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Topic: Evolution or R-evolution: Which is your choice?
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Jaqueline
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posted July 06, 2004 06:47 PM
 
Reading some opinions in this Forum it is possible to verify that several of us bet that the best - maybe the only - alternative to modify this so disturbed world that we lived is through the wars. Others believe that if a person was/is a victim of violence she understands its use and accepts it naturally. To these person violence is justifiable. Another believe that Peace is something impossible of being reached and those that hope to solve the world' problems – or any other - through dialogue, are people that live in "FantasyLand", basing their lives on an Utopian reality. Although I am not able nor I want to "judge" opinions, I refuse to believe that only through the "power of sword" problems will be fixed, ‘cause if I do, I will have to deny the human evolution and that's something I cannot do. Violence. Well, I know this word very well and I can guarantee that my knowledge is not derived from the movies- btw, good teachers - yet, from my own experience.
The worst kind of violence is the one that is committed by those that we loved, by those that we deposited all of our confidence, by those we believed that are here to "save and protect" us not to destroy our bodies and souls. When that happens, it’s really easy to stop believing in the human being and assume an offensive posture, yet, like everything in life, we also have other paths to follow. Quoting Nietzsche: " What does not destroys me, makes me stronger ", that was exactly what I did when doubt, pain and anger took care of my heart and mind. I could have answered to violence with violence, or worse, with revenge, however, I decided to understand the reason that made me “play the victim' character in this life". One of my Masters was Linda, and through her books she taught me that every effect arises from a cause. Under certain conditions, a cause will come to an effect. This is the Universal Law of Karma. Every action must have a reaction, i.e. an effect. The truth applies both to physical world,(expressed by Newton) and to the moral world. Yet, the purpose of Karma is not to punish, nor to reward, but to teach. Unhappily the best way of learning it’s “tasting” the same type of suffering that we have inflicted on others.
She also wrote that Karma ends with love. Karma ends when you have perfected yourself in your ability to love.
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… In other words, pay with dignity your Karmic debts, without complaints, bitterness or resentments and this Karmic debt will be miraculously suspended…First accept. Then, forgive. Finally, compensate…
These are Linda’s words.So, in agreement with the philosophy of some of us, Linda lived in a Utopian world…
Thanks God-dess she was not alone... Before Linda there’s was a small and very thin man that taught me about Truth, Peace, Fearlessness, Love, Nonviolence. Through his strength and his wisdom, his" peaceful struggle" helped the beginning of the British Empire' s decline.
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"Nonviolence is the greatest force at the disposal of mankind. It is mightier than the mightiest weapon of destruction devised by the ingenuity of man."
These are Mohandas Gandhi’s words.Another important man from last Century taught me that:
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Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Hate multiplies hate, violence multiplies violence, and toughness multiplies toughness in a descending spiral of destruction....The chain reaction of evil--hate begetting hate, wars producing more wars--must be broken, or we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation… Nonviolence is the answer to the crucial political and moral questions of our time: the need for man to overcome oppression and violence without resorting to oppression and violence. Man must evolve for all human conflict a method which rejects revenge, aggression and retaliation. The foundation of such a method is love.
Using this kind of speech, this man planted in the hearts and in the minds of his time the seed that would generate the end of the racial segregation in USA…
These are Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.’s wordsI could continue in this subject "ad eternum", but unhappily, nor I have time, nor you guys will have patience to read. So, to finish, I would like to answer my own question that is the title of the Topic. Due to my faith, the experiences that I lived, the suffering that I knew, due to my moral formation and to everything that I learned on these years in this planet, my personal choice will always be the EVOL-ution = LOVE. That carpenter of Nazareth taught me to never underestimate the Power of Love, after all, He - literally - changed the world through it.  Jackie _________________________________________________________________________________ "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.
But the opposite of a profound truth may be another profound truth."
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Randall
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posted July 06, 2004 07:33 PM
Linda also spoke in support of the slaughtering of the Native Americans. As unjust as this may have seemed on the surface, Linda connected it with Karma. No one wants war. We all want our families safe and healthy and happy. But someone has to take a stand (unpopular as it may be) to make the world a safe and Peaceful place. Until we root every terrorist out and either kill or confine them, there will never be Peaceful civilization. Like the Latin phrase says: si viz pacem, para bellum (if you want peace, prepare for war).  ------------------
"Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
Aphrodite
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posted July 06, 2004 07:57 PM
Hi Jackie,I hear and understand what you are saying. There is a lot of spirit in your words. Aphrodite ------------------
Love all, trust a few. Do wrong to none.
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26taurus
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posted July 06, 2004 08:11 PM
Hi Jaqueline,Thank you for your thoughts, they resonate deep within me. I am trying hard to walk my path - "be the change I wish to see in the world" - but still find myself stumbling along the way. I guess that's part of the learning. It feels like a steep uphill climb, and I feel like I'm a thousand years old. But at least I'm cutting my own trails and not being driven through them by someone else. Yet in a way I am being driven I guess.....by a higher power. I'm rambling now. Thank you for your words of wisdom, I enjoyed reading your post. I hope to read more from you soon.
to you.
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posted July 06, 2004 09:48 PM
As always Jackie, love to you and yours  ------------------
If having a soul means being able to feel love and loyalty and gratitude, then animals are better off than a lot of humans. ~James Herriot IP: Logged |
Jaqueline
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posted July 07, 2004 07:15 PM
My dear Webmaster,No matter how much I disagree of you, I still love you!
You know why ? Because your heart is so full of love and your spirit is so illuminated that it is impossible to see cruelty in your ideas or thoughts.
Your ideas are pure as your heart. Therefore, it doesn't matter which one of us has the truth, what matters is that both of us want the best for the human race. I respect you and I thank you for the opportunity that you gave us to be here sharing knowledge, learning and teaching... even disagreeing from our "host" with so much vehemence.  Love
Jackie
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Jaqueline
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posted July 07, 2004 07:16 PM
Dear Aphrodite,
I am really happy to know that you understood what I wanted to say. My words are full of "me"...a person full of contradictions, but that believes strongly in one thing called "ethics".
I also hear what you say...always...even if sometimes, in silence. Love,
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Jaqueline
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posted July 07, 2004 07:18 PM
Dear 26taurus,
Your posts about some issues are very similar to my own ideas. I enjoy so much reading what you write.
On walk our own path... it is really difficult if we don't know where we are going, but starting from the moment that we have this knowledge, everything becomes easy. Of course there will be stones and difficulties and these stones and difficulties make us feel so old and so tired as if we really are thousands years old... well, in fact, for some of us it is true.
Yet, in your case, you are the driver, you know what you want and where you wanna go and that's what matters. So, never forget that each one of us, inside our limitations, must make our part. Equally important it is to know that everything grows and the limits of today can be the foundations of tomorrow.Love,
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Jaqueline
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posted July 07, 2004 07:21 PM
Hi juniperb  Love and light to you my dear "flower" and to yours. IP: Logged |
26taurus
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posted July 08, 2004 04:33 AM
Yay! Jackie!
A new friend!! It feels good to know someone else here feels similarly to some my beliefs.
Thank you for your lovely reply. You are a beautiful and wise soul.
I do feel sometimes like I could actually be more like 5 million years old.  Makes you wonder how old you REALLY are. Much love and light to you!
26 Keep on postin' We need the light you can surely shed. IP: Logged |
Rainbow~
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posted July 09, 2004 11:53 AM
Jackie....I agree with you wholeheartedly in your views on war and peace. War is barbaric... If the human species were as evolved spiritually as they are in the areas of technology (computers..outer space explorations and tons of other stuff), we would be living in a peaceful world right now...but somehow spiritual evolution and sensible philosopies that call for intelligent people to think....to think about resolving problems without resorting to killing each other, seems to have lost momentum somewhere along the way....sadly  But there are peace loving people in the world, such as yourself and others here on the forums. So maybe there is hope yet...*sigh* Love,
Rainbow
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Jaqueline
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posted July 10, 2004 06:18 PM
Girls! 
26 and Rainbow!
Thanks for your words…lately I have not been listening kind words around here...
26, I’m 41... with two marriages that gave me two wonderful children...in the moment I'm in my third marriage  ...and in spite of the problems that all of us have, I can say that am a person full of love, peace and trust in humanity.
Rainbow, please include yourself as a peace loving person.
Your posts speak for you.
In spite of all the criticize that I (we) receive for speaking in peace and love on such confused times with so much violence, I don't give up on seeking the tools that can provide my spiritual growth. After all, this is the only commitment that we have here. To develop and reestablish the essential connection with The Superior, that we can also call "The True".
Talking about Karma and their consequences: two months ago I finished reading a book
that it was written by a Superior Spirit through a medium.
I don't know if you believe in this "kind" of communication...I do and I already read several books written through psychography. Anyway, in the book there was "a spirit" that was a woman and a mother in Hiroshima and lost her two children (she also died when the bomb exploded). Even discarnated, she refused to forgive the people that - in her point of view - were the responsible for the death of her family.
So, this spirit - in this life - was one of the kidnappers that were in one of the planes in the attack of 9/11...  Love,
Jackie ___________________________________________________________________________________ You Shall Know the Truth, and the Truth Shall Make You Free
John 8:32
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Solane Star
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posted July 10, 2004 10:08 PM
I whole-heartedly believe what you guys are saying and feeling. It really opens my heart to see some kindred spirits thinking on the same lines. Much love and peace! Love reading these postings
Solane Star 
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Gregory
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posted July 11, 2004 02:39 AM
Jackie Love alone is eternal and unconquerable. May I repeat your quote of Martin Luther King? quote:
Nonviolence is the answer to the crucial political and moral questions of our time: the need for man to overcome oppression and violence without resorting to oppression and violence. Man must evolve for all human conflict a method which rejects revenge, aggression and retaliation. The foundation of such a method is love.
Yes!This is the crucial next step for human evolution. Until we learn to resolve our conflicts without killing each other, we will remain trapped here in the divided consciousness that has led us from war to war throughout history. If we want a different world, we must learn to act differently. Slaughtering the enemy will never in a billion years lead to peace. Like the hydra of myth, for each dead enemy two will spring up in his place. It is possible to end conflict without violence, if we but have the will - and the love - to learn how to do it. It is not possible to end conflict with violence. It may be temporarily suppressed by overwhelming force, but it will invariably spring back, as surely as night follows day. This is the lesson of the Aquarian age, and humanity will learn it or blow ourselves out of the evolutionary game entirely. The endless cycle of action-reaction IS the cosmic trap that we are caught in. The perpetual process of accumulating new karma while working off the old, from which all true spiritual traditions aim to escape, is nothing more than this. One does not get off the treadmill by running harder in the same direction. The only way off the endlessly cycling carousel is love. Love,
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Rainbow~
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posted July 11, 2004 11:15 AM
GREGORY...  Love,
Rainbow
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Harpyr
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posted July 11, 2004 02:05 PM
Ditto that, Rainbow.Imagine if all the resources allocated to the military industrial complex were redirected to the goal of coming up with new ways of using non-violent resistance to resolve conflict... I've no doubt we could come up with a better solution than war. ----------------------
"Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don't want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship ...Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."
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26taurus
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posted July 11, 2004 02:18 PM
 and to all of you.IP: Logged |
Rainbow~
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posted July 11, 2004 02:30 PM
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"...the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."
....or tell them we WILL be attacked, invade a country that DID NOT attack us (but might be beneficial to us in an "oily kind of way,") and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. Sound familiar? hmmmmm. Yup! it can be done!(bet Georgie, Dicky and the rest of them are saying "thanks for the tip, Herman!") What an easy way for the people to be bought to biddding of the leaders...(or at least SOME of the people.) Love to you guys too, Greg, Harpyr, 26taurus
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