posted June 22, 2004 12:48 PM            

Even the title for this lying waste of celluloid is purloined from Ray Bradbury, author of the SF fiction novel Fahrenheit 451. Fitting perhaps, given Michael Moore is a certifiable space cadet.

Unfairenheit 9/11
The lies of Michael Moore.
By Christopher Hitchens
Posted Monday, June 21, 2004, at 12:26 PM PT

posted June 22, 2004 02:24 PM              

Christopher Hitchens manages to put some specifics to mike moores idiocy and selective/self serving reasoning skills.

posted June 22, 2004 11:32 PM            

Christopher Hitchins is not a literary or film critic. He's a political commentator, author and liberal writer who well understands that liars like Michael Moore do more damage to liberalism than all the attacks of conservatives combined. Hitchin's logical commentary on Moore is dead on and devastating.

posted June 23, 2004 02:18 AM              

Respect IS something you earn. None of the politicians running for any office have come close to earning mine. And that is why I have never voted and never will.
I won't take part in the sick game.

There is an article on the web that perfectly puts what I think into words.
"The common good and the voter's paradox"
by Leon Felkins and Mack Tanner
So, if you have any questions on why I take this stand - you can read that. I don't want to get into an argument over this. Just felt like replying to this thread.

Michael Moore is someone who is in the limelight. Everyone who is famous - will always have people who want to tear them down. Ridicule there every word and move. Especially someone like him who is bringing truths to light for all to see. Thank God for Michael Moore - someone who is trying to wake up this world of sleep walkers!

posted June 23, 2004 09:49 AM            

A mind is a terrible thing to waste by letting lies in unfiltered, don't you think? So, when are you departing this den of iniquity, inequity, lies and despotism called America?

Yes, Michael Moore is in the limelight but only because he slithered out of the woodwork with some other cockroaches. True, he has an "I hate America" message that appeals to some. Having dropped out of college, he took his intellectual disability on the road and somehow became a foreign and domestic policy "expert".

The only way Michael Moore ever discovered any truth was by stepping in it. Compared to Hitchins, Moore is definitely "light headed".

If you intended to make an argument for Moore or anyone else on the extreme radical left you could have posted some facts to support your position.....if you could find any facts to support your position. Making bare and unsupported allegations doesn't advance your argument.

Postscript: Leon Felkins gets his articles published in the official communist organ of the former Soviet Union, Pravda. Is this where you get most of your news?

posted June 23, 2004 10:27 AM            

Put politics aside: 'Fahrenheit 9/11' will entertain
By Claudia Puig, USA TODAY
Fahrenheit 9/11 (* * * ½ out of four) is everything you've heard. It also is some things you haven't heard, which is what makes it worth watching.

MIchael Moore pays a visit to the Saudi embassy compound in Fahrenheit 9/11. We're guessing he didn't get in.
Lions Gate Films

Of course, its strong point of view in an increasingly polarized nation will draw both ardent support and virulent opposition. But no moviegoer will be bored. The documentary's scathing attack on the war in Iraq and George W. Bush's presidency is informative, provocative, frightening, compelling, funny, manipulative and, most of all, entertaining.

Much of what filmmaker Michael Moore focuses on has been covered in news reports, magazine articles and books. But because he still manages to present new data and little-seen footage, connecting the dots in a cogent and persuasive way, Fahrenheit 9/11 is the year's must-see film.

Few will forget the devastating footage of Bush's bewildered, dumbstruck reaction on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, when he learns of the attack on the World Trade Center. Instead of conferring with advisers, he sits quietly in a Florida classroom for an interminable seven minutes and then reads My Pet Goat to the children.

Among the most powerful moments: interviews with once gung-ho military personnel now uncertain about their Iraqi mission. A segment with a grieving mother whose son was killed in the war could appear calculated. But she is a willing participant in her own exploitation, choosing to share her pain in service of a broader message: the inhumanity of the war. Fahrenheit's graphic war footage may work more on our emotions than our intellect, but that doesn't make the film propaganda.

The stickier part is Moore's depiction of Bush as unscrupulous and self-serving. The first President Bush has branded the film a "vicious personal attack" on his son. If any of Moore's facts prove wrong, then perhaps he'll have a point. But most of Fahrenheit's information comes from verifiable sources.

Some of the disparagement seems personal because Moore presents information with his trademark deadpan humor. But is it an attack to point out that the President spent 42% of his first eight months in office on vacation? Or is it useful information for voters?

posted June 23, 2004 11:39 AM              

-StarLover

posted June 23, 2004 12:55 PM            

Well now, that's a bad rap that I wouldn't be so quick to criticize Moore if he was a Republican. The President gets letters (email) from me......or someone up there in the White House does about immigration policy or the lack thereof, about the weak kneed way the Fallujaha and Najaf insurgency and terrorist outbreaks were and are being handled, about who in their right mind would send Joe Wilson, a partisan Democrat to Nigeria to ask them if they sold yellowcake to Saddam and a range of other issues we don't normally talk about here.

Chief among them is why the President retained so many partisan Democrats in critical and sensitive positions within his administration. By now, I'm pretty sure he regrets those personnel decisions.

I'm sure, taken as a whole one would get the idea I have a negative opinion of the way the President is conducting the war, managing the bureaucracy in Washington and making staff decisions.........from the emails I send to president@whitehouse.gov.

Hitchins is on the same side as Michael Moore. Problem is that Hitchins thinks Moore is giving liberalism a bad name and a black eye with his lies and intellectual dishonesty. I agree with Hitchins.......on that issue.

posted June 23, 2004 01:32 PM              

I don't like any of the governments on this planet, not just America's. So it's here I'll stay.

posted June 23, 2004 02:34 PM            

Millions of people have died so that every American here over the age of 18 has the right to direct the course of their government, yet voter turn out is routinely abysmal. No wonder you're interests aren't represented if you don't bother to even attempt to affect the process by voting.

As for Michael Moore, he's a waste of space, a propagandist and a sensationalist who uses the left's passion for his own self-glorification. I wouldn't mind seeing the movie for the hilarity factor, but I sure won't contribute a dime of my money to him or anything remotely connected to or benefitting him.

posted June 23, 2004 03:16 PM            

For instance, supporters of Moore are "ardent" and opponents are "virulent." Ummm, being characterized as being virus like isn't going to get any high five's from me.

This story is factually wrong as well. Manipulative yes, Moore's breach of the fantasy barrier is certainly manipulative but it all goes downhill from there.

The thrust of Moores film is that the President is somehow connected to bin Laden's family, knew 9/11 was coming and did nothing to stop it because Bush wanted war. Every fact anyone could check contradicts Moore. He cites clearance for bin Laden's family to leave the US as a fact implicating the President but had anyone fact checked that allegation, they would have found that Richard Clarke is the person solely responsible for clearing the bin Laden family to leave the US after 9/11 and Clarke himself says so.

Clarke is not a Republican partisan, by any means. He's a partisan Democrat who wrote a book critical of the President that was itself full of factual error.

Nevertheless, if you haven't seen the film, go and have a good time but none for me. My BS tolerance threshold is way too low for Michael Moore's nonsense.

posted June 23, 2004 03:34 PM              

"If voting could change anything, it would be illegal." Graffiti

posted June 23, 2004 03:35 PM            

Not a peep out of Moore then and not a peep out of the so called anti war crowd. No marches on Washington, the White House or any place else. That's the main reason for my insistence the anti war movement is a total fraud. They aren't against war, they're against Bush, using anti war rhetoric as a weapon to defeat him.

posted June 23, 2004 03:44 PM              

I don't think the majority of people knew enough about Clinton's raids during the time. I think the media was much more preoccupied with other stupid issues like his affair and the impeachment over it.

Here's something else about Clinton, I think it's total crap, but he is now claiming that during his term he was trying desperately to go after Osama Bin Laden and Al-Queda, I hardly believe that this is true. Did you hear about that Jwhop? Are you going to buy his book?

posted June 23, 2004 04:26 PM            

Clinton was impeached for "high crimes and misdeanors" in that as the President and therefore the top federal officer over the Justice Dept he swore a false affidavit in an Arkansas Court. Closely associated with perjury, obstruction of justice and contempt of Court since the affidavit is under penalty of perjury and was intended to obstruct justice in the Paula Jones civil suit against him in Arkansas. He finally reached a settlement with Paula Jones for $850,000.

He also paid a fine of $96,000 and lost his license to practice law in the state of Arkansas.

Awww, and I had my Mark Anthony toga all picked out and a short speech prepared.

Friends, Americans and Countrypersons, lend me your ears. I come not to praise Michael Moore but to spray the fat little cockroach. Anyone seen him?

I also have a Michael Moore movie kit prepared which consists of earplugs and a blindfold which is the best way to protect one's mind while sitting through an assault on truth, justice and the American way.

posted June 23, 2004 05:41 PM            

Against my better judgment, I watched Clinton talking about his book on 60 minutes with Dan Rather. Don't think I'm going to buy it myself.

As to whether Clinton did all he could to stop al Queda, there is both video and audio tape of Clinton telling an audience he passed up an offer to take bin Laden into custody from the Sudanese. The Sudenese have confirmed the offer and said they were rebuffed at the highest levels of the US government.

This is part of the story and if you wish to listen to Clinton saying he passed on the Sudanese offer to take bin Laden, there's a link at the bottom of the story. The video tape of Clinton's speech was offered to 60 minutes to refute what Clinton said in his book and CBS/60 minutes declined since that book and Clinton's appearance on 60 minutes were designed to rehabilitate Clinton's image.

Tuesday, June 22, 2004 1:13 a.m. EDT
CBS Airs New Footage of Clinton Denying bin Laden Offer

In an effort to counter the growing perception that President Clinton forfeited America's best chance to arrest Osama bin Laden before the 9/11 attacks, "CBS Evening News" anchorman Dan Rather aired new footage Monday night of Clinton strenuously denying that the government of Sudan ever offered to extradite the al-Qaida mastermind.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/6/22/11958.shtml

posted June 23, 2004 06:22 PM              

I agree with you wholeheartedly that if you don't vote, you shouldn't have the right to whine about ANYTHING happening in the government that you vote could have helped agains. Such as all these people who didn't vote in the last election and have the audacity to complain about Bush. They have no right, as far as I'm concerned. They should have voted. If most of the people who don't vote would have voted, THE SHRUB surely wouldn't be in the place he is today.

I am a Michael Moore fan. I have read his books, and seen his films... except for this new one. I will see it once it's available on Netflix. I hate going to the movies and paying a fortune to be bombarded with advertisements for cars and candy bars. It sickens me, and I refuse to waste my money in that respect.

So, jwhop... after your date with StarLover, you're welcome to pop by and watch it here in my home with me. I'm sure we could have some fun with it