awe of my body.. I saw it as a source of pride.. because I didn't know I could endure such a thing.. ( My son was a difficult delivery and an epidural was administered after three days of non-progressive labour) I didn't think it was a bad thing to be in touch with my elemental power and connection to all women before me, and I often spoke about it, in wonder...
My mother ( who watched me through the whole thing) and my mother in law, both 'born again' Christians,
when I started glowing on about how amazing it was that I could do that.. both said..
"Yes, we prayed for an easy delivery."
Both of them, as if this were a great thing to say.
I thought.. well thanks for taking any ownness away from me!!!!! Yeah, you're right, I didn't do that, did I? It was you.
Hey, glad I could be the conduit!

Yeah, so I know!

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posted April 07, 2005 01:49 PM         

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Yes I believe that prayer can often be invasive if not requested. When I was a 4 year old the family was on a group death watch for my Great Uncle. The poor man was screaming and crying{I was hiding behind the drapery} yet everyone was praying and begging him to hang on{it was invasive very terminal cancer]he had been in horrible agony like this for over a day. Even though I was a little kid I could see they were torturing the poor suffering man, and I was so angry at their selfishness. A person can be held to life against their will to go onward. And often perhaps when prayer does nothing perhaps it is their karmic lot to endure whatever has befallen them. I find that prayer is best when one wishes or prays for the situation to resolve as fate, God, karma, whatever decrees. To do other than that inflicts a conflict of wills. ---------------Ok, Pixelpixie! I too after 12 miscarriages gave birth to my son naturally. No one could understand the great experience of such a wonder without doing it themselves!

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posted April 07, 2005 01:57 PM         

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I heard the Pope, with my own ears, say that all disease is caused by sin. And he was talking about the sin of the individual, not some sort of general sin of humanity.

*** The looks on the faces of many of the Bishops and such in the audience was priceless **

What was he saying?

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It has served us well, this myth of Christ.

- Pope Leo X

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posted April 07, 2005 02:06 PM         

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How would you explain disease in an infant?
That is cruel to lay that label of sin causing illness and disease. That is the same thing that made folks in the past abuse and condemn the unfortunate persons. All illness and disease is not caused by sin. Crap happens to the innocent and folks who do not derserve it too.
That is a cruel jusdgement to place on folks.

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posted April 07, 2005 03:40 PM         

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* the pope would secretly not have liked me very much then *
He'd call me sin-edy sin-sinner.
*but it would be secret, cuz he'd have to love me.

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posted April 07, 2005 03:47 PM         

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Fayte.m.~
12 miscarriages?
wow. I am happy for you that you were able to experience a successful pregnancy and a wonderful child.

I was joking about the sin thing... it's just I don't think I'd fit into stifling labels....

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posted April 07, 2005 04:38 PM         

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I had 26 in all. My current husband {this one is a keeper!} and I have tried but no luck. He is 15 years younger, I wish I could have a child with him.
Oh yeah, the fates, God was on my side that day my only child was born because At 4:55pm the midwife said it would be twelve or more hours. To her utter shock he was born 11 minutes later! She left for a few minutes and as I was walking around-wham! I barely made it back to the bed! I always just have to be different! Ha! Ha!

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posted April 07, 2005 04:42 PM         

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pixelpixie, as far as being a sinner, I don't feel I am or was. Just the indiscretions of youth and it was the 60's and 70's. God, I.m showing my age! With a young husband however I don't feel it.

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posted April 11, 2005 02:20 AM         

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Good to hear!

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