posted January 22, 2004 04:08 PM              

it sounds just like the massive conspiracy jwhop says has never been detected....

not that it wasnt detected, just that the so-called "liberal media" never gave it much time....

of course like i said "plausible deniability" is the key to avoiding prosecution, these men dont do ANYTHING without plausible deniability...thats what they get guys like Oliver North and John Poindexter for....

posted January 23, 2004 05:44 AM            

You said, "You may have the opinion there isn't one honest, loyal American in government in a high position but I don't share your view. Neither do I share your view they are all corrupt and would go along just to keep their jobs."

Ummm, I do not believe I said that. In fact, in re-reading my posts, it is clear that I did not say that. Where did you read that?

I would say that most of those in government believe they are doing the right thing. They are there to serve the country, the people, or themselves, and not some devious higher authority.

The few who have stumbled upon some aspect of the truth, whether knowingly or unknowingly, have either been personally destroyed, financially destroyed, or physically destroyed - that is, if they do not heed the warnings that they invariably get. Those who drop the bomb, or plan to, drop dead. That is a pretty good deterrent for any future would-be bomb dropper.

So, "Any one of the entities I named could blow the whistle on the criminal conspiracy and it would take their cooperation to keep it under wraps." The key word in that sentence is could ... but would they ... would you? Before you say yes, one question - do you have a family? I am sure you would like to keep it that way.

Oh, and I said nothing about a criminal conspiracy either. There is nothing criminal about what I am talking about - it is all perfectly legal, it has to be in order to work.

We seem to have been diverted from the original topic ... how appropriate. I mean, 9/11 was just that, a diversion, albeit of huge proportions, but then, huge "conspiracies" need huge diversions!

Can someone show me proof that bin Laden was behind this? And I mean something more than a video and some guy claiming something. If that were proof, then there would be no doubt about the existence of UFOs, Big Foot, the Loch Ness Monster, or pterodactyls in New Mexico. And I might even believe that Hitlery, I mean Hillary, is a great person!

I love America. People seem to label me a far-right conservative on most issues. I have a great deal of respect for the original Constitution. But above all, I seek the truth, no matter where it leads, and no matter how many of my beliefs it destroys. I would much rather NOT believe in this "conspiracy".

posted January 23, 2004 11:27 AM              

the "government" brought down bcci "along" with a ny prosecutor??!!

sounds more to me like it was this ny da who wouldnt quit sticking his nose into bcci til the "government" had no choice.....

BCCI and Law Enforcement - District Attorney of New York

"In going after BCCI, Morgenthau's office quickly found that in addition to fighting off the bank, it would receive resistance from almost every other institution or entity connected to BCCI, including at various times, BCCI's multitude of prominent and politically well-connected lawyers, BCCI's accountants, BCCI's shareholders, the Bank of England, the British Serious Fraud Office, and the U.S. Department of Justice. Each, while professing to cooperate with the District Attorney, in fact withheld information from the District Attorney and in some cases, impede, delay, or obstruct his inquiry for months. Ultimately, Morgenthau proved BCCI's criminality, not because of information or cooperation provided by other government agencies -- with the key exception of the Federal Reserve, there was almost none -- but because BCCI had left a trail of evidence of wrongdoing there for anyone with the tenacity to pursue it."

"don't attempt to implicate the US government in that enterprise"??!!
I dont have to , just read the report....all of it...

BCCI, THE CIA AND FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE

"even when the CIA knew that BCCI was as an institution a fundamentally corrupt criminal enterprise, it used both BCCI and First American, BCCI's secretly held U.S. subsidiary, for CIA operations. In the latter case, some First American officials actually knew of this use"

"The professed lack of knowledge by the CIA about the activities of its foreign intelligence liaisons and operatives who were BCCI's major shareholders and customers is perplexing and disturbing. The relationships between the CIA and Adham and Khalil were, according to public accounts,
among the most important intelligence relationships the United States has had in Saudi Arabia over a quarter of a century. Similarly, Khashoggi and Ghorbanifar performed a central role for the U.S. government in connection with the Iran/Contra affair in operations that involved the direct participation of CIA personnel."

and yes this is also connected to Osama Bin Laden, the leader of the Mujaheddin ,and brother of Salem Bin Laden who died in a plane crash in (of all places)...MIDLAND TEXAS

"BCCI's role in assisting the U.S. to fund the Mujaheddin guerrillas fighting the Soviet occupation is drawing increasing attention. The bank's role began to surface in the mid-1980's when stories appeared in the New York Times showing how American security operatives used Oman as a staging
post for Arab funds. This was confirmed in the Wall Street Journal of 23 October 1991 which quotes a member of the late General Zia's cabinet as saying 'It was Arab money that was pouring through BCCI.' The Bank which carried the money on from Oman to Pakistan and into Afghanistan was National Bank of Oman, where BCCI owned 29%"

jwhop...are you suggesting that all this is ancient history with no impact on current events? I suppose you must think that after decades of covert criminal activities all these terrorists,drug dealers,arms dealers and corrupt politicians just packed up, went home and led virtuous lives just because bcci (finally) got shut down?

Introduction and Summary of Investigation

"BCCI cannot be taken as an isolated example of a rogue bank, but a case study of the vulnerability of the world to international crime on a global scope that is beyond the current ability of governments to control. Its multi-billion dollar collapse is merely the latest in a series of international financial scandals that have bedeviled international banking this century. Its techniques and its associations with government officials, intelligence agencies, and arms traffickers, were neither new nor unique"

of course one would think that if the conspiracy was this widespread then even the senate intelligence committee would be "in on it"
but if that were the case then one would assume that the author of this document should have recieved massive political "favors" for his role in
glossing over and burying the most damning evidence connecting prominent u.s. politicians to bcci.....
but heck...I've never even heard of this John Kerry fellow...have you?