posted October 20, 2012 07:57 AM            

I'd be interested in knowing how people are determining that something is a possible past life dream without the use of psychics or such. I'll use an example dream and hope for some pitching in on the main question of how other people determine that something is actually a past life dream, ok?

It's been a while since I had the dream so I don't remember details, but my POV character or figure was a male in something like late medieval times. A knight or something similar, higher up. It was something to do with French or English regions geographically, and my recollection of the invading forces is their being French, English, "Dutch" or some such?

I'm mainly focusing on the end since that's relevant to my current life. Since he was the POV character it was as good as if I was him. He was either the brother, uncle or other relation of the queen or the "lady of the region involved". A more of an uncle figure to the child or children she had.

The queen or lady had something to do with liaising also with the invading forces, possibly to escape her husband. It had to be kept hush-hush or she'd be judged as a traitor on top of whatever else she already wanted to escape from or to avoid. My POV male was at the very least aware of all that if not further involved.

The invading forces caused the death of the woman the POV male loved and I remember him jumping in the river to cradle her body. After that things stopped mattering to him.

The side of the husband of the lady/queen got to her first and seemingly defeated the invading threat before there was any further help to her. Consequently, she had to make sure any traitorous inclinations wouldn't be found out for the sake of her and her child/ren, which somehow lead to the POV figure being blamed for the invasion liaising.

The point is that due to the loss of his beloved AND his ties to the queen and her children he was ready to stay silent about anything he knew about her involvement in it. He was ready to take the fall and since there seemed to be little to live for anymore after losing his great love he was ready to die for all that to save the queen. Sacrificial and noble, but also a bit of an "emo kid" when it came to his reactions to the body in the river. Understandable as it might have been.

All of which is very fine and noble as I said, but how would I ever be able to discern if such a dream could be a past life one?

I'm asking because I have a tendency to stay silent when accused of something trivial when I haven't done it. Normally it's even a completely idiotic charge IMO, and thus far something where I could easily point out the actual truth if I just felt capable of opening my mouth to do that. Somehow it has just seemed to be things that I personally find so uncouth or beneath me that it gets difficult to open my mouth to correct whoever about their wrongs.

I know I have an occasional tendency to stay silent if accused of things I haven't done, if it's "beneath me" to talk about whatever it is. So any dream can easily just reflect the existing trait. As for that "beneath me"; I'm double Leo, what can I say?

Some people could say I have the tendency because of a past life trauma or situation where I chose to stay silent for a good reason. That depends on their beliefs naturally. I have a good imagination so that's by no means a far stretch for me when it comes to dreamscapes. It's just that his loss was also felt strongly on an emotional level and it was more realistic for a historical setting in a dream?

How do other people determine if it's to do with possible past lives without using psychics and such?

It's about belief in general, but if it's a trait that a person has but which hasn't come up in their life recently before a dream that deals with it... How would you approach something like that?

Perhaps even more importantly, how would you deal with or let go of a trait that may be something "stuck" in your makeup from a trauma like that, IF you choose to believe that the historical dream is an echo of a past?

posted October 22, 2012 04:45 AM            

Wonderful post! I'll give you some of my thoughts as soon as I get the chance.

posted October 23, 2012 04:44 AM            

It is true that historically set dreams are often creations of the mind which are simply reflections of the present state/life and given traits, but some are certainly more than that. As in your dream, there is sometimes a deeper connection, a stronger feeling, an emotional attachment, which to me cannot be explained in any way other than through a past life. Also, a past-life dream will often answer a "why" question about some aspect of the present life or personality which has no perceivable root in the present life.

But again, this has no practical value or meaning, unless you can resonate with it and perhaps use it for your own growth. You have obviously reached a point in your belief system and development where you CAN use past-life information for growth and healing. To me, this is the purpose of such dreams and information.

The "how" of it involves something akin to time travel. Since you believe or know that the man in the dream was/is you, allow yourself to become him, so to speak, in a thoughtful or meditative state. Try to understand how and why he felt and behaved the way he did. When you can feel connected, send him healing energy, light, or whatever it is you feel he needs to heal. You can even send him a message. This will probably seem like an exercise in imagination, but let it be so. Imagine that he is receiving your energy or message. Imagine that he is healing. Send that healing energy back through time and space and imagine that he is becoming healed by it.

If you are successful, the present trait in you which was spawned by "him" will disappear. Sometimes this will happen gradually, sometimes in an instant. You will have freed that part of yourself which was "stuck" in that lifetime or that time/space, thereby making yourself more whole. You will have reincorporated "him" into you.

This is what I believe. What do you think?

posted October 23, 2012 10:12 AM            

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It's obvious you've put some thought into this, and I think your insight is keen. The questions you ask are right on point for the subject, and something I have given much thought and study to over the years. From your questions I can tell that we think similarly on this subject.

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Flattery will get you everywhere... so thanks for the insight comment if nothing else. It's not so much active recent thought as opposed to what just seems more true, even if it lead to more uncertainty at least for the time being with not (yet?) having firmer past life experiences. Again with the usual caveats of "Should you believe in past lives, and if not then that's fine as well".

I actually didn't even expect to be posting on this side until that question or dream came up again.

Yes to the bit about things needing to resonate as well for you to be able to believe that they're true. Cards may have suggested more about some healing side instead of a magic-oriented side for me in my teens, but since I had zero idea why I'd ever want anything to do with healing, doctors or nurses, it seemed like a mere mismatch and nothing to do with me. Never mind teenager questions or interest otherwise though.

I suppose my post or question is a bit of a circular thing in any case with me thinking along the lines you suggest, too. If you don't know yourself, nobody else can tell you. It would however ease things somewhat if there were further clues in what to emphasize for more certainty if in doubt. It's the further clues about how people determine it for themselves that I'm maybe after. Not sure.

I also believe that things happen when they're meant to, or that sooner or later we get wherever we're "supposed to" end up, one way or another. It's just that the waiting until you get further insights or revelations or closer to wherever it is you're heading can get annoying.

The Matrix gets overquoted but "Being the One is just like being in love. No one can tell you you're in love, you just know it. Through and through. Balls to bones" probably applies to things like these just as much. Inner truths and resonating.

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Originally posted by Ra:
As in your dream, there is sometimes a deeper connection, a stronger feeling, an emotional attachment, which to me cannot be explained in any way other than through a past life. Also, a past-life dream will often answer a "why" question about some aspect of the present life or personality which has no perceivable root in the present life.

But again, this has no practical value or meaning, unless you can resonate with it and perhaps use it for your own growth. You have obviously reached a point in your belief system and development where you CAN use past-life information for growth and healing. To me, this is the purpose of such dreams and information.

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Yes, so I'd figure or so I see most things in life. If it's of no use to you on some level, what good is it to you, anyway?

Whether it's hubris or not there's also the expectation that I know a lot more than I consciously know, but since it's of little practical use to me at this particular moment (or I'm not ready to deal with something) I have no idea about all the myriad of things known yet. Some things I probably don't want to know either though should learn how to deal with whatever. *shrug*

I don't need to try to understand why or how he felt, I know or feel it any time I think of the dream. It made perfect sense and wasn't condemnable or anything such to me. Other than maybe from the angle of his perhaps giving up too easily on living his life after losing a love, even if the sacrificial angle provided a suitable way to exit at least. He wasn't suicidal, the circumstances just allowed a way for him to leave that soon after her death.

There's probably tremendous love or compassion for someone like that already in any case, and he understood why the queen/lady had to stay silent, too, his having compassion for them as well. If I start thinking about it now while online it just becomes an über-compassionate weepfest in public places so I'll leave your exercise until later. Thank you for it.

It's possibly also irrelevant if it was me or not, since anyone like that (or just anyone in general) could probably use some healing or light, anyway. It doesn't stop there. I'll see about the particulars later.

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Originally posted by Ra:
This is what I believe. What do you think?

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Probably about the same, if my post above reflects any of my thinking at all. ;P It's helpful in any case and the mental (heart-al?) exercise good to keep in mind for other times as well.

posted October 23, 2012 06:38 PM            

You question things as I do, and as you should. Tangible proof is hard to come by, and sometimes a leap of faith is required. This has always been a challenge for me. I have a scientific, need-the-proof kind of mind, yet I am also highly spiritual in nature, so there is often a crossroads at which I arrive because tangible proof is not always yeilding and belief is hardly ever tangible. I resist the leap of faith because of it, but there comes a point when circumstantial evidence will suffice, but only when added to it is an inner knowing, a feeling of "this is right", do I make the jump.

I have found that, when this jump is made, I am rarely disappointed, and further "evidence", albeit not necessarily from tangible sources but sometimes so, is brought forth, almost mysteriously.

It is all about "when the student is ready, the teacher will appear". (and of course that teacher needn't be an actual person)

In my view, if you are feeling an "uber-compassionate weepfest", there is more to it than meets the eye, or that can be proved tangibly.

I love this conversation.

Thank you for sharing your dream.

posted October 24, 2012 10:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Ra:
We are made from the same cloth, I think.

You question things as I do, and as you should. Tangible proof is hard to come by, and sometimes a leap of faith is required.

... there comes a point when circumstantial evidence will suffice, but only when added to it is an inner knowing, a feeling of "this is right", do I make the jump.

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Since we're having the discussion where we are, I think determining the cloth side is going to take astrology. So far it looks as if we don't need to agree to disagree on this at least. (Always the slight sceptic, ask for proof? )

My personal experiences aren't going to be enough for someone else disinclined to trust others to know what I'm talking about with something, but as I see it the personal or subjective nature of someone's experience is exactly what makes it meaningful to the person in question. They could tell people that the existence of God (or any "fantastical" or mythological being that comes down to belief or faith) has now been scientifically proven and it still wouldn't make the unbelieving world have any kind of a personal relationship with God even so.

I imagine the lack of proof is precisely the point with many things, anyway, and learning trust. Or learning discerning trust, and learning to know what's right for you?

Which is not much here or there with the "How do others determine the (probable) reality of something?" questions. The clues, my kingdom for better clues?

I wish you good luck with more leaps of faith though - and on the other hand give a thumbs up for retaining a thinking mind as well.

To get back to my dream, since I had it and it was felt by me there's obviously something there that I'm processing no matter what it is. The subjective nature or meaningfulness is there, whether a past life or "just" a dream. I know all that, it's just wanting to know more tiny clues which others use to determine which are probable past lives.

I go round in circles since then you also end up reading something about how half the past life experiences of people aren't even theirs instead of just tapping to something archetypal or into Akashic records or some such thing. Can't win.

As for the weepfest thing, I've been on a compassion kick as of late. For an 8th house Pisces Moon I've probably held emotionality in check and barriers up more than most, just so I don't get over-emotional.

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Originally posted by Ra:
It is all about "when the student is ready, the teacher will appear". (and of course that teacher needn't be an actual person)

I love this conversation.

Thank you for sharing your dream.

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I think sometimes it's more so that even if the message or teacher was there, we're not going to take any notice until we're ready. Someone may have read or experienced some things years ago that will open up to them in entirely new ways once they come back to them at the right time. The filters we have keep us from a lot of things. So basically the same thing you said, seen from another angle?

All of which leads to "How do you get ready quicker then?" in entirely other kind of questions.

posted November 03, 2012 12:06 PM            

I question much like you and most of my life didn't actually believe in past lives. I became convinced when people I met who were awfully familiar because I'd dreamed them before meeting them began sharing the dreams they had had of me- and content was the same.

I now identify different feelings around dreams to differentiate the type of dream.

Past live ones usually have an extremely heavy emotional feeling to them, and my personal take is it is unworked through attachments I am working in this life to release.

For me it's taken many years of dreams to begin noting the colours, feelings, content, perspective, symbols of dreams to work out which kinds are which - i.e. how my big self speaks to me in dreamland (or real land if you are of that ilk!).

- C.B.

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Originally posted by Keela:
Pardon me if this is the wrong place for this. Feel free to move to wherever you feel is the most appropriate.

I'd be interested in knowing how people are determining that something is a possible past life dream without the use of psychics or such. I'll use an example dream and hope for some pitching in on the main question of how other people determine that something is actually a past life dream, ok?

It's been a while since I had the dream so I don't remember details, but my POV character or figure was a male in something like late medieval times. A knight or something similar, higher up. It was something to do with French or English regions geographically, and my recollection of the invading forces is their being French, English, "Dutch" or some such?

I'm mainly focusing on the end since that's relevant to my current life. Since he was the POV character it was as good as if I was him. He was either the brother, uncle or other relation of the queen or the "lady of the region involved". A more of an uncle figure to the child or children she had.

The queen or lady had something to do with liaising also with the invading forces, possibly to escape her husband. It had to be kept hush-hush or she'd be judged as a traitor on top of whatever else she already wanted to escape from or to avoid. My POV male was at the very least aware of all that if not further involved.

The invading forces caused the death of the woman the POV male loved and I remember him jumping in the river to cradle her body. After that things stopped mattering to him.

The side of the husband of the lady/queen got to her first and seemingly defeated the invading threat before there was any further help to her. Consequently, she had to make sure any traitorous inclinations wouldn't be found out for the sake of her and her child/ren, which somehow lead to the POV figure being blamed for the invasion liaising.

The point is that due to the loss of his beloved AND his ties to the queen and her children he was ready to stay silent about anything he knew about her involvement in it. He was ready to take the fall and since there seemed to be little to live for anymore after losing his great love he was ready to die for all that to save the queen. Sacrificial and noble, but also a bit of an "emo kid" when it came to his reactions to the body in the river. Understandable as it might have been.

All of which is very fine and noble as I said, but how would I ever be able to discern if such a dream could be a past life one?

I'm asking because I have a tendency to stay silent when accused of something trivial when I haven't done it. Normally it's even a completely idiotic charge IMO, and thus far something where I could easily point out the actual truth if I just felt capable of opening my mouth to do that. Somehow it has just seemed to be things that I personally find so uncouth or beneath me that it gets difficult to open my mouth to correct whoever about their wrongs.

I know I have an occasional tendency to stay silent if accused of things I haven't done, if it's "beneath me" to talk about whatever it is. So any dream can easily just reflect the existing trait. As for that "beneath me"; I'm double Leo, what can I say?

Some people could say I have the tendency because of a past life trauma or situation where I chose to stay silent for a good reason. That depends on their beliefs naturally. I have a good imagination so that's by no means a far stretch for me when it comes to dreamscapes. It's just that his loss was also felt strongly on an emotional level and it was more realistic for a historical setting in a dream?

How do other people determine if it's to do with possible past lives without using psychics and such?

It's about belief in general, but if it's a trait that a person has but which hasn't come up in their life recently before a dream that deals with it... How would you approach something like that?

Perhaps even more importantly, how would you deal with or let go of a trait that may be something "stuck" in your makeup from a trauma like that, IF you choose to believe that the historical dream is an echo of a past?

Thanks for chiming in if you have helpful ideas or clarifications, or even for just reading if you got this far.

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