posted December 18, 2003 02:35 PM            

"This is a very, very important part of history and we've got to tell it right," said Thomas Kean.

"As you read the report, you're going to have a pretty clear idea what wasn't done and what should have been done," he said. "This was not something that had to happen."

Appointed by the Bush administration, Kean, a former Republican governor of New Jersey, is now pointing fingers inside the administration and laying blame.

"There are people that, if I was doing the job, would certainly not be in the position they were in at that time because they failed. They simply failed," Kean said.

To find out who failed and why, the commission has navigated a political landmine, threatening a subpoena to gain access to the president's top-secret daily briefs. Those documents may shed light on one of the most controversial assertions of the Bush administration – that there was never any thought given to the idea that terrorists might fly an airplane into a building.

"I don't think anybody could have predicted that they would try to use an airplane as a missile, a hijacked airplane as a missile," said national security adviser Condoleeza Rice on May 16, 2002.

"How is it possible we have a national security advisor coming out and saying we had no idea they could use planes as weapons when we had FBI records from 1991 stating that this is a possibility," said Kristen Breitweiser, one of four New Jersey widows who lobbied Congress and the president to appoint the commission.

The widows want to know why various government agencies didn't connect the dots before Sept. 11, such as warnings from FBI offices in Minnesota and Arizona about suspicious student pilots.

"If you were to tell me that two years after the murder of my husband that we wouldn't have one question answered, I wouldn't believe it," Breitweiser said.

Kean admits the commission also has more questions than answers.

Asked whether we should at least know if people sitting in the decision-making spots on that critical day are still in those positions, Kean said, "Yes, the answer is yes. And we will."

Kean promises major revelations in public testimony beginning next month from top officials in the FBI, CIA, Defense Department, National Security Agency and, maybe, President Bush and former President Clinton.

posted December 18, 2003 05:03 PM            

This is nothing of a surprise,my 5 year old niece could have figured that one out. It's all in the fact that the CIA and the FBI got together once more and used a spectacular event to motivate 1/2 of this world into WAR,built upon(in the literal sence)the blood,sweat and tears of the good(not innocent)citizens(and non-citizens) of the United States of America.

I love the fact that Mr.BUSH was SOOOO consistently evasive with Diane Sawyer in they're interview together(a couple of days ago)about the Weapons of Mass Destuction and kept on smokescreening it with the capture of Saddam!

If anybody missed it,here's the transcript of that interview,NOTE:It's on page two:
Fuller Sheet!

Other than that,I've known the possible conspiracies that were held against this country and the countries of our allies,so why does the CIA and the FBI act like they're SO baffled,would it interest anybody to know that THEY have known of a group of Muslum Extremists that THEY have BEEN following around even before the Veit Nam Era has even started,whether or not they either were affiliated with AL-QUADA or is the beginning formulation of the terrorist group that held the name:BLACK SEPTEMBER??!!

I can't believe that when people observe 9/11,that the word "coup d'état" doesn't come to mind!

Ask Allen Welsh Dulles after you die,he seems to know about those things!

posted December 18, 2003 11:50 PM            

9/11 Chair: There's No Evidence to Blame Clinton or Bush Teams

posted December 19, 2003 12:03 AM            

There is a report that few people know exists. It's known as the Gore report but it's really the White House Commission on Aviation Safety and Security report from February 1997.

It's quite lengthy but the nuggets are to be found in Chapter 3 and the following paragraphs
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/05.18B.Gore.Report.htm

Take note that this report was final in February 1997 and also note that the recommendations were not implemented by Bill Clinton though it laid around gathering dust for almost the last 4 years of the Clinton Presidency.

A very different opinion if someone really wants to point fingers.

posted December 19, 2003 03:08 PM            

In the ways that really count, I don't see much difference between these two anyway. Honestly, a part of me is more concerned about what may happen to this country if a Democrat is elected next year.

Anyway, I read that Newsmax article. I wish I'd gotten to see that episode of Nightline. Sounds like one of two things here, to me.
A) The CBS article took what he said out of context in order to slant their article towards potential implication of high ranking figures in the admin.
Though this would surprise me somewhat, it's quite possible.
B) Kean is backpedalling abit from his initial statements due to being in the midst of a 'political landmine' area. No doubt that is a nerve wracking place to be.
Maybe it's a little bit of both..

He admitted that the commission has more questions than answers at this point. Not surprising. On Nightline he did say that they don't yet have evidence of major errors at the highest levels, and he also said this,

quote:

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.. any conclusions about the performance of high-level officials "will be reached when we are finished with our job, not now."

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So we'll just have to wait and see what turns up I suppose.

One of the questions I, along with many many other people also asking it, still haven't gotten a satisfactory answer to yet is this:

quote:

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"Andrews Air Force Base is a huge military installation just 10 miles from the Pentagon. On 11 September there were two entire squadrons of combat-ready fighter jets at Andrews. Their job was to protect the skies over Washington D.C. They failed to do their job. Despite over one hour's advance warning of a terrorist attack in progress, not a single Andrews fighter tried to protect the city. The FAA, NORAD and the military have cooperative procedures by which fighter jets automatically intercept commercial aircraft under emergency conditions. These procedures were not followed." If the FAA is required by law to notify the US government of a reported hijacking, as they did before the first hit at the WTC, why then, with well over half and hour before the attack on the pentagon, were no preventive military actions taken by Andrews Air Force Base?

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unasweredquestions.org

posted December 22, 2003 03:34 PM            

Thank you Annie,your a big help!

posted December 22, 2003 04:12 PM            

Anyone who believes differently has a great predisposition to political conspiracies and fantasy---in my opinion, coupled together with an absolute hatred of the President. An unhealthy predisposition, I might add that leaves one open to believe any amount of BS as long as it tars someone they disagree with politically.

Merry Christmas anyway! Hehe stick close to your computers on Christmas Eve because Santa is delivering your presents over the Internet this year. Just kidding!

posted December 22, 2003 04:18 PM            

OR MAYBE,the CIA figured that it wouldn't really matter to tell the President about the fact that their might be an attack on US soil,because he would of seen this a business opportunity!

Otherwise,I really don't believe you!

posted December 22, 2003 04:54 PM            

How about this. Can you believe this?

NASA debris cleanup crew in New Mexico
discover Roswell aliens

By WILLIAM BEVILL
02/18/03 SPACE CENTER, Houston- In their search for debris from the Columbia flight crash two weeks ago, an investigative team has instead found the long-lost space alien crash from Roswell. The search for the NASA debris was all but abandoned upon news of the exciting find. During a clean-up crew search of the barren deserts of New Mexico, the amazing discovery was made when a strange metallic fin was uncovered near the Sandia Mountains. Although not quite near Roswell, the remains were concluded to be space alien in origin. "It glows real funny, kind of this weird aluminum foil," said Adm. Robert T. Hanson, who was leading the NASA investigation.

Investigators have uncovered the remains of
an alien craft during a search for
the NASA shuttle The rest of the space ship was soon found near the fin. It is described as a round silver disk about 30 feet in diameter, with a small bubble top where the alien apparently piloted the craft. Six rocket launchers were found attached to the side, perhaps for alien mining. "We know there are real aliens from outer space who could fly some 50 years ago!" said Dick Rogers, a spokesman for the New Mexico Department of Public Safety. Within hours of locating the space craft, jubilated NASA clean-up crews chattered excitedly and uncovered a manhole on the craft. They were able to open the hatch using several blowtoches and discovered a living, breathing alien lifeform inside. The creature, a 5 foot high green lizard-type being, was delighted to finally be freed. The alien claimed its name was "Quasar" from the "Nebula" system of outer space and had been waiting since 1947 for someone to let it out. Quasar further was upset that it took so long for it to be discovered and lambasted the rescue crews, who wrapped a towel around it and fed it. "We gave it some Campbells Chicken Soup, which Quasar recognized as burned animal carcass remains bathed in flavored broth. One of our men nicknamed the being 'Chuckie' and everyone has taken quite a liking to it," said Chief of Security of Operations Harold Dickson. "It's pretty funny, instead of them serving man, it's our turn to serve them."With jubilee, "Chuckie" expressed joy and delight to be among actual life forms after such a long time. In very weak English, which Chuckie alertly picked up from conversations with the military, he said he would be honored to represent the world as the first extraterrestial life form on earth. President Bush was alerted to the friendly alien's presence, and he immediately flew out to see Chuckie and the Roswell aircraft. Bush said,"This marks a delightful moment in the history of humanity, the first encounter we have had with intergalatic space alien thingies. This is so cool. I've seen these things in that Tim Burton movie. We welcome the space aliens with open arms, even though we only have two of them and not six!" After Bush left, military security tortured and burned "Chuckie" and then irradiated the area with acid until all traces of the space craft were succesfully eliminated.

posted December 22, 2003 05:08 PM            

SPACE ALIEN BACKS BUSH FOR PRESIDENT! WASHINGTON

-- In a surprise move that has astonished political pundits, the space alien that endorsed Bill Clinton in 1992 has switched party allegiance and is backing GOP Presidential contender George W. Bush!

ALIEN PAVES ROAD TO WHITE HOUSE
for Governor Bush, because in past elections, the alien endorsement has been a critical factor -- perhaps the deciding factor!

The political stunner came after a two-hour, hush-hush meeting in a Washington hotel suite, during which the extraterrestrial quizzed Texas Governor Bush on his knowledge of international affairs, basic astronomy and plans for the future before agreeing to throw his weight behind the candidate, according to respected UFO investigator Dennis Baleri. "This decision comes as a tremendous blow to Vice President Al Gore, who naturally assumed he would inherit the alien's support from his predecessor, Bill Clinton," said Baleri, who has been studying the influence of extraterrestrials on U.S. politics for two decades. "And it is a tremendous coup for Governor Bush because in past elections, the alien endorsement has been a critical factor -- perhaps even the deciding factor." The news has sent shockwaves through Washington and many political insiders from both parties initially expressed skepticism about Baleri's report. But the researcher has come forward with a photo leaked to him from the Bush camp that clearly shows George W. and the alien together. Ironically, this same alien's insensitive treatment of the Republican candidate's father, President George H. Bush, once left the Bush family embittered and mistrustful. As Weekly World News and other media reported in April 1991, the alien held a secret summit with the senior Bush at Camp David. At the time, the historic, first-of-its-kind meeting was seen as a signal that the strange visitor planned to support the President's re-election bid. But within a few short months, the alien was photo-graphed in a chummy meeting with maverick billionaire and third-party candidate Ross Perot. Finally, the fickle space visitor pulled the rug out from under both leaders and backed Democrat Bill Clinton, as reported by the NEWS in our August 11, 1992, issue. Clinton publicly crowed about the endorsement, telling the press, "I'm glad he saw through Bush and Perot." Incumbent President Bush was reportedly disappointed at the turnaround. At that time, sources close to Bush said he felt betrayed. That November, of course, Clinton narrowly defeated his Republican rival -- and many political analysts believe that the alien endorsement is what put the Arkansas Governor over the top. "The alien appears to intervene in very close elections, suggesting that the fate of our society is vital to his mysterious extraterrestrial civilization," said Baleri. "My research indicates that his planet also played a behind-the-scenes role in the photo-finish elections of 1960 and 1968. "The upcoming contest between the younger Bush and Al Gore looks like it's going to be another such case, decided by just a few percentage points." Given the alien's track record, George W. Bush had serious misgivings when aides told him that the nameless extraterrestrial wanted an audience with him on April 8 -- especially when Bush learned the visitor planned to question him on his knowledge of world affairs and space science. "It sounded like some kind of set-up," an aide to Bush told Washington-based Baleri. "But Governor Bush knew it was too big an opportunity to pass up, so he started cramming like crazy." Bush hit the books for days, boning up on geography, current affairs and astronomy. Then on the evening of April 8, he met with the pale, hairless being at an undisclosed D.C. location. "The Governor was sweating bullets when he went into that meeting and the alien certainly didn't go easy on him," said the aide. "He was peppered with some pretty tough questions, from the heads of state of tiny countries to the approximate number of stars in the Milky Way. "But the Governor's preparation paid off -- he got through the 'job interview' with flying colors." Although the other matters discussed at the meeting remain a closely guarded secret, it is known that the wide-ranging talk covered Bush's plans for improving education as well as possible trade between the alien's home world and our own. The alien also told the candidate he was switching parties because he was unhappy about "moral failures" in the White House -- a possible reference to the Monica Lewinsky sex scandal. Said Baleri, "At the end of the meeting, the alien shook hands with Governor Bush in a very friendly manner and told him, 'You have my support. I am behind you 100 percent.'" The Gore campaign has as yet issued no formal reaction to the endorsement, but the Vice President is said to be "confused and disappointed" by the alien's decision. By contrast, Bush campaign insiders say their candidate is walking on air. "Governor Bush is ecstatic," said his aide. "He's now convinced that he'll be a shoo-in this November."

He's makin a list and checkin it twice

posted December 22, 2003 05:25 PM            

I'm glad that their are people like you (in the world)that can find humor in even the most serious matters of life. Just tells me (in general) that you DON'T really care!

I think your nothing more then a smart alec,self-absorbed,cunning lier,that's only out for his own benefit and whims!

I want to thank you however,for pointing out that negotiations,discussions and deep talk,doesn't mean anything in your world and the people that are like you! Only force and threats is the only way to go in life! YOUR THE REAL VAMPIRE IN THIS WORLD,FEEDING ON EVERYBODY ELSE'S DESPAIR AND BUILDING YOUR LIFE UPON IT!

For an old man,you sure need to grow up!

posted December 22, 2003 05:42 PM              

I can understand feeling goaded and disagreeing with someone, but insulting someone outright is not called for. Calling someone a "liar" and a "vampire", among other things, does not prove a point. It is cruel and hurtful. Furthermore, it is a violation of the board's policy. As mentioned many times, personal attacks are not tolerated here. We are here to discuss, not hurl insults.

posted December 22, 2003 10:06 PM            

quote:

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"Andrews Air Force Base is a huge military installation just 10 miles from the Pentagon. On 11 September there were two entire squadrons of combat-ready fighter jets at Andrews. Their job was to protect the skies over Washington D.C. They failed to do their job. Despite over one hour's advance warning of a terrorist attack in progress, not a single Andrews fighter tried to protect the city. The FAA, NORAD and the military have cooperative procedures by which fighter jets automatically intercept commercial aircraft under emergency conditions. These procedures were not followed." If the FAA is required by law to notify the US government of a reported hijacking, as they did before the first hit at the WTC, why then, with well over half and hour before the attack on the pentagon, were no preventive military actions taken by Andrews Air Force Base?

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posted December 24, 2003 01:04 AM            

There is a great deal of confusion and even disagreement as to the exact sequence of events and timing on the 9/11 attack and the times of responses.

There are some general misconceptions in certain areas too.

I have seen suggestions that the fighters scrambled from Otis AFB should have been able to intercept the aircraft that struck the Twin Towers quoting their top speed. Their top speed cannot be calculated directly into the equation because they don't fly at top speed from the moment of scramble to their destination. First, the pilots were not sitting in the fighters with the engines fired up and the plane flight checked. Second, there is clearance from the tower that must be obtained. Third, the planes are taxied to the runway assigned by the tower. Forth, the engines are run up and the plane starts rolling down the runway, takes off, climbs to altitude and increases speed to whatever is called for. During all this time, the fighter is not flying at 1800 mph so it cannot be said that it's 190 miles between the base and the destination and the plane should have been able to cover that distance in X minutes at 1800 mph. There were also a lot of other aircraft in the sky between Otis and NY that probably required some maneuvering around, above or below and there are very strict rules to make sure there are no close misses in the air. Let's not forget that at that time, no one knew they were going to fly those planes into the Twin Towers.

It's a fact, that not all fighters in a given section of the country are assigned to fly air combat patrol for Norad. In fact very few are on call at any given time. I have heard all the comments about there being X number of fighters assigned to different air bases but only a few are assigned to Norad duty. The rest may be flight ready, meaning they are serviced and flyable. That doesn't mean they are armed or even fueled. It also doesn't mean the pilots are on the base, suited up and just sitting in the ready room waiting for the siren to go off. Far from it. They may be in training somewhere else, off the base, at lunch in town or a thousand other places. It also doesn't mean the flight crew is standing around the fighter, working on it or that they are even on the base. Only those planes assigned to combat air patrol for Norad would be ready, their pilots ready and the flight crews ready to get them into the air on short notice.

There were 3 fighters from Andrews AFB flying a training mission in North Carolina at the time of the emergency. At the time of the 1st notice to Norad from the FAA, the problem appeared to be in the corridor between Massachusetts and New York and fighters were scrambled from Otis AFB.

I ran a timeline on the sequence of events about 18 months ago from the news accounts of the events and timing of the commercial flights taking off, going off course, turning off the transponders and failing to answer the air traffic controllers. For some reason, from the first sign of a hijack, it took the FAA over 20 minutes to contact Norad, by phone I might add. From 8:20am until 8:43am. The confusion over what was happening may account for some of the time lag and the unknown intentions of the hijackers and after the 1st plane struck the Tower, there must have been a general state of utter confusion, panic and all the other emotions you could expect from such an event. People don't always do exactly what they are trained to do. The FAA is a civilian service organization and not a military one.

I disagree there were 2 complete squadrons of fighters at Andrews assigned that day to fly combat air patrol for Norad. There were 2 squadrons of fighters there but that's all about that statement that is true.

But to get to the question you really want answered, was there a conspiracy to allow the destruction of the Twin Towers, the Pentagon, and the White House, you need to be able to answer these questions.

Let's start with the air traffic controllers. How many would have to be involved in the conspiracy or be capable of being silenced, preventing them from going to the press and spilling the beans. These are not military personnel and cannot simply be ordered to keep their mouths shut by commanding officers. Do you really think all the air traffic controllers and their superiors at 2 different major airports were involved because that's just about what it would take. Every controller in both airports knew what was happening and any strange activity or failure to react correctly would be noted, both by other controllers and their superior on duty at the time. That's a lot of people. What's the chance they would all keep their mouths shut? I would say almost no chance at all given the destruction that ensued. These are all Americans and some of them would be screaming it from the rooftops.

How about Norad. There is a similar problem there too for those putting forth a conspiracy theory. Is there not even one loyal American that would tell whoever told them to not report what they had observed to stuff it and go straight to the Judge Advocate General and/or the American press? This is so far fetched as to be unbelievable. It would also be obvious that something was wrong with the response to those used to dealing with emergencies on a daily basis and every unaccounted for blip on the radar is just such an emergency for Norad personnel. They move heaven and earth to identify it so it can be discounted as a threat. So, for there to be a conspiracy, we've now involved a lot more people who must be silenced in some way.

Let's take a look at the AFB personnel, officers and enlisted. There are many people involved in scheduling training, service of aircraft, assigning the different missions for the day etc. It's been suggested they were told to stand down and coming from a superior officer, that order would be obeyed---temporarily. But if that stand down order caused the destruction of the towers and loss of life, or was not consistent with the mission of the squadron, it would be deemed an improper order. To believe this happened, you must believe there is not one officer and or enlisted man/woman on those bases who took their oath of service seriously or else were involved directly in the conspiracy. We've now enlarged this so called conspiracy enormously. It is simply unbelievable that men/women sworn to risk their lives to protect the country and uphold the Constitution of the US would cow to anyone. More likely, they would turn on the conspirators and kill them when they saw the damage. At the very least, they also would go to the Judge Advocate General with the details and then the press if there was no action on their compliant. For officers, it would probably mean resigning their commissions to go outside the normal chain of command but I have no doubt that's exactly what many of them would do.

I'm going to put this as gently and simply as I can Harpyr. For anyone who believes the men and women of the United States military are corrupt to the point that large numbers of them put their careers ahead of their country in a national emergency, I would say I feel very sorry for them.

jwhop

posted December 24, 2003 08:46 AM            

Disobeying a direct order in time of war can carry a penalty up to and including a death sentence.

posted January 05, 2004 10:32 PM              

Enslave your girls and women, harbor anti-U.S. terrorists, destroy every vestige of civilization in your homeland, and the Bush administration will embrace you. All that matters is that you line up as an ally in the drug war, the only international cause that this nation still takes seriously.

That's the message sent with the recent gift of $43 million to the Taliban rulers of Afghanistan, the most virulent anti-American violators of human rights in the world today. The gift, announced last Thursday by Secretary of State Colin Powell, in addition to other recent aid, makes the U.S. the main sponsor of the Taliban and rewards that "rogue regime" for declaring that opium growing is against the will of God. So, too, by the Taliban's estimation, are most human activities, but it's the ban on drugs that catches this administration's attention.

Never mind that Osama bin Laden still operates the leading anti-American terror operation from his base in Afghanistan, from which, among other crimes, he launched two bloody attacks on American embassies in Africa in 1998.

Sadly, the Bush administration is cozying up to the Taliban regime at a time when the United Nations, at U.S. insistence, imposes sanctions on Afghanistan because the Kabul government will not turn over Bin Laden.

FEMA Spokesman Tom Kennedy Tells Dan Rather that FEMA Arived in NYC the Night Before the Attack

Here's more proof that those in control of the U.S. government had prior knowledge of the 9/11 attacks and knowingly allowed them to happen. In remarks made by Tom Kennedy, a spokesman for the Federal Emergency Management Agency's (FEMA) "National Urban Search and Rescue Team" during an interview on national TV with CBS News anchor Dan Rather, Mr. Kennedy let slip a frightening truth: FEMA sent the Urban Search and Rescue Team to New York City the night before the attacks occurred! Mr. Kennedy tells Dan Rather, "We're currently one of the first teams that was deployed to support the City of New York in this disaster. We arrived on late Monday night [Ed. note: September 10] and went right into action on Tuesday morning" [Ed. note: September 11]. Below you can listen to an audio clip of this interview:
http://www.halturnershow.com/FEMA.htm

FBI Agents Coming Foward Revealing U.S. Government's Prior Knowledge and Complicity in the 9/11 Attacks

David Schippers, Chief Council for the House Judiciary Committee and head prosecutor responsible conducting the impeachment against former President Clinton, has now gone public revealing that months ago many FBI agents had come to him informing him about the attacks which have now come to pass. These agents knew the names of the hijackers, the targets of their attacks, the proposed dates, and the sources of the terrorists' funding, etc., many months in advance of the 9/11 attacks. The FBI command pulled them off of their investigations into these terrorists and threatened them with the National Security Act that if they talked about any of the information pertaining to their investigations that they would be prosecuted. So many of them sought the council of Mr. Schippers wanting to get somebody in the U.S. government to take action against these terrorists before their plan could be implemented. Mr. Schippers talked to many Congressmen and Senators, and tried to get a hold of Att. Gen. John Ashcroft, all only to get the run-around. Mr. Schippers is now legally representing at least ten (!) of these FBI agents in a suit against the U.S. government in an attempt to subpoena their testimony (where they can then legally tell what they know and legally get it on record). To hear Mr. Schippers talk about this bombshell, please listen to part 7 and 9 of the October 10th a.m. edition of The Alex Jones Show below:
http://arc2.m2ktalk.com/alexam/101001.ram

Bush's interesting day 9/11... http://www.cooperativeresearch.net/timeline/main/essayaninterestingday.html

posted January 06, 2004 11:01 AM              

Jwhop, I'm going to say this as gently as I can. Your blind faith in the men who hold power is charming and sweet and innocent. It is also dangerous. Your mind is sharp. I respect it. You should be up there in the watchtower asking questions - not down here with the sheep accepting propaganda. Those who love this country must be ever vigilant. It's great Light attracts much darkness. Both from without and within.

Concerning that poll given the US marines. Both my brother-in-law and his brother are marines. True believers but not naive. They know full well the nature of the men for whom they work. They fight for their brother marines and for their country. I couldn't resist telling them the results. They both agreed that it was the 20% percent who claimed they would NOT open fire on unarmed Americans who were telling their superiors what they thought they wanted to hear. Sadly, not the other way around. As Jwhop said, the punishment is severe. And the indoctrination is deep. It must be. As my dear brother-in-law says, "you can't send p#ssies out to the battlefield".

posted January 07, 2004 04:23 AM              

He's a puppet but gets to take all the slack for the things his masters do. *shrug*

There's something rotten in the state of Denmark. I think it has the smell of Oil...Iraq, anyone?

posted January 08, 2004 12:56 AM              

IMO it no longer matters why the US went to war; the important thing is to get Iraq rebuilt. I would love to let the UN take over.
Re 9/11, of course the attacks were preventable. At many points in the sequnce of events there was a point where someone could have influenced the outcome. But I think we'd rather prevent the next attack then remember the last one.