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Topic: Paris Ricin Attack (Headed Off)
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Lost Leo
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posted March 24, 2003 01:53 PM
 
I wouldn't suggest telling me what I do or don't know...My Professors are from both sides of the spectrum. I have ones as Radically Left(Liberal) as I have Radically Right(conservative) AND in between.
Either way all of them present FACTS from every facet of this situation for us to consider. And I listen to them, & take what they say to heart, you know why? 1) Because they have multiple degrees, specializations, & doctorates proving they have made significant study into this field. 2) As part of their accreditation process they have presented research studies & published theses on political science which gives them experience in the field, far superior to any of us. 3) They have proved (regardless of their stance) that the facts they present are meritable; & when they present an argument, it is in a fashion where it is supported by facts & not speculation. So Plz don't tell me what I am to believe, I take my information from the true experts. Experts who look at the BIG picture, across history; as suppossed to one tiny little sliver of the smallest part of a conflict IP: Logged |
pearly
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posted March 24, 2003 02:03 PM
Proxieme  Unfortunately, they don't teach compassion in schools... maybe in the future.IP: Logged |
Carlo
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posted March 24, 2003 02:09 PM
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Lost Leo
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posted March 24, 2003 02:11 PM
Compassion comes true in the form of concern for humanity as a whole, the greater good for the world of human beingsIP: Logged |
Harpyr
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posted March 24, 2003 03:25 PM
The ends cannot justify the means, IMHO.
The ends must be the means.IP: Logged |
Lost Leo
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posted March 24, 2003 05:22 PM
We will see Harpyr, won't we?We will see... IP: Logged |
proxieme
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posted March 24, 2003 05:59 PM
Power without compassion only leads to hapless destruction and misery.
Every tyrant who has ever lived has believed that whatever means they chose to use could be justified by the grand end that they pursued; and to their respective ends have massacred countless numbers, repressed entire peoples, and exploited their own citizens as tools.
Stalin believed that the dream of Soviet state could only be achieved by the means that he employed; an entire generation of Russians were harrassed, sent to work/death camps, or "disappeared" for his end.
The Taliban believed that they were setting up a society pure from secular influences (a state immeasurably noble in their eyes), and their own actions ran away with them.
Mao sought to unify China, clear away the cobwebs of superstition and ethnic prejudice, and secure economic equality for his population; his regime, too, believed any means could justify that end.
And you have the Inquisitioners (purifying the Church), Hitler (giving his people "breathing space"), those who decimated the North American Indian population (grand settlement, manifest destiny as ordained by God), and countless others throughout history who chose to create rivers of blood and tears in their search for their Ideal and their Right.But I have the feeling that no amount of ballying back and forth will serve to convince you.
You're right: we will see, and if we cannot see the repercussions in their entirety in this lifetime, I assure you that we will in another.
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Lost Leo
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posted March 24, 2003 06:39 PM
So Mao Tse Tsung, Stalin, Hitler, are equals of George W. Bush & his administration???The same administration that is advocating strict humanitarian regulations during war, the administration advocating an Iraqi state free of tyranny & oppression, & lastly the same administration that protects your rights to free speech, right to assembly/protest, right to free press, right to be whoever you want to be in life. On the contrary, I believe it is you all the ballying back & forth will never convince. Anti-interventionists may be the majority in this forum, but just cause there's more of you here doesn't mean you are right... meaning I have to be convinced I'm wrong. Is that what you were saying... I need to be convinced I'm wrong??? In the United States there is majority support for our administration and that is what really matters. Because who else in this world is going to protect Americans from the threats of terrorist attacks with nuclear/chemical/biological weapons? IP: Logged |
N_wEvil
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posted March 24, 2003 06:44 PM
...the same administration that said stfu to most restrictions concerning pollution....IP: Logged |
N_wEvil
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posted March 24, 2003 06:45 PM
oh..did ya know you cant have a protest with more than 3 people in it in the UK since the fuel crisis two years ago? IP: Logged |
Lost Leo
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posted March 24, 2003 07:05 PM
Hey, nobody's perfect Evil, gimme me a break...plus that doesn't relate at all to the situation in Iraq IP: Logged |
N_wEvil
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posted March 24, 2003 07:18 PM
*shrugs* everythings interlinked, in my experience.IP: Logged |
proxieme
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posted March 24, 2003 07:31 PM
No, I am not saying that at all.
I am saying that absolutist views coupled with the belief that any means justify a self-defined virtuous end are not unique, and that such has consistently led to consequences divergent from those initially sought.IP: Logged |
Harpyr
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posted March 24, 2003 09:16 PM
I couldn't have said it better, prox.  Your post had an air of desperation to it, LL... Could it be that somewhere in that big Leo heart, tempered somewhere with Pisces compassion like it is, you are having sparks of doubt about maintaining such a fervent defense of war?
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Lost Leo
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posted March 24, 2003 11:42 PM
Nope, I just realize that you can't change some people's minds, no matter how compelling the evidence or argumentEverything is subjective, it's easy to keep arguing from afar. Face-to-face, in a courtroom, or on TV it would have been game-set-match already.
I would have been able to put all of you on the spot, backed you into a corner, then devour your rhetoric until the studio audience was cheering while standing in ovation...  But here in LindaLand, I would like to go with the flow on the "being more civil" to each other; so I won't pick apart anyone's arguments anymore, just defend mine IP: Logged | |
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