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lioneye68
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posted July 16, 2004 05:29 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
America, you are Damned if you do, and damned if you don't.

I sound like a broken record(that nobody listens to).

but that's ok... I realize I'm just a cannuck. Nuff said.

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Isis
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posted July 16, 2004 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, it was Yitzhak Rabin, assassinated at a peace rally in Tel Aviv in 1995 - I believe he was killed by a hard liner Israeli who didn't want to give consessions to the Palestinians.

Clinton wanted to broker peace to get himself a Nobel Peace Prize. Although I don't think very much of him as a person, he did seem to work hard at getting them to work together.

Their lack of forward momentum in that regard is because both sides are as bad as the other - they're both stubborn, there's certain things neither side will give an inch on. Don't for one minute let the America haters here portray it as only the Israeli's being bad guys w/ the US' support. They're both as bad as each other, the history is long, and the hard liners on both sides **** it up for everyone.


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lioneye68
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posted July 19, 2004 12:29 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's pretty much the feeling I get about the whole situation, Isis.

The hate goes very deep on BOTH sides. Many of the adults are a lost-cause. They have to achieve peace through the new generation, the children. They haven't formed that hatred yet.

Put the children of both sides into common schools, and they will make freinds with each other, despite their differences.

HA! Like the adults would ever agree to THAT!

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lioneye68
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posted July 19, 2004 12:29 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oops. Double post. How the heck did that happen?

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TINK
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posted July 19, 2004 08:28 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think you are quite right Isis. I lean slightly - ever so slightly - with the Palestinains because it was their homes that were taken away. I can only imagine the steps Americans would take if our land was given away by a 3rd party. Also, because the Israelis have bigger guns and it is my nature to side w/ the underdog. Nevertheless, they should be both ashamed at the blood they have spilt in the Holy Land and God knows neither party can now claim the moral high ground.

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Randall
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posted July 19, 2004 09:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It should be no surprise, but I side with Israel. They were attacked by several Arab nations and won against all odds. The Palestinians use terror tactics, and Israel has every right to protect its citizens. Unlike us, Israel believes in instant justice, and sometimes civilians get in the way, but the difference is that the Palestinians target civilians as a matter of rule.

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TINK
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posted July 19, 2004 10:18 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why were the Israelis attacked?

I do not condone human bombs buy any means, but the Palestinians believe it is all they have in their arsenal. After all, we do not arm them. We Americans once indulged in a bit of terrorism during our own revolution, though certainly not to these horrific lenghts. At the time it was considered unfair and barbaric, but it was all we had.

Maybe if our government did not take such a one-sided stance so many problems in the Middle East would work themselves out.

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Randall
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posted July 19, 2004 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Arab nations got together with the goal of wiping out all the Jews in what we now call the Six Day War (to the world's surprise, Israel defeated all of them). As far as I'm concerned, they are entitled to all the land they claimed.

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lioneye68
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posted July 19, 2004 12:08 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think they need to build a bridge to get over themselves, both sides, and just SHARE IT.

It's the 'Us-vs-Them' mentality that causes all the fricken conflict in this world - The inablity to wrap their brains around the fact that we are not separate, but rather ONE race. Everybody has the right to exist, and nobody has the right to decide what piece of God's Green Earth someone else can exist on, (unless it's your strawberry patch or something)

Or, unless they are terrorists, and don't wish to co-exist peacefully there. (wherever "there" is)

(in terms of national borders, that is, not as in disregarding the private property of another)

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Isis
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posted July 19, 2004 02:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do have greater sympathies for the Israelis because of terrorists bombings. But I also see how both sides perpetuate things, both sides are completely stubborn, etc.

And during the American Revolution we didn't strap ourselves with bombs and kill British women and children on purpose. To even remotely justify what either side does because of the other is what got us here in the first place.

Oh, and the Palestinians get international support to the tune of millions (billions?) of dollars (which they in turn buy weapons with).

I think one of the largest impediments to peace is Yasser Arafat. His entire life has been based on strife with Israel - I don't think he is capable of being at peace with them, of truly encouraging peace with them, of enforcing policies that keep the peace with them.

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lioneye68
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posted July 19, 2004 05:54 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't they realize that, other than peace, the only other possible end to this particular conflict, is the entire annihilation of one or the other ethnic group in the area? Don't they realize that the annihilated side could be their own side?

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Isis
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posted July 19, 2004 06:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Probably not. Denial is a very powerful state of mind.

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TINK
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posted July 19, 2004 11:12 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As I said, "we did not take it to those horrific lengths"

You betcha Arafat is getting in the way of peace. He's all ego now. Same w/ Sharon - what a bitter man.

Occasionally I think that the only way to solve the problem is to just let them bomb each other into oblivion.

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Isis
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posted July 20, 2004 12:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sadly, I've often thought that myself...

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TINK
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posted July 20, 2004 09:02 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, it's a Shiva/Scorp type thingy. Massive destruction so that we may start over fresh. I do practice it on the small scale in my personal life and it works like a charm. But I try not to let myself feel this way concerning the big stuff, although I admit it is my nature. Yours too Miss Isis?

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Isis
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posted July 20, 2004 01:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Only when it appears no other course of action will be effective - I've had to learn over time that things don't always have to be destroyed to be rebuilt, however sometimes when all other options seem to have been exhausted...

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lioneye68
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posted July 20, 2004 01:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wonder if that's how God feels about the human race sometimes.

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pidaua
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posted July 20, 2004 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes..I wonder about that too.

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proxieme
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posted July 20, 2004 02:21 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah. Not to beat the Non Sequitur horse to death, but these last few posts reminded me of today's cartoon:

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lioneye68
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posted July 20, 2004 03:56 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very relevent indeed, Prox. Where do you find these cartoons?

(and what does non-sequitur mean? Not present?)

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pidaua
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posted July 20, 2004 04:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
non-sequitur means "It does not follow" or it has nothing to do with what is at hand.

For example: If we were talking about oranges and then all of a sudden I start bringing up the poltical policies of Argentina. You would think "What in the heck does that have to do with anything" LOL...

I love that word

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proxieme
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posted July 20, 2004 04:31 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yep

lioneye - The cartoons that I've been showing are of that name: Non Sequitur by Wiley.
He's oftentimes kinda political, but he takes more swipes a general red-tape and circular thought (wherever he finds 'em) than anything else. If you had to label him, I'd say that he seems to be of a liberal bent with a huge, flaming swath of libertarianism (if that's possible).

More "Non Sequitur"

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