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lechien
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posted August 04, 2009 11:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message
i need help interpreting the dream a close friend of mine had this morning. it is SO disturbing. he was so drained when he woke up. He could not tell the reality from the nightmare and had goose-bumps when he doubted that he was still in the dream world. he says it felt so real, and also strangely logical, like the progression of the story was kind of making sense within itself.

we were sitting at a beach somewhere, and there was a TV crew. Someone steals their camera and runs away, and as he does, the guy hits me in the back of the head. my head has a huge hole at the back and it is bleeding terribly, and my friend yells to call an ambulance. But as he looks again, i had turned into an old bald guy with a hole in the head. and he is already dead.

he woke up in his bed and we go out to the street. it is a strange town in the south or east of Europe, a city he has never been before, but apparently we live here now. i say to him that i need to go to a factory. i have something to do there. i disappear into the factory building and he walks around alone, then around the corner a dog comes, and he sees that its teeth are rotten, with grotesque slime dripping down, and it jumps onto him and bites him in the leg. his leg is bleeding and covered in the terrible disgusting slime, and he has to go to a doctor. He finds a clinic and the doctor is sitting at his desk in the middle of the room. there is a long queue of people in front of it. when it is finally his turn, he realises that he only has a few cents with him. he tells the doctor that he needs a bandage but it cannot be too big because i cannot pay for it. the doctor is very kind and has completely white hair, with his white doctor's coat. he sends some assistants to the other room to look for a bandage. in the meantime he brings an IV and gives him an injection.

when he is done and about to leave, a very beautiful girl with platinum blond hair approaches him and tells him that she wants to come home with him. she is not sexualised or his type, just a very pretty girl. he politely declines her offer, telling her that she is kind but he wants to go alone.

when he comes home, i am in the kitchen and he can see me doing something behind the door with a milk glass window. as i pass in front of the window, he sees that at the back of my head there was a shadow, like a hole, but it is not very clear through the milk glass. as i pass another time, i look like i have something strange hanging around my mouth. he enters the kitchen and sees me standing at the table, doing something, and there is a big hole at the back of my head, still bleeding badly. he is shocked, because he thought it was all a dream. he approaches closer to me, then i turn around, and to his utter terror my mouth is completely shredded, the flesh of the lips dangling around, and teeth exposed. and my eyes were not quite aligned normally, they were pointing to different directions.

Then he wakes up. he is in his room. and he turns to see, because he thinks i am sleeping next to him. but instead of my black hair, he sees platinum blond. and the person turns around and it is the girl who wanted to come with him at the medical clinic. he is completely confused and gets up to leave, and the girl invites him to stay in bed longer and play. but he says he has to go somewhere, and she says she'll accompany him.

so he arrives at a square with a big church in the middle, and a lot of punk kids hanging out (he used to be a punk himself). then he sees a girl entering the door, someone he knows from a few years back. relieved to see a familiar face in this strange town, he calls out her name, over and over, but she does not react. when he catches up with her, she turns around finally, but with a very angry look. then she yells at him, "what the **** do you want from me, leave me alone!" and this embarrasses him so much, because everyone stairs at him. he walks back to where the blond girl is standing, and realises that the girl at the door is now crying. a couple of punks passes him, with the look of disdain, and one of them pulls out a knife and stabs him in the stomach. he falls onto the ground and sees the blond girl looking down on him, with a strange smile. others are also looking at him with a snicker, they all are spiteful and mockingly laughing at him. then a little old dwarfish punk guy comes with a piece of pointy wood, and tries to poke his eye. he tries to evade, but he cannot move as he wants. he gets stabbed in the eyelids.


then he woke up, this time for real.

what could have made him have such a wretched dream!? what does it mean???

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lechien
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posted August 04, 2009 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message
the more i think of it, i realise certain symbols that might signify his desire to come in terms with his past and certain fears associated with his current life.

the platinum blond girl, although he does not seem to associate at all with this, the first thing that comes to my mind is his ex-girlfriend. he fell in love hard with this woman and he has not got over her for 5 years, and it was not just that but it has destroyed him completely. he is having nightmares, he aged 10 years in appearance since they parted, his life has changed forever. since then he is incapable of loving anyone. he said in the beginning he found her rather plain looking, not his type at all. she is platinum blond, and she has become THE woman of his life. i have a feeling the girl from the dream somehow represents her.

also it shows his past as a punk and how he feels like he has fallen out. also his constant nervousness and fear of being criticised...

but then, i don't know where I am fitting at all in this dream! why am i violently destroyed in his dream?? how disturbing!

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posted August 13, 2009 09:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message
anyone has an idea what my role in his dream could have been? it's disturbing me a bit and i would appreciate a little insight. thank you!

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posted August 19, 2009 08:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message
anyone anyone? why did this person dream of me like that??

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lechien
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posted August 24, 2009 08:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message
no one...? please please? it scares me a bit because of what happens to me in his dream.

i appreciate any insight.

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posted August 24, 2009 08:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fatinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message
Hi... I'll give it a go but I'm a total amateur so take it all with some bags of salt!

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posted August 24, 2009 08:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fatinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message
Okay so I think in the first part you've got the TV crew which might symbolize consciousness as such ... I mean a TV camera is like an eye, so it might symbolize your friends waking sight/ consciousness. He's on a beach and feeling safe and relaxed, so the conscious world is his comfort zone where he is in control. Then someone steals the camera, which I think symbolizes your friend falling asleep ... his eyes close, the camera is stolen, so sleep steals his consciousness away from him. Now he is is faced with how he sees the unconscious mind: The many references to "hole in the head" makes me think that is how he sees the unconscious. As some hole or space or absence ... something abnormal and scary. In his dream you represent him, or at least the unconscious part of him, like his 'soul' or 'anima'. So his soul has a hole in it's head, and changes into an old bald guy - someone who should have wisdom but has none? I mean grey hair on an old guy usually shows wisdom but his soul has turned into a old but bald guy ... so someone who should have wisdom but doesn't. That is actually him and it means he is ignoring messages from his soul for a long time, so his soul is really really trying to get his attention!

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posted August 24, 2009 09:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fatinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message
You, his 'soul' in the dream, tell him you have to go to a factory. I think that literally means his soul is telling him to work. Maybe he prefers to avoid work, or is afraid of it. The dog represents instinct, and he is afraid of his instincts for two reasons: he imagines his instinct is toxic/ bad for him, and second he cannot control his instincts because the dog bites him. If he were in control of his emotions the dog in the dream would obey him, not bite him.
He is afraid to ask for help in this regard because he thinks his problems are not such a big deal - there are many others in the queue before him in the clinic and he doesn't rush past them so he thinks he is not more important than other people. The second thing that stops him from asking people to help him is that he is afraid he's not worthy of help ... he has too little to pay with.

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posted August 24, 2009 09:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fatinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message
The girl with the platinum hair is his idealized version of himself - his 'perfect' soul, and is worth a lot because platinum is even more precious than gold. He again ignores her even though she has changed form ... meaning he still wants to take no advice from his soul.

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posted August 24, 2009 09:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fatinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message
The last time he saw 'you' it was going to the factory, which seems to have a very bad effect on people, since you now have shredded lips and something wrong with your eyes. He is afraid that a conventional job will destroy him and who he really is inside. Your face represents his face, or at least what he's afraid would happen to his face (personality) if he goes into the factory (the mechanical world of economics and manufacturing).

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posted August 24, 2009 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fatinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message
Um ... sorry I gotta take a break, will be back with more later ... is any of this helping at all?

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posted August 24, 2009 09:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fatinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message
Um ... sorry I gotta take a break, will be back with more later ... is any of this helping at all?

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posted August 24, 2009 10:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fatinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message
What happens in the square with the church in the middle has the purpose of diminishing his ego so that more of his true soul may come through ... he is ignored, shouted at, ridiculed, stabbed. This might be a good thing because dreams are often topsy turvy. Anyway he sounds like someone who has need of someone to help him and accept him as he is so that he can begin to grow and heal. Lechien I reckon your are representing him in his dream because you are the one he is turning to unconsciously for help.

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lechien
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posted August 25, 2009 08:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message
WOW...! wow thanks so much Tinker, i was surprised to see my thread suddenly accumulated to 13 posts from none!?

and wow, i think you're onto something here, too... I'm really interested in dream symbols for I often dream myself. but when it comes to interpreting i suck. so any insight would have helped me, but i think your interpretation is pretty uncanny. i'm sorry the explanation of the dream was so long... but the reason i wanted to detail was exactly because this person has problems and i sensed it had to do with his inner struggle, and i seem to take part in his inner processing. i want to be his help in waking life too...

i can explain a bit if you want to see how reality correlates with your interpretation (but if not skip it). he is a very broken person, i live with him and we have a strange relationship. first of all, he watches TV all the time to forget reality. he is insomniac and has a pretty messed up sleeping schedule. he has refused to work all his life and living off welfare. he is one of those people who are so talented in many creative things that he gets nothing done. he has inner struggles being brought up by a bipolar mother. he avoids responsibilities at all cost. and lastly, he fell in love with a woman with platinum blond (so the girl in the dream may not represent her but it makes sense if it represents "perfection", since she is the perfect person) about 5 years ago and it destroyed him and he has become an empty shell since then. he cannot see anything more meaningful than the life with her. he has tried to date other women and tried to fall in love again without success. now he has pretty much given up and he is cynical, pessimistic, self-critical and dismissive of most things in his life. but he is suffering every moment of his life... his physical appearance aged practically 15 years since then.

ok, so that was the rough background. now i can kind of see where i fit in, because of your interpretation. i believe i am the closest person to him at the moment, both emotionally and physically (we have been sexually involved on and off in the past). i feel that he is struggling with being pulled toward me and his own resistance (that is why we become sexually involved on and off. when he feels emotionally too close to me, he quits being sexual). he is strangely detached to me but on the other hand he wants to introduce me to his mother, who has never met any of his friends/girlfriends.

i always wondered if it was just my egoistic point of view that i felt this person no one could help so far was turning to me for help somehow, because of what our friendship has come through. somehow i can't just ignore and leave him and i ended up sticking around... i just don't know how i can help him anyway, so i'm taking up a sort of neutral position in his life. i still don't know what he might "need" from me, but your interpretation did clear it up that i AM sort of the window in his damaged inner world into the outer world. although i don't know what would be the right thing to do, i hope my existence in his life is leading him out of the suffering.

that was eye-opening. thanks again for taking the time to interpret this long dream, Tinkerbell!!!

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posted August 26, 2009 06:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message
ok, i thought through your interpretation further more. he is facing a worse financial situation currently, because recently he had to resister officially as a professional artist and has to actually earn money by creating, otherwise the government's support will be cut off. so i can see where the association with the factory and work comes from.

also his drastic physical ageing in a short period is making him weary of his getting old. he used to look like he was in his 20s when he was 40. now he looks even older than his real age. this has planted him the sense of insecurity and he seems to be shocked of how he has come to look, he is not used to himself looking old. also he finds his life meaningless and empty. old man with a hole in the head may be showing his self image around this?

i don't fancy myself to be someone's saviour, but this really helps me see more clearly what's going on with him and that i'm involved in his desire to heal himself.

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posted August 26, 2009 07:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fatinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message
Wow Lechien actually I'm surprised too that the interpretation fit so well with the facts! To tell you the truth I'm really an amateur... I studied the work of Carl Jung, a Swiss psychiatrist, but it was always more like a hobby ... but then I used it in a dissertation I did for my master's degree in philosophy, so I was trying to use the principles of dream interpretation I learned from there... So anyway, wow!
I feel really sorry for your friend, and a lot of empathy too, because despite the fact that I have had some success in my life - like doing well at university and so on, I pretty much also went through a very bad time for many years because I was addicted to diet pills and because of sexual abuse I suffered when I was a teenager... I have also had periods where I was totally broke and had no will to do anything or be part of anything. Actually I guess I used the Jungian stuff to help myself but there comes a point where you also need the help of family and friends and maybe even professional help. It's hard to know at what point what kind of help would be best ... I know that in the times when I was doing nothing, had no money, and spent my days feeling extremely sorry for myself, something was happening inside me that was needed, so it's like I had to go through that stage. Eventually your friend will snap out of it ... I know that seems hard to believe but it really is amazing the changes people can go through. All you have to do is to just be there for him when he is ready to ask for help. You'll recognize the call for help from him when it comes ... something indicating he is willing to change. At the moment I think he is stuck in a moment and he can't get out of it, like the U2 song says! Anyway you're really a great person to be giving your friend so much energy and concern. I really do hope with all my heart that things get better ... : )

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posted August 26, 2009 08:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message
wow, Tinker, i am so glad that you're at a better place now.

you say you're amateur, but then people tend to be great at what they are interested in as hobby or self-help. i think your interpretation was really good!

what i have with this friend is pretty eccentric. i'm not like moonstruck in love with him or anything, but feel some strange connection, like siblings (although we seem to be compatible sexually too. ), and it seems mutual, and we always seem to come back to each other. you're right, being there for him is all i can and should do, and i think he is already starting to give me the sign that he needs help, and that he needs it from me. when he started talking about bringing me to his home town to meet his family, which he has never ever done (to let others meet them, even his ex-gf of 7 years), i was quite surprised. and i even feel that the fact he had this dream may probably mean that he is unconsciously starting to realise that there is a way out of his hell, and it is through me. he was too sceptical to trust anyone before. a few months ago he also told me that he had a dream, where i stuck my tongue out to him and left him behind. he acts as if he doesn't want and need anyone, but it's not true... i will watch it, because i should not let it destroy me as well. i hope for the best for both of us of course.

ya, so i can't thank you enough right now. you really helped me with something here...! thanks for encouraging me too, you're sweet!

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posted August 27, 2009 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fatinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message
Aw you're sweet too! Glad to have been of help. Good luck with meeting his family. Anyway, it's totally I blessing I think for both of you that you're so close and get on so well ... that is pretty rare and really precious. Anyway, good luck again and my thoughts are with you both : )

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posted August 28, 2009 07:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message
thank you!!

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