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Randall
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posted May 17, 2004 09:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Carry on.

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"Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark

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posted May 17, 2004 10:20 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Libra Sparkle...*sigh*
You must think I'm a total idiot! I can't believe you actually thought that I was saying Karla Faye Tucker was "out of her mind" from smoking marijuana and killing two people that night....sheeeses!

You said....

"I hate to beat a dead horse, but Rainbow, are you seriously suggesting Karla Faye Tucker murdered two people because she used marijauana?"


The answer is NO! Raine was correct in her response to that question...in fact, "right as rain."

Karla was an addict. Addicts are "sick" people...so she was sick...

She started on marijuana at 8, was using heroine at 11, cocaine at 13, and trained by her mother as a prostitute at 14...not exactly the best background for producing a cheerleader or a Miss America..

During her formative years this child had no guidance or discipline....something that every child is entitled to. (she was not nutured...she just grew!)

When one is on drugs, there is never any room for clear thinking...and even those times when drugs are not available, withdrawal hell, is also not condusive to clear thinking...all they want is MORE DRUGS to make it better...*sigh*

Karla had been on a solid three day binge of drink and drugs just prior to the murder. And tho I'm not a professional, I think it would be fair to draw the conclusion that she was "not in her right mind" when she did it.

She was a Scorpio with Mars conjunct her Sun (and this is not an excuse, but an observation), so she was intense in her desire to get revenge on the guy who beat up her friend, altho the original intention was to only steal his motorcycle...

The murder was brutal! It was horrific! The Karla of that time was indeed an evil murderess....but she had 14 years to clear the drugs from her system, start thinking clearly, and find a spiritual life.

...and the low scorpio became an EAGLE. I saw her many times on TV, and it was so obvious that she was really a changed person..but her death, was deemed necessary by those who were gung ho to see that punishment was carried out...

That she was rehabilitated and was finally doing good for those in the prison, who felt helpless and hopeless, cut no mustard with those who were hell bent on punishment.

God forbid that He should not forgive us our sins....for the whole damn bunch of us would be GOING STRAIGHT TO HELL! (but then God has a heart )

Rainbow

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Rainbow~
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posted May 17, 2004 10:26 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
(I moved the above post over here, lest it get lost at the bottom of the first troublesome thread...now closed)

Love,
Rainbow

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pixelpixie
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posted May 17, 2004 10:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*shudders* Hard not to alienate anyone, with our diverse scattering of planets all over, it is easy to overlap, and I know it was not your intention....
My Sun and Mars are conjunct in Scorpio. *shudders* I could NEVER hurt anyone. I don't care how impassioned I get. My stomach churns at the thought.
Just wanted to say that.

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posted May 17, 2004 10:44 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Isis....you said...

It called balance. Perhaps you (Raine and Rainbow) would do well to embrace the masculine within yourselves, which seems woefully out of balance. One half cannot save the world. It takes a perfect melding of the two

It amazes me how some people here jump to conclusions without being thorough about what they are reading...

If you'll go back over that other(horrific pictures) thread thoroughly and read everything I posted...you'll not find me saying anything that should warrent that kind of comment from you. *sigh*

Raine and I were commenting and discussing the feminine element and how it has been quashed in the past...but for god's sake you make it sound like I'm the ringleader of a band of Amazons ready to do away with the male population! HEAVEN FORBID! Geese....I kinda like the other sex...whatever would we do without them????

Truly Isis...I read things, I think about things, I'm open minded and don't draw immediate conclusions about any thing new that is presented to me...and just because I discuss something, does not mean I'm "endorsing" it...

It seems logical to me, and has for some time, that perfect feminine and masculine balance is what is necessary for harmony. But sadly the female has been "put in second place" so to speak, for far too long...when she is revered as she rightly ought to be, THEN we will have that balance...it has been pretty weighty on the masculine side for some time now...

Love,
Rainbow

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posted May 17, 2004 10:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pixilpixie...I too have Mars in Scorpio with Scorpio Rising...and no way could I harm anyone, either.....

(as a child I once went into the house crying when a playmate stepped on a cricket and killed it..kinda like Linda felt when she saw the ants being killed..*sigh*)

However, I believe that when someone is drugged to the point that she was, it's almost as tho another entity has taken over..one very evil...with no conscience, or sense of right or wrong...

My observation was...that she was a Scorpio....and Scorpios can be INTENSE about what they do....be it good or bad....

Love,
Rainbow

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posted May 17, 2004 11:01 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"i think rainbow was trying to point out that her life [Karla Faye Tucker] since early youth had been one where circumstances caused her to find relief in drugs (you know, like rush limbaugh did)"

Raine...I just saw this (from the other thread)...tee hee

Love,
Rainbow

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posted May 17, 2004 11:47 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Pid......you spoke of rewriting history in reference to American Indians.....

Methinks it's about time history was rewritten....Hell, we've been the "bad guys" for so long, that I used to have nightmares about Indians coming after me, after watching all those movies showing the scalping, murdering Indians and all the horrible things they did to the "innocent" white people...*sigh*..I kid you not! I had real nightmares about it...and in my dreams I was always trying to convince them not to harm me, cuz I was one of 'em...I was convinced that "Indians" were bad...and "white people" were good....

I was too young then to be aware of how the Europeans came over here and took our land because "might is right!" I was not aware of the trail of tears then, and how President Jackson and company broke promises and forced Indians west on the shameless trail of tears, where so many of the..young, old, and sick....died!

I'm not ashamed to tell you that I respect our ancestors....cuz we've survived in spite of efforts to eradicate us. It was Jackson who said, "The only good Indian, is a dead Indian." Sounds about as brilliant as something "dubya" would say...*sigh*

....and I don't get this...You daid "I only have a problem, and this was not directed to you, with the glamorization of our past and history."

Glamorization?

You must be pretty young!

I certainly don't remember any glamorizing?

when I was a child my dad could not be served a beer in a bar....cuz he was an Indian....He was asked to leave because they would not serve him IN THE LAND WHERE HE WAS BORN AND RAISED!!!

I was once stood up by a boy in high school (a boy that I really had a crush on, and was so happy that he had asked me out), cuz his dad didn't want him associating with an Indian. I cried when he didn't show up for that date....

I hardly think of these experiences as being "glamorous." In fact they were quite humilitating experiences, for us "Indians."

You also said, "I think it is our duty as humans to work to try to stop the oppression of others, even if it means justifiable war."

I certainly agree with you that people should not be oppressed (as ours were in the past, and still are, to some extent!) .... But justifiable war? I think the only time war is justifiable is when the other guy attacks you first...always have....always will....

(and I don't believe it was saddam who flew into our towers...never have...never will...)

Just my two cents...(Randall you said to carry on and boy that's what I did )

Rainbow

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lioneye68
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posted May 18, 2004 01:31 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
no, he didn't...he had his hench-men do it for him, as he does with all his other dirty work. Ok, that's hearsay, I know. Just being cynical.

As for the American Indian, and oppression...if it's anything like the climate in Canada, it's certainly not a glamorous thing to be Native. 2/3's of the population in our jails are Native Canadians, for obvious, and not so obvious reasons. *edit* that didn't come out right. The obvious reasons I was referring to are being suspected/arrested/convincted of a crime more often that non-Native folks, and the not so obvious reasons are...chronic disfunctional family units that often pass on bad habits such as substance abuse, spouse abuse, and the like. The disfunctionality of the their family units can be traced all the way back to the days of segregration and the white man's attempt to "whiten" the indian. Many Natives have still not regained their self esteem, and many white people still do not encourage or inspire it.

And I love your idealism, Rainbow. Raine too. I don't know if eithor of you are Aquarians, or have heavy Aqua/11th house/Uranus in your charts, but I have an Aqua moon, and in compells me to want social reform and equality, and I dream of Utopia. I really do reasonate with that ideal. But, at the same time, I'm stuck in the here and now, because you can't progress forward unless you start where you're at...which is here and now. You guys are not wrong or silly or any of those things. You're just light years ahead of society, in it's current state. But go ahead and hold a place in line for the rest of us, if you don't mind. We'll catch up in due time.

And, America IS Beautiful. Don't lose sight of that.

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Yang
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posted May 18, 2004 03:15 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am all for Peace but what gets me down is that someone always says that Peace is the absence of war.Why cant it just be Peace and no such thing as war.Perhaps this is hell afterall.

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lioneye68
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posted May 18, 2004 11:16 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ying and Yang, Yang.

How do you know you're happy if you've never been unhappy? How do you know you're sick if you've never been healthy? You need to have seen both sides of a spectrum in order to have perspective. It's all part of the Universal Equation.

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LibraSparkle
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posted May 18, 2004 11:23 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rainbow ~ I don't think you're an idiot. I think you are an extremely compasionate person who tries hard to find the good in all people. That is very admirable.

While I agree with you on the death penalty issue, I still have trouble agreeing with your the speculation that this is because of a rough up bringing and drug use. It's just not true, and I am living proof of that.

Not to go into graphic detail, but to give you an example of the life I was escaping by doing A LOT of drugs in my younger years... When I was a toddler I used to watch my father TIE UP my mother so it would be easier to beat her. I, myself, and my mother have been beaten bloody by my father. I have done coke, shrooms, acid, meth, and pot(...and a whole lot of all of them... and some times a mixture of many of them). None of these substances ever sparked a homicidal thought in my mind, much less made me act out in a violent way. I was not nurtured as a child by my mother or my father.

I agree that the death penalty is inhumane, and we as a race of human beings are far too evolved to resorte to such archaic forms of punishment. I cannot agree that a person's hard life excuses them from committing heinous crimes.

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pidaua
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posted May 18, 2004 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rainbow,

I was referring to the glamorization that is perpetrated by certain groups that wish to believe American Indians are so spiritual that we are all these doe eyed dreamers crying at someone throwing a Micky D's wrapper out the window.

I am aware of the prejudice, but I also can't live my life in fear. I come out and make points when I need to, but I am also well aware of our history, my history. My father grew up in an atmosphere that was hostile to Indians and Hispanics. He traveled through the south where he didn't know (nor did many of the attendants at the stations) whether he should use the "white" bathroom or "colored" bathroom / fountain.

It was terrible what happened and the protrayal of Indians, but what about what the tribes did to each other? It wasn't just the Europeans, let's look at the Apache killing Mexicans and taking their woman and children or the Mexicans killing Apache / Comanche / Navajo men and selling the kids into slavery to the Spanish.

I am sure that even the Canadian Indian's have a somewhat bloody history as well. War is war. It's sad, but it's true.

I never worried about any race trying to steal me away or hurt me. It could have been my upbringing. My mom is German and Cherokee and my dad is Spanish and Apache..so I knew I was mixed and had parents that wanted me to know the history of where we came from. I do get upset at the way that Indians come across in Movies ( I do love the works of Sherman Alexis.."The only thing worse than an Indian playing an Indian in a movie..is an Indian watching an Indian in a movie..LOL)

I have also come across caucasions that want so much to be Indian because they think it is glamerous... One lady talked about how free she felt living on a reservation with "poor Native Americans" and how free her soul was in such a place. That being able to look up at the stars through a roof with holes was beautiful.
Hell, I wanted to smack her little rich - liberal a$$. She has NO idea the plight of that reservation - SHE can leave, but see..it's that whole granola crunching feel good attitude that causes an illusion that all is one with the world. ICK!!

I do wonder how you can actually attack George Bush in a light that would protray him as wanting to exterminate Indians had he been around in that day. I just think that is so uncalled for because you are assuming things about a man that you do not know.

I wouldn't think something that prejudicial would come out of someone I have always found to be enlightened like you.

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posted May 19, 2004 12:58 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pid....How long have you been aquainted with GW Bush?

...and you're right, I guess never having met him personally, I can't say that I "know" him.......but maybe YOU can introduce me someday, since you obviously do...

Love,
Rainbow

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posted May 19, 2004 01:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LibraSparkle...........I am sorry to hear about your upbringing (how terrible ) and I applaude you for rising above it...that is noble and shows good charactor.

I guess what I was trying to say about Karla Faye Tucker was at the time of the murders, she was a totally different person than she was 14 years after...*sigh*....

She was actually an evil person (obviously having no sense of right or wrong) and the quantities of drugs she had been using all her young life, only renforced her obviously inner rage from God knows what in her life...

Fourteen years later whe WAS a changed person. She found her peace...and a spiritual life, and realized the awfulness of the horrid thing she had done. Her later years in prison were productive years of a person totally rehabilitated and wanting to help others who found themselve there thru the errors in their lives.

She wanted to "not be executed" so that she might carry on her work (she was NOT asking for release from prison)....

But she was put in prison and eventually murdered (same as she had done to someone else), because TEXAS said she should die regardless of any rehabilitation.

So regardless of what it is called...capitol punishment, death penalty, execution....it is still MURDER...so she was murdered...

And our "Christian" leader broke one of his God's Ten Commandments....murder is murder is murder....

(don't mean to go on and on about this...but I'm not making total excuses for Karla's behavior in the past...just throwing in some of what her life was like back then.....and how drastically she had changed, and consequently the person who was put to death, was a totally different one than the one who committed the crime! *sigh*)

Love,
Rainbow

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pidaua
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posted May 19, 2004 02:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL...oh yeah, that's a quality argument. First off, I have met him - at the National Cattlemen's Annual Meeting in Denver, Colorado January 2002. He was very personable, polite and well spoken. Cattlemen are prone to putting up with lying sacks of crap. They do admire upstanding people that care about this country. By the way, it is worthy to note that a majority of the cattlemen / women have served their country and come from families with military experience.

So, that answers one question. Now to the other, well, since I do not know him on a first name basis I will not be able to introduce you, but if I did, I would love for you to meet him. My point was that I do not think you can put malicious words into the mouth of a man that you do not know. In the same regard, I am skeptical about most things, so I do go with my gut.

In any case, I find it odd that it comes so easy for you to blame Bush for just about every ill (killing the murderer Karla Tucker to waging a war just to kill innocent Iraqis and our peeps). I question whether your intention is based on looking at him objectively or just because he is Republican?

(And for the record, I am asking this in just a questioning tone, not in a manner that should be considered in anger or accusation)

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posted May 19, 2004 10:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pid..........

......my first response was to be facetious and say, "Oooh lucky you! You got to meet the man who was 'appointed' president!......oooh I am SOOOO envious!!"

Then I though better of it....

......then I thought oh heck why not? So there it is.....

....and as you say, I imagine that he was indeed personal and polite. He is after all a politition, is he not? (most of them are pretty good at that kind of thing)

...and since I was speaking in jest about meeting Bush, you must in actuality, realize that I have no desire whatsoever to meet that man! I go with my "gut" feelings too Pid, and just the sight of him makes me cringe. I do not like the man....what he's done to the country....or where he's taking us..

You also said, "I do wonder how you can actually attack George Bush in a light that would protray him as wanting to exterminate Indians had he been around in that day. I just think that is so uncalled for because you are assuming things about a man that you do not know."

True, I do not know him....

.....and as you've stated you do not know him either......

...... therefore it seems logical...that it is also uncalled for....for you to assume he is the "great leader" YOU think he is? (since you also don't really know him)

...and Pid, I'm flattered to learn that you HAVE ALWAYS found me to be enlightened, since I really haven't known you all that long........but heck, don'tcha be jumping to delusio...eerr. conclusions....

If I came across here, as being "enlightened," I'm afraid my posts have been sorely misunderstood. Good lord, I wish I WERE enlightened!

....I am certainly trying to work my way forward in a spiritual sense, but gosh darn...I'm a LONG way from being enlightened......thanks for the compliment, anyway...

Love,
Rainbow


PS Oh! I noted that cattlemen somehow got into the discussion...How did that happen? From cattleman I know nothing....My grandpa used to have two old milk cows...Pansy and Daisy and that's about all I know of them...*sigh*

What I'm trying to tell you, is that I'm trying to digest, why the fact that cattleman served their country and come from families with military experience has anything to do with the price of tomatoes....it's not registering...kinda like we're taking about apples and oranges...


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ozonefiller
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posted May 19, 2004 11:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
...but only 10 bad of them, either or...

"6 to 1,half a dozen of the other"?!

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pidaua
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posted May 20, 2004 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Follow along Rainbow,

I said that I met the pres while attending the cattlemen conference. I also relayed the fact (without having to spell it out) that the cattlemen aren't starry eyed dumba$$es that fall for just any load of crap. So the fact that they asked the pres to speak says something about him.

I must have been mistaken about you and your enlightenment, I think I confused you with La-Tee-Da, actually I am sure of it. So I am sorry to her because I do admire her.

You on the other hand, have proven you would much rather see evil in a person than good without even knowing them. You have proven that you are just a biased angry person that feels "her" opinions / judgments are the only ones that can be credible.

Have fun in your rather one-sided world. I will keep to living in this real one.

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posted May 20, 2004 07:41 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pid says, "You on the other hand, have proven you would much rather see evil in a person than good without even knowing them. You have proven that you are just a biased angry person that feels "her" opinions / judgments are the only ones that can be credible.

Pid...*sigh*

Look at what you just said!

I don't think that ANYWHERE in my posts,I said that I think MY opinions are the only ones that are credible...but....if you want to be accusing, then I by the same token, could say the same about you...."You Pid, are an angry and biased person who feels her opinions/judgments are the only ones that are credible.."

Doesn't that sound silly? It sounds like children..."My dad can beat up your dad" "Na na na na NA na!"

We are both entitled to our opinions (so far), and they differ.

It's as simple as that...

(name calling and accusing sounds so petty)

Love,
Rainbow

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