posted July 19, 2004 03:07 PM            

Mon Jul 19,10:00 AM ET AP

By SARA KUGLER, Associated Press Writer

NEW YORK - Activists planning to demonstrate against the upcoming GOP convention should be on the lookout for young conservatives gearing up to protest the protesters.

"To show that there is a group of people out there, there are Republicans that will protest them right back," said Tom Paladino, who leads the New York chapter of the newly formed Protest Warriors.

"We are the right-wing freedom fighters — we are out there and are just as animated as the protesters can be," said member Jason Sager, of Brooklyn.

Protest Warriors, which claims about 3,000 members nationwide, expects about 200 in New York for the four-day convention, which begins Aug. 30 and is expected to draw tens of thousands of opponents of President Bush (news - web sites).

Leaders say they know they won't have equal representation, but hope the contrast helps them stand out. They will be armed with their own picket signs and T-shirts, even video cameras to capture their mission.

"It's going to be the protest Olympics. They're all going to be trying to outdo each other," said Kfir Alfia, of Austin, Texas, who formed the group last year with Alan Lipton after they crashed anti-war demonstrations in San Francisco, carrying signs that said: "Except for Ending Slavery, Fascism, Nazism and Communism, War Has Never Solved Anything."

Activists hurled signs at them and hissed "Fascists!" as they marched along, Alfia and Lipton said. They said they were surprised to encounter animosity at a peace rally, and decided to publicize their experience.

They posted videos of their counterprotests on the Internet and began coordinating more actions. The movement attracted young conservatives from across the country, as well as stalwarts like Rush Limbaugh, who has hailed them.

This spring, the group protested anti-war rallies in several cities, including New York.

For now, Protest Warriors' convention plans are unclear because they depend on the anti-Bush groups. Some of those groups are still awaiting police permits for their demonstrations.

posted July 19, 2004 03:15 PM              

And they become hostile and aggressive toward the protest protesters?

posted July 19, 2004 04:14 PM            

Now that it's known the tactics they intend to employ, my hope is that the police will be all over the approaches to the subway and deployed in a ring extending out a mile from the convention center with bomb sniffing police dogs. It would be nice to catch these bast*ards with gunpowder or ammonium nitrate on their hands or clothes, arrest them on the spot, charge them, prosecute them and generally disrupt their lives to the maximum extent possible. Legitimate protest is one thing, disrupting our security systems is something entirely different.

Saturday, July 17, 2004 10:25 p.m. EDT
Kerry Urged to Denounce Dangerous Anti-GOP Tactics

New York Congressman Peter King is calling on the Democratic Party and its soon-to-be presidential nominee, Sen. John Kerry, to denounce a group of protesters who intend to disrupt the Republican convention by undermining security measures designed to prevent a terrorist bomb attack on New York City.

"Where are the Democrats? Why aren't they denouncing this?" an outraged King told WABC Radio's Monica Crowley on Saturday. "Why don't they speak out and say this is absolutely terrible?"

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Protest organizers are advising would-be troublemakers over the Internet to use gunpowder or ammonium nitrate-laced tablets to confuse the bomb-sniffing Labrador retrievers that will be patrolling Madison Square Garden and surrounding areas, the New York Daily News reported earlier this week.
One Internet message urged Bush-hating activists to "go to a rifle, pistol or skeet shooting range, spend an hour shooting to saturate clothing with smell of gunpowder, go directly to a New Jersey Transit, LIRR or subway train headed for Penn Station" - which is directly below the Garden.

"Try to have at least two people on a train in different locations," the would-be disrupter advised. "Sit or stand near the doors as the train approaches the station, try to get near police and dogs, loiter as long as possible around the dog, try to pet it if possible.

"If the dog alerts on your scent, do not leave or resist; the situation will cause a major disruption of the train schedule. ... If there is more than one person on the train that causes a dog to alert, you can bet that the train will not be going anywhere for a long time ... neither will any trains behind it."

"It is important that the police call in all possible resources to investigate the situation," the protest organizer explained. "With any luck, Madison Square Garden will be evacuated."

The message made no mention of any similar strategy for the Democratic Convention in Boston at the end of this month.

King told WABC: "It's really immoral and disgraceful to [try and disrupt security preparations] at a time when you know foreign terrorists may want to attack us at the convention. They make it that much easier for terrorists to be successful."

The New York Republican said Democrats are playing a cynical double game by not condemning the dangerous tactics.

posted July 19, 2004 05:33 PM              

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King told WABC: "It's really immoral and disgraceful to [try and disrupt security preparations] at a time when you know foreign terrorists may want to attack us at the convention. They make it that much easier for terrorists to be successful."

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I'm starting to think that a good portion of them are just as fricken crazy as the terrorists!!

Would someone on the left, please speak out against this, if only to assure others that not ALL left-leaners are nut-balls?

posted July 19, 2004 07:40 PM              

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Protest organizers are advising would-be troublemakers over the Internet to use gunpowder or ammonium nitrate-laced tablets to confuse the bomb-sniffing Labrador retrievers that will be patrolling Madison Square Garden and surrounding areas, the New York Daily News reported earlier this week.
One Internet message urged Bush-hating activists to "go to a rifle, pistol or skeet shooting range, spend an hour shooting to saturate clothing with smell of gunpowder, go directly to a New Jersey Transit, LIRR or subway train headed for Penn Station" - which is directly below the Garden.

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Who are the "would be" trouble makers, jwhop?

Protesters at the GOP convention?

When I see the internet messages that are advising the protesters to do all this stuff, then I'll give it more credibility!

I mean, like if it's on the internet, we should be able to see it right?

...Where is it?

And what would be the point in disrupting the convention, anyway?

I don't get it?

How does this put the Democrats ahead?

posted July 19, 2004 09:22 PM            

Smearing gunpowder or amoninuim nitrate on subway seats or having several people detected on subways cars or in the subway who were laced with nitrates, which are indicative of bomb making materials would force a shutdown of the New York subway system and strand commutters. It would be a mess and it is possible it would also mask a terrorist bomb attack.

"Protest organizers are advising would-be troublemakers over the Internet to use gunpowder or ammonium nitrate-laced tablets to confuse the bomb-sniffing Labrador retrievers that will be patrolling Madison Square Garden and surrounding areas, the New York Daily News reported earlier this week.
One Internet message urged Bush-hating activists to "go to a rifle, pistol or skeet shooting range, spend an hour shooting to saturate clothing with smell of gunpowder, go directly to a New Jersey Transit, LIRR or subway train headed for Penn Station" - which is directly below the Garden.

"Try to have at least two people on a train in different locations," the would-be disrupter advised. "Sit or stand near the doors as the train approaches the station, try to get near police and dogs, loiter as long as possible around the dog, try to pet it if possible.

"If the dog alerts on your scent, do not leave or resist; the situation will cause a major disruption of the train schedule. ... If there is more than one person on the train that causes a dog to alert, you can bet that the train will not be going anywhere for a long time ... neither will any trains behind it." http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/7/18/155536.shtml

posted July 19, 2004 11:38 PM            

The scenario you described would work to the advantage to someone planning an attack if all the police and security forces were tied up looking for a bomb on the subway or in Penn Station.

posted July 20, 2004 12:47 AM              

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Smearing gunpowder or amoninuim nitrate on subway seats or having several people detected on subways cars or in the subway who were laced with nitrates, which are indicative of bomb making materials would force a shutdown of the New York subway system and strand commutters. It would be a mess and it is possible it would also mask a terrorist bomb attack.

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I still don't know what the point would be.

Is this like saying that the protesters at the GOP convention (who are likely "lefties" "liberals" and democrats) are in cahoots with terrorists???

I guess I'm having a hard time understanding.

posted July 20, 2004 12:41 PM            

What is really disgusting is how they pointedly say they do NOT want to target Madison Square Gardens - BUT they want to cause damage / fear where these so called lobbyists eat, drink, sleep or "do deals". Guess it didn't enter their tiny little brains that they will also be interrupting the communications, business and lives of the average citizens:
http://www.rncnotwelcome.org/daction.html

Direct Action Handbook

A wide range of tactical, medical, and legal resources to make your actions more effective and safe.

What is Direct Action? - In short, "direct action means that instead of getting someone else to act for you (e.g. a politician) you act for yourself. Its essential feature is an organised protest by ordinary people to make a change by their own efforts." From infoshop.org.

On Masks: A position paper concerning Direct Action during the RNC by the RNCNotWelcome.org Collective

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"Direct Action is not spontaneous, it's organized."
- Kathleen Cleaver
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Organizing Structures

Affinity Groups- An affinity group is a small group of 5 to 20 people who work together autonomously together on direct action or other projects. You can form an affinity group with your friends, people from your community, workplace, or organization. The Affinity Group originated in the Spanish Civil War. Read a history here.

What is a Cluster?- A grouping or network of affinity groups that come together to work on a certain task or part of a larger action.

Consensus Decision Making- One model of decision making

The Spokescouncil A spokescouncil is a larger organizing structure used in the affinity group model to coordinate a mass action.

1st Affinity Group Meeting Agenda Sample

SF Self-Organizes to Implode Empire by Patrick Reinsborugh. An article about the San Francisco uprising in response to Bush's war and how it all took place.

Street Resources

What We Know: A collection of snippets of media sources to provide a comprehensive look at what the RNC will look like. Always a work in progress.

Hotels: Where the Delegates are staying during the RNC.

NYC Guide to War Profiteers- Map of corporations in Manhattan profiting off the Iraqi war & occupation.

Surveillance in NYC: There are a great deal of cameras in our public spaces. Here are maps, guides to identifying different cameras, and a picture (so to speak) of how the NYPD operate.

Activist Guide to Chemical Agents (PDF - 1.4MB): Though NYPD are more apt to use short-range weapons (e.g., pepper spray) than long-range weapons (e.g., tear gas, smoke grenades), but it is best to be aware what all these agents do and how to protect yourself. From the Madison Infoshop.

Tactics

Activists infiltrate RNC events! You can to with a little time and preparation!

Shadow Protest In addition to what you may do during the convention itself, why not sign up now to volunteer to work for the convention, and then miss your shift! Read the press release here. The online volunteer application is at https://jobs.quickhire.com/scripts/nyc2004.exe (copy and paste into a new browser window)

Ruckus Society Action Manuals An excellent range of manuals from video activism to action planning.

How To Fight The Man (And Get Away Safely) - A street tactics manual edited by NYC activists with NYC actions in mind. A must-read!

Banner Dropping This site, freewayblogger.com, has a great how-to and an archive of recent banner drops!

Reclaiming Public Space It's quick, victimless, and gets the message out. Check this site out for an archive of anti-Bush graffiti and flyering from around the world.

Occupations!

The Art of Pieing

Black Bloc How-To by Crimethinc Black Writers Bloc

Black Bloc for Dummies (from infoshop.org)

Bodyhammer: Tactics and Self-Defense for the Modern Protester

HlS Customers- Interesting ideas on infiltrating corporations- or poltical conventions!

How to Rip A Corporation Apart Piece by Piece (article about the Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty's successess with their campaign against Huntington Life Sciences).

CIA Freedom Fighter's Manual-: A pamphlet on how anyone with ordinary resources can undermine and sabotage the state. Made in the U.S.A!

Crimethinc account of Anti-G8 Protests-June 2003

I think everyone should take a good look at that site as well as:
http://www.crimethinc.com/library/english/libharb1.html

It's one big sick cult. Read the stuff from the library - it like reading a doctrine and how to book for becoming a brainwashed ninny.

These people do not care about doing right. They just want to promote anarchy. What is the difference between their hate and that of the KKK?

posted July 20, 2004 12:49 PM              

I try very hard to not subscribe to them, which, at times, can be challenging, I'll admit ~ But, that's why I pled for someone on the so-called left to speak out against this little mischief scheme, because the silence from that side of the room was indicating that nobody found anything wrong with it. I'm glad that that is not the case afterall.

posted July 20, 2004 01:01 PM            

The plans to demonstrate mass opposition at both conventions on the eve of the presidential election should in no way be understood to mean that the organizers are unmindful of the potential significance of this or any election. Clearly, the recent election in Spain which repudiated the pro-Bush Aznar government, just days after the horrific Madrid bombings, could be seen as nothing other than a powerful referendum on that government's complicity with the Iraq war. http://www.answercoalition.org/campaigns/dncrnc/index.html

Let me get this right...War is evil because it kills people but killing people to stop war is okay?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...doesn't make much sense to me. Also, read through this site and you will see just how much they not only hate anything "American" they hate the entire Jewish population.

posted July 20, 2004 01:04 PM            

Uuuuhhh.. no. It's very different and if one were to examine the reasoning behind folks who are anti-corporate/capitalist without a bunch of preconcieved notions getting in the way then it would be obvious how absurd equating them to the KKK is.

Racism is born out of ignorance, plain an simple. Being anti-corporate is borne out of opening one's eyes to the reality of the destruction wrought by multi-national corporations and the politians who support them, plain and simple.

Direct action becomes necessary when the democratic channels for social change are gone or were never adequate in the first place. When Rosa Parks refused to sit at the back of the bus or when black men sat at the white man's lunch counter it disrupted 'normal' peoples lives. Did that make them "disgusting" or indicate they had a "tiny brains"? Of course not. Sometimes disrupting people's lives is the only way to get them to wake up and take a look at the injustice going on around them. Things were alot simpler to point out in those days regarding some issues.. It's not always easy to use direct action and civil disobedience to shine a light on the often insidious injustices taking place every day but I heartily applaud those willing to undertake the challenge and look forward to participating one of these days.

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"Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim -- when he defends himself -- as a criminal."
-- Frederic Bastiat, "The Law"

"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson."
-- Franklin D. Roosevelt

posted July 20, 2004 01:12 PM            

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These people do not care about doing right. They just want to promote anarchy.

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I've met alot of anarchists and most of them are more aware of the injustices of our system and working harder to change things for the better than the average joe walking down the street. There is a very strong desire to make things 'right'. Pid, next time there is a major protest taking place near you I dare you to just take an hour to go down to the convergence space and see what's happening there. I've no doubt that you would have your notions of what an anarchist is all about shaken to the core.

posted July 20, 2004 01:17 PM            

Calling the murders of those that ended up as victims in the bombings in Madrid as justified because it helped pull Spain out of Iraq is "okay".

Come on Harpyr, even you have to admit when people use violence or violent techniques to bring about change in a "corporate" system it is still VIOLENT.

Why do these people not use their resources to get an an education and become their own company to compete against the big evil ones? I think they are lazy - pure and simple.

Besides, they are having much more fun causing mayhem and financial grief against business owners and citizens for a cause.

I'll tell you what - God save the person that ever approaches me in a violent manner in order to make a statement. Never let me catch them after they have torched my car or endangered my family.

What is worse is that where in the hell is the ALF and PETA when it comes to these sites encouraging pelting animals with rocks from sling shots, using ammonium nitrate to blow out the sense of smell of the dogs or throwing marbles under the hooves of horses?

posted July 20, 2004 01:25 PM            

Remember, I have seen some of your "friends" work first hand since I spent many, many years working with animals and at a large research institution / university. I have attended conventions where people wanting to get their "Point" across, dressed like cows holding fake AK-47's jumped out and called us "Murderers" and innocuous Dairy conventions.

I have read through the propaganda of the websites where they indoctrinate young- unformed or illformed minds into believing that violence brings about change. I challenge YOU to read through and tell me you don't see it.

Hell, I can't even stand religious sites that push their views on me let alone sites from disgruntled human beings that have nothing better to do but make money off of impressionable people.

That said- I do not believe ALL protesters are like that. My posts had everything to do with the organization of violence and the disruption in the lives of every day civilians that is currently being pushed by several large protest "companies".

posted July 20, 2004 01:26 PM            

Too bad the rest of us are just too stupid to know what's best for us

Let's see, they're against the exploration for oil, they're against the use of oil as a fuel, they're against the refining of oil into fuel and oil products, they're against the internal combustion engine, they're against burning coal, they're against the use of nuclear energy. In fact, they're against everything that makes the American economy work.

They're against the cutting of timber, they're against the building of single family houses.

They're against commercial fishing, personal fishing too. They're against hunting, they're against using animals as a food source. They're against eating?

They're against everything that benefits America and Americans. They're not for much...except to cram their radical ideas down everyone else's throats, presumably in the exercise of their right to protest which includes trespass, destruction of personal and public property and they expect to get away with it.

posted July 21, 2004 01:17 PM            

Go through their action plans and read how they feel that the Jews have caused many of the problems.

I also posted the exerpt that states the "unfortunate" bombing in Madrid made people form the anti-anzar feeling that ousted him.

One does not have to say "Kill People" to insinuate that the innocent deaths brought about the necessary change in policy.

Also, read ANSWERS list of protests and the summary / justification for going into action.

They are pro-muslim and anti-jewish. Stating that it is the fault of the Jews concerning the mid-east issues (I am paraphrasing because I do not have time to go back and keep copying and pasting the quotes).

Also regarding protests: I did say that I do not think that all protesters are violent. There are factions that are all about peace and getting things changed through legal, unviolent methods.

I am all for the "sit ins", the slogans or carrying signs. Protesting is a part of our American nature and it is necessary.