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Randall
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posted August 30, 2004 10:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This will be the first time he's ever voted Republican. You can hear why on Wednesday at the RNC.

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jwhop
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posted October 28, 2004 06:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Randall

Zell Miller isn't the only Democrat voting for W on November 2nd.

Seems the democrat boat has sprung a leak and lots of Democrats are abandoning ship.

From the Presidents speech today:
''If you're a Democrat, and your dreams and goals are not found in the far left wing of the Democrat party, I'd be honored to have your vote,''

Bush Baiting at Home and Abroad
Jerome Zeifman
Thursday, Oct. 28, 2004


According to the Kerry campaign, for waging the Iraq war President Bush is justifiably loathed by many Europeans. Kerry also charges Bush with fostering dangerous eruptions of anti-Americanism.

In my view, such “blame-America-first” propaganda is demagoguery. Similarly, I see many of the European Bush baiters as bigoted.
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As an American who has studied for more than three years in Europe I have retained a kind of “lover’s quarrel” with the “Old World.”
For me, under the thin crust of the European Union there still smolders centuries old histories of fierce nationalism, intense xenophobia. and an ethnic stereotyping that fosters prejudice and too often bigotry

In my case I recall my very first attendance at a lecture in a European University. A Swiss-German student sitting next to me said, "You’re an American! Have you ever heard of Beethoven?”

In France in 1951 the country swarmed with Americans taking advantage of highly favorable exchange rates. The common complaint among Parisians was, “The damned Yankees have liberated Germany and are now occupying Paris.”

Also in Paris, walls were covered with graffiti reading: “Yankee Go Home!” (As a counterforce some American students added to s the graffiti the words “Via Pan American!”)

In England the conventional wisdom among many English was, “The trouble with Yanks is they’re over-sexed, overpaid, and over here.”

From living in Europe I also learned that we Americans are not the only victims of ethnic profiling.

The English call the French “frogs” and regard them as shamelessly discourteous.

All over Europe the French are regarded as “discourteous intellectual snobs.” The Italians are regarded as “slovenly,” and the Germans as “boisterous and arrogant.”

During my long stay in Europe what has surprised me more than its nationalism and anti-Americanism is the internal ethnic stereotyping that occurs within each country.

For example in the United Kingdom there is prejudice in Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales against the English, who are regarded as snobs.

In England there is a disdain for the Welsh. The pejorative term for a Welshman is “Taffy.”

In France the Parisians tend to regard residents of the provinces as ignoramuses. In turn the provincials tend to regard Parisians as snobs.

In Italy the typical middle class family in Milan would be appalled to have a son bring home a girl friend from any where in Italy south of Rome. At the same time, the Sicilians in particular are regarded as third class citizens at best.

It does not surprise me that in France and Germany in particular the viruses of xenophobia are now infecting the left wing’s vilification of George W. Bush in France and Germany in particular.

In that regard I was dismayed by an article titled "USA Oui! Bush Non!" in the pro Kerry Nation arguing that the European opposition to Bush is highly justified.

The article reports that French newspapers are filled with blistering criticism of the U.S. role in the world. Le Monde, for instance, pulled no punches when it recently termed Bush's Middle East policies "extraordinary, unjust and arrogant."

The article also reports that when Bush visited Berlin, the mayor announced that he would have to leave town, and tens of thousands of Germans participated in more than twenty-five large anti-U.S. demonstrations.

After attending a Paris concert by Bruce Springsteen (a prominent campaigner for Kerry) the author concluded, “You can't be anti-American if you love Bruce Springsteen... You can take issue with the policies of its unelected, unusually aggressive and unthinking Administration. But you can't be anti-American.”

It was also with dismay that I read an article of October 23, 2004 titled "Dumb Show" in The Guardian (my favorite left wing British magazine). The article concludes with:

“On November 2, the entire civilized world will be praying, praying Bush loses. And Sod's law dictates he'll probably win, thereby disproving the existence of God once and for all. The world will endure four more years of idiocy, arrogance and unwarranted bloodshed, with no benevolent deity to watch over and save us. John Wilkes Booth, Lee Harvey Oswald, John Hinckley Jr - -where are you now that we need you?”

As I see it, President Bush has become a whipping boy for atheist left wingers - both at home and abroad. They read into him some of the stereotypical qualities of the “Ugly American” - the villain in a best selling novel popularized by the left in the 1950’s to discredit the foreign policy of the Eisenhower administration.

Admittedly, Bush is God fearing and unabashedly patriotic. He has all of the appearances of “Jack Armstrong, the all-American boy who years ago advertised Wheaties as the “breakfast of champions” In his youth he was a cheerleader at athletic events. Today he is the world’s leading cheerleader for bringing freedom to totalitarian countries – some of which have been long exploited by Western Europe.

Consistent with the old adage that the character of a man is best judged by the nature of his enemies it is a credit to Bush that he is being vilified by the Democratic National Committee, and such publications as The Nation and The Guardian.

In my own case, even though I have been, and remain a life-long Democrat, I will vote for President Bush next Tuesday – and pray that he is re-elected.

Jerome Zeifman is a Democratic former Chief Counsel to the House Judiciary Committee and the author of “Without Honor: the Crimes of Camelot and the Impeachment of President Nixon.”

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/10/28/155712.shtml

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laff
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posted October 28, 2004 11:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ACK.... I can't stand Dems like that!

So, JWhop... really, no offense... are you of European descent? I am.

I think, to understand Europe, you have to understand the history of Europe. A lot of those "ethnic slurs" were carried back with us to America, and any of us can hear one American use them against another to this day.

For example, your article mentioned that Irish and Scots don't care for Brits. That's no surprise, given that there are people there who haven't forgotten their repeated, historic invasions of Scotland, Ireland and Wales. Try renting "Braveheart". Nor the fact that Brits are shamelessly contemptuous of Scot and Irish, they just returned the sentiment in kind. There are also Europeans who haven't forgotten Napoleon Bonaparte and his attacks on the civilized world, and how they still revere him in France like some kind of idiots.

Beyond the history of France, however, I say that not all who are opposed to Bush are atheists or think like the writers of Le Monde. If that is their conceit, they are entitled to think it, but not everyone should be lumped in a category with them by this "Dem," that is patently absurd.

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posted October 29, 2004 12:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The best evidence this is one very intelligent Democrat is that he's voting for George Bush.

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Mirandee
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posted October 29, 2004 12:43 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In every election, voters cross party lines. This is nothing new. There were Democrats for Richard Nixon and Republicans for George McGovern in 1972 - many of them split over the Vietnam War.

In this election it is the Iraq War causing many of the crossover voting for Democrats and also economical reasons. Reasons cited were that they trust Democrats to do more for the economy of this country.

Gen. John Eisenhower ( Dwight D.'s son) came out and said he is voting for Kerry.

Michigan Gov. William Milliken a Republican who served two terms as governor of this state wrote a letter to the Detroit Free Press stating he is voting for Kerry and why.

There is a site on the internet called Republicans for Kerry -
http://www.republicansforkerry.org/

Slate magazine did a poll of it's contributors and subscribers and reported it was Kerry by a landslide


So it isn't just Democrats whose "boats have sprung a leak" the Republicans need to get some pails too

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jwhop
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posted October 29, 2004 12:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmmm, you like polls do you Mirandee?

Here's one for you and this one is right up to date.
http://www.electionguide04.com/ams/clickThruRedirect.adp?55316469,43980567,http://electionguide04.com/straw_poll_october.adp

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Mirandee
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posted October 29, 2004 01:00 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not interested in polls, jwhop. Polls was not the point.

Point is that a lot of Republicans are crossing over to vote Democratic and that is nothing new. Happens in every election.

Polls don't mean anything. Just stated what slate magazine stated in an article. Not out to debate what poll says what. Don't care.

As for Zell Miller. Democrats will gladly trade Zell Miller for Gen. John Eisenhower. The General has more sense.

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jwhop
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posted October 29, 2004 01:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't blame you for not wanting to talk about polls....but then, why did you bring them up?

Well, of course, you were able to find one from a leftist source that says Kerry is going to be elected. Landslide...or mudslide?

It doesn't look that way to me Mirandee. Most of the polls show Bush with at least a 3 point lead....in spite of all Kerry's lies of the last 4 days. Sir Kerry, I dub thee, Chicken Little.

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LibraSparkle
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posted October 29, 2004 11:57 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No one's winning anything by a landslide... Not Kerry, OR BUSH. We can all dream though, can't we?

As far as these polls go, they're not taking the youth vote into account. Youths aren't being polled. Youths typically lean left. Youths haven't been soured and still hold on to their idealism.

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posted October 29, 2004 12:02 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To that, I would like to add:

Last Presidential election, I was in the youth demographic, not polled one time.

This time around, I'm not and have been polled 3 times. Although, they've called our house 4 times. Once hubby answered.

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jwhop
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posted October 29, 2004 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Funny LS, as one of the yuth contingent, I haven't been polled even once.

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