posted May 15, 2005 03:18 PM         

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At 1.30pm EST I had a funny dream.

I was at my old home where I lived 20 years ago. I saw a bird cage with a wild pigeon in it. It seemed calm and innocent. I went ahead and opened the gate. While I was opening it, I wondered if this Pigeon would fly away and never return. Then a strange thing happened, the pigeon didn't fly and would not go away even I would pet her. It behaved tame. Suddenly, I noticed a small turtle(size of my hand) the pigeon grew wild and started pecking the turtle. The turtle hid behind a sack and disappeared. The pigeon would attempt to enter the hole. It behaved quiet lunatically(I think). Then I awoke.

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Hints:
I never dreamt of more than one animal in my dream. The closest experience I had with a pigeon was when I was young. But of all animals, why a turtle?

Past experience:
When I was young, I knew of a pigeon who was hurt and was being treated by a friend. When I asked him a month later about the pigeon, the guy said he flew away never returning.

posted May 16, 2005 09:11 AM         

I saw a cave and entered it. In there I saw a man cutting head from body and inflicting wounds on the head. I witnessed 3-4 heads being mutilated this way. The victims seem to be dead already or being very silent in the whole process. There is this one head that this man puts in a cloth and bangs it agains the walls of the cave.

posted May 16, 2005 12:17 PM         

Comments on your dream....

Turtle stands for a guide or teacher that will come to teach you. Your soul is the pigeon which is captive and obedient to the body or material world. When the teacher arrives then, you will be disobedient and resist to learn. But this is a good sign because there is an internal struggle which will lead to illumination.

A Cave has a few significant implications. Going into the cave is again an internal struggle. Death of the body is overcoming worldly desires. Even after the first battle with the lower self is successful (cutting off the head), the battle is not over but will continue (hitting the head on the cave wall). More generally, cutting the head means to become a “darvish”. It also signifies a proposal for marriage or paying off a debt.

God Bless
Michael Reza

posted May 16, 2005 01:05 PM         

I think I can kind of see what is going on here, I just need a bit of time to put words to it. Be back soon ...

posted May 16, 2005 01:09 PM         

Your post didn't show when I looked ... interesting thoughts. What do you think of that, iAmThat?

posted May 16, 2005 03:18 PM         

Michael,
I am not so familiar with symbolisms. In christianity the holy spirit is represented by a dove. In this case this is not a white dove (as I am so habituated seeing) but a wild pigeon.

Cutting of head does seem to indicate to me a vocation call. A call from someone who wants to dispel my ignorance because I have invoked her name.

Yeoowww...I am not sure I can handle all this

posted May 16, 2005 03:26 PM         

A tragic thing had happened as I spoke with my sister who lives abroad.

I may sound funny, but it I am very grieved. There may not be any correlation and I am not fabricating this story.

My sister has a 22 month old handsome son. He is a cancerian. I got a call today from my sister who said that their 12 year old maid had abused her son. She took him to a balcony and fiddle with his member. There was blood all over his foreskin. He is doing well now, but doctors said he would need to be circumcised. She said it takes 3 people to apply medicine and for some one to make him wear a underwear. The boy is in severa pain.

Wonder what is the karmic experience that I have to learn being his Uncle. I for one am very empathatic and really feel his pain.

What do you say? Is this really a case of synchronicity and I was being warned before I got the news?

posted May 17, 2005 03:30 AM         

One thing is strange about these turtles, a similarity. None of them fare too well. In one dream a turtle is pecked maddly by a pigeon, in another they die, and in still another they are mistreated and abandoned.

Does anyone else think that is odd?

posted May 17, 2005 12:04 PM         

Given this the turtle represents the energy of the Void/Emptiness. The pigeon might represent some alien/Gods coming from beyond to create chaos on earth. Just a theory.

Michael, you said " It also signifies a proposal for marriage or paying off a debt"

posted May 20, 2005 10:42 PM         

I ran across something that may also relate to the second dream that disturbed you. It is a story of the meeting between a well respected philospher and a young man who would one day be know as a great mystic. Apologies for lack of reference, I can't recall precisely where this came from...likely a philosophy website.

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Between Yes and No.

It is this paradox which is beautifully described in a meeting
between the greatest master and the chief judge of Seville, the celebrated
jurist and philosopher Ibn Rushd (known to the Latin West as
Averroes, who wrote a famous commentary on Aristotle).

"I spent the day in Cordoba at the house of Abu al-Walid Ibn Rushd.
He had expressed a desire to meet me in person, since he had heard of
certain revelations I had received while in retreat and had shown
considerable astonishment concerning them. In consequence my father,
who was one of his closest friends, took me with him on the pretext
of business, in order to give Ibn Rushd the opportunity of making my
acquaintance."

"I was at the time a beardless youth. As I entered the house, the
philosopher rose to greet me with all the signs of friendliness and
affection, and embraced me. Then he said to me "Yes", and showed
pleasure on seeing that I had understood him. I, on the other hand,
being aware of the motive for his pleasure, replied "No". Upon this
Ibn Rushd drew back from me, his colour changed and he seemed to
doubt what he had thought of me. He then put to me the following
question, "What solution have you found as a result of mystical
illumination and divine inspiration? Does it coincide with what is
arrived at by speculative thought?" I replied "Yes and no. Between
the Yea and the Nay the spirits take their flight beyond matter, and
the necks detach themselves from their bodies".

"At this Ibn Rushd became pale, and I saw him tremble as he muttered
the formula 'there is no power save from God'. This was because he
understood my allusion... After that he sought from my father to meet
me in order to present what he himself had understood: he wanted to
know if it conformed with or was different from what I had. He was
one of the great masters of reflection and rational consideration. He
thanked God that in his own time he had seen someone who had entered
into the retreat ignorant and had come out like this - without study,
discussion, investigation or reading".

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posted May 21, 2005 02:01 AM         

I think this dream is a message (pigeon) from your "higher self" concerning some aspect of being free as weighed against reasons we choose not to.

Perhaps you want to be "free as a bird" (open cage), and are grateful for what you have (pigeon stays), but perhaps do not want to give up the secure, protective "shell" that life can provide. So we have an internal conflict represented ... being free vs. security/protection/old life habits.

In the second dream, your dream consciousness has entered the unconscious realm (cave) for the purpose of shedding light upon something secret, hidden, or something you are unaware of. It appears that your dream consciousness is trying to get your attention, to point out that there is something going on in your life, in your mind, that you do not understand (heads cut off), or do not want to. It could be suggested that you are in the midst of a psychological change, or a change in thought, one which is growth oriented (yet difficult) and which deals with your own personal boundaries (3-4 heads), probably as related to how you think, or how you feel.

It looks to me like the two dreams are connected. Does any of this make sense to you?

posted May 21, 2005 02:04 PM         

On a side note: I am trying to describe Dreams as I understand. I am believing that in the beginning of time we all were part of one big dream that came from void and with time we are like an individual tree in the forest, with our own individual dream. Sometimes our dream takes a different turn and we incarnate.

posted May 22, 2005 01:09 PM         

Any artistic licence in this dream? Generally turtles rarely need freeing and suffer little to not at all from the pecks of birds. Any ideas what you may have been doing if these two activities are symbols rather than actual? Consider too that you are on the beach.