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Lemingtyne
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posted May 10, 2005 07:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lemingtyne     Edit/Delete Message
I dreamed of a little girl near Gainesville, Florida who died on a hill near her home. There were so many details -- there was the little girl's name, the name of the exact community or suburb where her family lived, a map of her family's property and the surrounding area, but these details are not clear to me now. I want to say the girl's name was Joan, but I'm not sure. The family was well-off and had several children. The girl was about 8-10 years old, mentally challenged, had long straight dark hair, and a very sweet, trusting, forgiving disposition. Her father was either from New England or Europe, he was older, short, stocky, had frizzy gray hair and was probably Jewish. He was seen as "different." Though he wasn't directly blamed for his daughter's death, she disappeared whilehe was supposed to be looking after her. He didn't like noise, like the cartoons she liked to watch, so she was playing outside so he could have peace and quiet in the house. I got the impression that her death was accidental, not a murder. The mother was quite defensive of her eccentric husband. An older brother of the girl attended a private high school. He was a gifted writer and often contributed to the school newspaper offering a Jewish perspective. He had attended Hebrew schooland modeled for some sort of catalogue. The family erected a small stone marker at the place where the girl's body was found. She may have even been buried there. The area did not look like Florida to me. It was in the woods and slightly hilly.

What do you think? Is this something that has happened or will happen? Or is it symbolic? If symbolic, what does it symbolize? Thanks.
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Lemingtyne
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posted May 11, 2005 06:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lemingtyne     Edit/Delete Message
Just want to add --
I know all dreams are symbolic to some extent, but the meaning of this one eludes me because I'm not in the dream and none of the people in it remind me of people I know in real life. I don't think I've ever been to Gainesville, FL. This dream was like watching the news.
There was another (part of a?) dream just before this one that I was in with my family. I was with my parents, including my dad who died 7 years ago and my brother and we were all much younger. We were going somewhere in a car, and then there was a flood and I think we were riding a log, and the whole sequence was very dark. Then it all turned out to be a TV show that the little girl who (later) died was watching (I think). It may have even been a cartoon. In any case I got the sense that the sequence with my family was not important or not real. The one with the people I didn't know in Florida was the part that really mattered. It was very bright, always day-time in that part, by contrast.

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Ra
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posted May 13, 2005 04:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message
Hello Lemingtyne, welcome to LindaLand

I'll be glad to give it a symbolic perspective as soon as I can.

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posted May 18, 2005 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Lemingtyne Still around?

I feel that the sequence with your family provides a connection with the Florida family dream. Perhaps there is a link between the death of your father and the emotions surrounding that event (flood/dark), and the death of the little girl. How old were you when your father passed?

Sometimes a dream such as this, like you are "watching the news", occurs because the material contained within it is too painful or too difficult, so your dream consciousness does not place you directly into it, you are disassociated from it. So the dream could be a symbolic reflection of your own experience, and of some internal issue which is very difficult to deal with. A dream with great detail like this one also often indicates that the nature of the material is very personal.

Before I continue, what do you think so far?

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Lemingtyne
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posted May 19, 2005 03:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lemingtyne     Edit/Delete Message

Ra,
Thank you for looking at my dream. While I was dreaming and just after I woke up I felt that it was important that I remember as many details and facts as possible. I think you are right, though, that it's important not because it's something that will happen in Florida, but because it's something that's happening inside. I was 16 when my dad died, about the age of the older brother in the dream I guess, and I had written for the school newspaper and entered some poems and stories for competition at the request of my teachers a few months before his death. (I just thought of that connection.) Also, my father's death was accidental like the girl's probably was. My family is not Jewish, and I don't see any other obvious connections. Do you see any other hidden meanings in the details I provided? I've had plenty of dreams about my dad since he died, but no one ever really talks about him or what happened.
Thank you again for any further insights you can provide. I'm very interested to know what's so troubling that it had to be presented in this way. I'd like to be able to deal with it if I can. I look forward to your interpretation.
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posted May 19, 2005 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message
welcome lemingtyne

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Lemingtyne
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posted May 19, 2005 08:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lemingtyne     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks lalalinda! I'm learning a lot here; glad I found this place!

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Lemingtyne
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posted May 19, 2005 09:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lemingtyne     Edit/Delete Message
Ra,
I was thinking of the Florida dream and what it might mean concerning my father's death and my feelings when I had this other dream. I won't ask for a separate interpretation, but I'll post some of what I remember of it here so that maybe it can tell you a little more about what's going on inside of me. I don't know if it will be helpful to you or not, but here it is.
I'm not at all sure of the order in which these fragments occured.
I woke up and turned on the lamp beside my bed, no light. I got out of bed and flipped the switch by the door for the overhead light, but no light. I went out into the hall and tried to turn that light on, same thing. My eyes were adjusting to the dark and I could see the outlines of things. I started yelling down the stairs for someone to turn the lights on down there and that I couldn't see anything. My mom and her boyfriend and his daughters were down there and they could see the lights I had turned on, it wasn't dark to them, but they were rushing around turning on more and more lights to try to help me see.
A dream within a dream: I'd dreamed that we thought my father had died, but then several years later he showed up. He'd had amnesia. It was very awkward to try to fit him back into the family, so after a while he went away. (I've had that dream before.) No one ever talked about the incident after it happened, so I had forgotten about it. I woke up, realized that the dream was actually a real memory, became angry and upset and went downstairs to confront my mother about it, to ask her what really happened and why she let me forget.
I was watching a TV show, maybe the news, with some people in the living room. We saw all these bizarre, impossible things that had supposedly really happened. We were stunned. The only segment I can remember right now is that part of the earth turned into a green dragon and flew away. After seeing all these crazy things and believing them, thinking maybe it was the end of the world, the news anchor or whoever said that it had all been something like an April Fool's joke.
There were other things, but what I've written above is what I remember most clearly and what seemed most meaningful.

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posted May 21, 2005 01:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message
Hello Lemingtyne

I'll be glad to give you some thoughts on your other dream, if you wish ... and that does help to see more of what is going on inside of you, so thank you.

As for the first dream ...

I think there are some hidden meanings in the details - I can feel them, but I do not yet see all of them clearly. Perhaps in time we can sort them out more specifically, but for now my thoughts are rather general, and brief.

In general, this dream could suggest that, when your father died, so did an aspect of you. I know you were 16, but you were still daddy's little girl, right? When he died, so did that little girl. Does that make sense? Now, the details can provide a sort of map of what is being affected inside of you, how it manifests, etc.

For instance, the girl's name, the community, and the map of the area are details that can, together, symbolize your psyche, and more specifically that part of your psyche which was/is affected by your father's passing. The Jewish meaning enters here somehow ... something about a different spiritual perspective maybe ... I'm not sure yet. The girl in the dream was mentally challenged because your father's death was/is a mental challenge, you see? And the dream ends with the hilly/wooded scene, suggesting that perhaps much of this experience has been "put to rest" within your sub/unconscious. There is unfinished business. Anything "laid to rest" in the sub/unconscious is guaranteed to eventually re-emerge one way or the other until it is resolved.

Do any of the details make sense to you in that light?

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Lemingtyne
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posted May 31, 2005 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lemingtyne     Edit/Delete Message
hello Ra,
sorry it's taken me so long to post my feedback, but I have been thinking about your interpretation a lot. When I first read it, I thought "of course" it's so obvious that the little girl's death represents the end of my own little girl-hood. I guess I just needed an objective observer to point that out to me. It's hard to understand even the obvious from deep inside a situation. You are right, of coourse
It's hard to accept that things can change so drastically. My father was a huge huge part of my life and suddenly boom one day he was gone. And the young me doesn't exist anymore. When I was young(er) I had no reason to doubt that "who I am is who I will always be" and I couldn't imagine what my life beyond about age 18 would be like. I assumed I would die young, and I'm still amazed whenever I realize how old I am (only 23, lol)! I don't know what to do with my grown-up self. I expect to be treated like a child and I let myself be treated that way. There's unfinished business concerning my father on a more tangible level: he was cremated but nothing was ever done with his ashes. My mom will bring that up once in a while and say something needs to be done with them, and I'll agree and say let's do something already, but nothing is ever done. It's been almost 7 years. I guess with most of these things I just don't think about them, don't deal with them, and that's why they had to come at me in disguise for me to be able to give them a second thought.
Thanks for your help and guidance. I'll go try to deal with being a grown-up now lol
Lemingtyne

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