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PixieJane
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posted December 30, 2022 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One waking up dream sticking with me that felt significant is one I'm going to share. I wish I could remember the wolf's POV better (I want to capitalize Wolf for some reason).

This dream actually took from a show, but I don't think it's that well known here, so I'm going with Archetypes. One was the Wise Old Man. But he was not to be trusted. I think he meant well, but not as wise as he thought, and he lied to me in both forms.

Earlier in the dream, I'm not sure if I was the Wolf, or just observing who felt sympathy for the Wolf. I instinctively saw the Wolf as male, though I don't know why. The Wolf was misunderstood, and came to the Wise Old Man for help (I think sent by me, or maybe the Wolf did on its own, as temporarily me, some other aspect of myself), but the Wise Old Man tried to trap him. The Wolf escaped.

I then became the Fool (a female version, come to think of it, the exact character is based on Little Red Riding Hood!), or gullible kid, and I think I'd sent the Wolf there to start with. The Wise Old Man lied to me about the Wolf being dangerous and gave a different account of what I knew happened (at least on some dream conscious level).

Not sure what to think, I as this kid (and the background was a childhood neighborhood when I was very young), went to look for the Wolf. I found him, too, and we had a friendly conversation with me sympathetic to the Wolf and trying to understand why the Old Wise Man acted as he did, but before it got too far I woke up.

I'm curious what this means.

The wolf was silver, and though a fighter (but not a monster as the Wise Old Man claimed), also misunderstood who wanted to join the "larger pack," but the Wise Old Man would not allow it, even if he had to lie and betray "for the greater good."

The Wise Old Man also had silver hair. While the exact character is on the shady side (a more popular character that kind of parallels him is Dumbledore), his actions in the dream actually surprised my waking self, as that was shady even for him.

I'd be curious to any insights on this. Unfortunately, I just cannot remember anything the Wolf said either to the Wise Old Man or to my Fool self, just a certainty that the Wise Old Man had lied to both the Wolf and my Fool self.

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Lei_Kuei
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posted January 01, 2023 04:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lei_Kuei     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was having fun with Chat-GPT (The Artificial Intelligence App) over the Holidays, and I decided to try its hand at some Dream Interpretation...

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In this dream, the Wise Old Man archetype (represented by the character of Ozpin) appears to be acting in a way that is untrustworthy and deceitful. This may indicate that the dreamer is feeling a sense of betrayal or mistrust towards someone in her waking life who she had previously looked up to or trusted. The appearance of the wolf, who is misunderstood and seeking to join a larger pack, may represent the dreamer's own inner instincts and understanding of a situation that is being dismissed or ignored by the Wise Old Man.

The dreamer's appearance as the Fool (represented by the female version of Little Red Riding Hood) may suggest that she is feeling naive or gullible in trusting the Wise Old Man. However, the fact that she is able to have a friendly conversation with the wolf and try to understand why the Wise Old Man acted as he did suggests that she is seeking to gain a deeper understanding of the situation and to find a way forward.

Overall, this dream may be trying to communicate to the dreamer that she needs to trust her own inner instincts and understanding, rather than blindly trusting authority figures or those who may not have her best interests at heart. It may also be encouraging her to seek out a deeper understanding of a situation that is causing her feelings of mistrust or betrayal.

Exploring such alitle deeper... I would view the wolf in this dream as symbolizing the dreamer's own inner instincts and understanding, which are being dismissed or misunderstood by the Wise Old Man. The wolf's desire to join a larger pack may represent the dreamer's own desire for connection or belonging, which is being thwarted by the Ozpin like character.

And his willingness to lie and betray in order to prevent the wolf from joining the larger pack could be seen as a metaphor for the ways in which authority figures or those in positions of power may seek to maintain their own dominance and control, even if it means manipulating or deceiving others. This behavior can be damaging to individuals who are seeking to trust and rely on these authority figures.

In the real world, this dynamic can be seen in a variety of situations, such as:

(1) A boss or supervisor who lies to their employees in order to maintain their own power or control over the workplace

(2) A government leader who manipulates the truth in order to maintain their own hold on power

(3) A religious leader who uses fear or guilt to control their followers

While the Fool archetype in this dream (represented by the female version of Little Red Riding Hood) as symbolizing the dreamer's own feelings of naivety or gullibility in trusting Ozpin. And the fact that the Ozpin lied to the dreamer about the wolf being dangerous and gave a different account of what happened suggests that he is seeking to manipulate or deceive her in order to maintain his own power and control.

This dynamic can be seen in many real-world situations where authority figures or those in positions of power seek to manipulate or deceive those who are trusting or reliant on them. Some examples might include:

(1) A parent or caregiver who lies to a child in order to control their behavior or protect their own interests

(2) A romantic partner who manipulates or deceives their partner in order to maintain their own sense of control in the relationship

(3) A therapist or counselor who manipulates their client's trust in order to further their own agenda or beliefs

In each of these situations, the authority figure is using their position of trust and power to manipulate or deceive the other person in order to maintain their own sense of control. This can be deeply damaging to the individual who is being manipulated, as it undermines their own sense of agency and trust in themselves and others.

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PixieJane
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posted January 01, 2023 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tell your chat program thanks, that was really good!

I hear people from Vladimir Putin to Elon Musk all worried about this new kind of synthetic intelligence you just gave an example of. Thing is, I trust that synthetic more than I trust Putin or Musk (though granted, Putin and Musk have done things to keep me from trusting them whereas my only experience is currently dream interpretation!)

Bad experiences have caused me to avoid counselors and therapists the way many avoid Covid...even when I do, I'm very cautious. I think I'd trust that chat program more. Well, it's probably bound to make a report to some marketing department, but all our devices are spying on us now anyway, as are purchases (it's scary when a cashier at K-Mart was able to get my actual address when even the DMV didn't know it), so that aspect just doesn't bother me.

Or maybe...your chat program is the Wise Old Man.

Alternately, the Wolf.

Oh brave new world. Though really, it's hard to imagine it being worse than the old one.

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Ayelet
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posted January 02, 2023 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ayelet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well Ley_Kuey, thank you, that was most enlightening. And rather to the point, I'd say. PixieJane, I guess you got your answer. I join you questioning this new world, full of both promise and threat. It will be up to us, eventually.

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